Was the Sabbath given to man at creation as a special day to worship God?

[Andre_b]

Set apart is the meaning of sanctify.

The Sabbath was set apart as a day of rest.

Specifically it was set apart as a day of rest for God, who did the work in Genesis, unless you attribute creation to man’s work?


As far as a religious day being more holy than any other day, the Sabbath does not have that meaning.

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it...
Romans 14:5-6



The weekly Sabbath is a shadow of the rest to come.


Do you understand this?


having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-1






JLB

None of those verse are talking about the Sabbath, lol. Not one word says SABBATH in your verses. The shadow of the sacrificial system was foreshadowing Christ, not the 10 commandments. Some people enjoy living in lawlessness. Satan does also.

Paul was talking to pagan Romans, how do you not know this. They were regarding useless days just like the ROMAN Catholic Church regards many useless made up holy days.

 

[Bob S]

I am struck by this Ex. verse you mentioned. Notice that the Blood of the Lamb was shed, and they were "brought out of sin" (Egypt) by the Christ Himself, before God gave them His definition of sin. I would ask you how this is any different than what God told Abraham or what Paul or Peter teaches about Salvation.

Gen. 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Rom. 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ (The Lamb of God) died for us.

There are many more Scriptures which support this teaching. Can you see how I just can't agree that the following Word's were only for men with a certain DNA?

Ex. 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine.

This was before Mt. Sinai. Did God promise Abraham the same thing? And Noah? How about Cain?

"If you do well, shall you not be accepted?"

No, I have heard this religious doctrine which teaches the Word of God which became Flesh only gave HIS Judgments, Commandments, Statutes, and Laws to Israel.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

As a brother I would warn to be careful of listening to other religious voices, especially in these evil times.

I am sorry you are "stuck". I see it clearly. Adam was special, Noah was special and Abraham was special. All of them were dead when the Israelites came on the scene to be His special people as God had promised Abraham.

I really appreciate your reply and the discussion. But do you really believe the nations of the world have been civil?

No they have not, Christianity of all forms included. I have to ask you again if this is a fight you want to pick? I believe you know what I meant and I do not understand why you are so negative.

What knowledge of right and wrong were instilled in the Nazi's at birth? Islam? The inquisition? Do you know that in 2015, 638,169 babies were aborted in America alone? In 2018 there were 101,151 reported cases of Rape in America. In 2018 there were 16,214 murders in America. In America in 2018 there were 5,217,055 reported cases of theft.

Yes, you can name what you did and many more, but within all those groups are those who are/were loving people who knew right from wrong and never saw a Bible or the ten commandments. You have not, in any way, proven your point.

Are you saying that the nations who have heard of the 10 Commandments are more civil than America?

??? come again.

Where is the evidence of the knowledge of right and wrong instilled at birth in this country?

Another fight not worth it.

I love you brother, but some of these things you are saying are not rooted in truth. I know you mean well, but I am afraid you are being tricked if you truly believe these things you say.

Thanks, love is a powerful instilled gift. Those who have never heard of the Holy Writ love their families.

Was Abraham Israel?

Why would you even ask such a question? Abraham's circumcision and the circumcision of Gentiles who wanted to convert and become part of Israel were for different reasons.

I have heard of the religious doctrine which teaches That the Word of God which became Flesh only gave HIS instruction to those men of a certain DNA. And I would be fine with that if it were not for the actual WORD's of this Same God.

So have I.

My friend, Paul believed all that is written in the Law and Prophets. Galatians did not make Void the entire Law and Prophets.

I am a bit confused with that one my friend. You tell us Paul believed all and then tell us that same Paul didn't void the entire Law and prophets. If he believed all why would he void any of it?

I do not mean to be argumentative or unjust here.

You may not have intended to be... That is not how I see it.

I simply want you to consider what the Scriptures actually say, and take heed of the religions of the land you were born into.

I may not be clear, but you certainly have not made me change what I glean from scripture.

thank you so much for the reply. This discussions are good for men to have in these evil times.

Good any time.

 

[Bob S]

The ten commandments consisted of nine commands that dealt with morality and one that dealt with ceremony. The two greatest commands were not even included on the stones.

 

[Andre_b]

The ten commandments consisted of nine commands that dealt with morality and one that dealt with ceremony. The two greatest commands were not even included on the stones.

It is Not just ceremonial, it tells you the true God you worship, the one you created everything in 7 DAYS. It commands you to obey him, just like you will have no other gods.

Why would God put one Sabbath in the 10 commandments then add another 70 afterwards instead of putting them all together? BECAUSE IT WAS SANCTIFIED FOR A REASON.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Hi everyone, I'd like to invite you over to the new thread that deals with the topic of the Ten Commandments as this is a new topic and separate to this thread which was mostly about creation until Moses. I think we've covered most of the arguments on this particular aspect of the Sabbath discussion. Now we seem to be naturally heading towards this other topic which I was planning to begin discussing anyway.

Thank you to everyone who is participating in this discussion, I appreciate all the time you put into posting.

You are awesome.

@pasifika @timothyu @LoveGodsWord @ewq1938 @Aussie Pete @Yeshua HaDerekh @Original Happy Camper @solid_core @Fullness of the Gentiles @JLB777 @Bob S @ralliann @Studyman @pescador @klutedavid @BobRyan @Andre_b @GodsGrace101

 

[GodsGrace101]

Hello, so who do you think instill this Natural law into man? Is it man itself or the creator of man?

God instills the Natural Law into man.
He is a moral God and made us in His image.

 

[GodsGrace101]

How about the two greatest commandments Not in the 10 but written in the book of the law?

Do you believe all the law and Prophets are written about Christ? Luke 24:27...And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was said in all the scriptures concerning Himself....
So is Not abolished But Fulfilled....don’t you think?

Fulfilled means that Jesus has completed what God demanded from us in the Law.

Abolished means that we no longer have to adhere to the Civil and Ceremonial Law.

I don't really understand why you're asking....
Are YOU keeping the civil and ceremonial laws?

 

[pasifika]

God instills the Natural Law into man.
He is a moral God and made us in His image.

Okay, so every man already had a law from God within them which made them know good and evil. Thanks

 

[JLB777]

The shadow of the sacrificial system was foreshadowing Christ, not the 10 commandments.

I agree.


The Sabbath foreshadows the rest to come, when Christ returns and gives us rest. Do you understand this?



JLB

 

[Bob S]

It is Not just ceremonial, it tells you the true God you worship, the one you created everything in 7 DAYS. It commands you to obey him, just like you will have no other gods.

Why would God put one Sabbath in the 10 commandments then add another 70 afterwards instead of putting them all together? BECAUSE IT WAS SANCTIFIED FOR A REASON.

Yes, the command was very informative for the Israelites. Today we not only have that history, we have the history of our Savior Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit living in us, and the Holy Writ. God lived among us as a human being, not as God did with Moses and the Israelites. We are invited to enter God's Rest something Israel never accomplished. We can do it today. We do not have to wait until Saturday. Jesus said to the weary come unto me and I will give you rest. Thank you Jesus I accept your invitation today and everyday. You created us and you have redeemed us from the pit of death. I believe in You and am happy to do your will.

Yes, as it is written in 2Cor 3:6-11 the ten commandments were temporary. Temporary because they were the words of the Sinai covenant that has been replaced with the new and better covenant. Israel failed to keep the ceremonial Sabbath and the other laws written on stones. They broke the covenant God gave them. Jesus ratified the new covenant at Calvary with His own blood ending the the covenant given at Sinai. No covenant, no laws of that covenant. We have new laws and you can read about them right below this. They are written in green.

 

[Studyman]

I am sorry you are "stuck". I see it clearly. Adam was special, Noah was special and Abraham was special. All of them were dead when the Israelites came on the scene to be His special people as God had promised Abraham.

I'm not here to fight, just to discuss what the Scriptures are teaching us.You are misrepresenting my post. I never said I was "stuck", I said I was struck by how the Exodus story mirrors exactly the Salvation plan the NT explains. You know this if you read the post. Normally it would anger a man to have someone either purposely, or accidentally omit words or letters of their posts in order to alter the meaning.

But I find this action a perfect opportunity and an example of the point I am trying to make on this forum. Look how taking one letter from one word in my reply allows you to twist and completely alter what I said. You took one letter from one word and omitted it, which distorted my entire post in front of the world. This is how easy it is to twist or distort a message.

I am nothing, a nobody, so you distorting my words is insignificant and i really don't care.. But this very thing happens to God's Word every minute of every day and has been happening since the serpent twisted God's Word to misrepresent Him to Eve. When Eve furthered satan's deception to Adam, she didn't do it for malicious reasons, she had just been deceived about what God said, and shared her deceit with others.

This is what I see happening all the time in the religions of the land.

You preach that God placed 613 Laws on the Israelite's. God didn't say this, and God didn't do this. But you heard "another voice" make the claim, became convinced, and furthered this deception onto others. Some of them, in turn, furthers it to their acquaintances and so on until an absolute falsehood, becomes a religious truth. Just like you did with me. If you would have been more interested in what God actually said, you would have checked on the "other voice" and you would find your claim about God placing 613 Laws on every man that HE delivered from Egypt is a myth, a falsehood, a deception.

It is truly a fascinating phenomenon.

So here is what the religion which promotes the 613 laws falsehood is implying about the God of the Bible. I'm paraphrasing to make the point I see.

That God chose the Children of Israel, heard their cry in Egypt, and promised to "deliver them" from their slavery and servitude if they would take the Blood of the Lamb of God and follow His Instructions regarding it. So Israel trusted God and followed HIS instruction regarding the Passover Lamb. He made the death angel pass over them, HE Parted the Red Sea, HE brought tests and trials to build their faith. He fed them in the wilderness, He guided them with pillars of fire.

But as soon as HE got them to Mt. Sinai, this same God placed 613 laws on them, Laws that were so grievous and so many in number that it was impossible for men to keep them. But God commanded that they keep them anyway, and when they didn't, HE slaughtered them by the thousands. They had once again become slaves to tyranny, according to the implication of many modern religions.

But according to the implications of these religious men, God continued HIS tyranny, and sent them Prophets who also told them to keep all 613 commandments, but the people stood up against God and killed the Prophets for trying to make them follow Laws which were impossible for them to follow, which, according to religious men, was by design.

So God's Son had to step in and take matters in HIS own hands. He came to save these "Slaves" who God saved from Egypt only to "burden" them with a Yoke of Laws and turned them back into Slaves against their own will. These men, according to many religious men today, were born "civil" and were fine with the knowledge of good and evil instilled on them from birth. They were just innocent victims of an unjust God with 613 laws, that were impossible to follow, placed on their necks. The Jesus they now follow, saved them from HIS Father and HIS Fathers 613 unjust, impossible to follow Laws, and "Freed them" from this God of the Bible. So in this religion, men are no longer slaves to this God and HIS 613 Burdensome, unjust Laws. They are free to create their own religion now.

Of course This is not the God of the Bible, God did not place 613 separate Laws on every man that HE brought out of Egypt, and I did not say I was "stuck" on Ex. 19.

But just because these are all falsehoods, doesn't stop religious men from being convinced they are true and teaching them to others.

I am not here to fight, but to expose the "winds of Doctrine" that are taught in the religions of the land I was born into. Some folks will engage, some with become angry. But I believe these discussions are still good to have among men.

 

[Studyman]

I agree.

The Sabbath foreshadows the rest to come, when Christ returns and gives us rest. Do you understand this?

JLB

It might be good to consider that before the SEED came, before the Lamb of God was slain, they were to follow Levitical Priesthood ceremonies and Sacrifices which foreshadowed His First Coming.

In the same way, the Sabbath foreshadows HIS Second coming, which has yet to happen. There are those who believe we are to Remember to Keep this Day Holy until HIS Second return, just as men, who are called by HIS Name, were to partake of the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" until the Seed came the first time.

This is why, in my view, there was such a disconnect between the Mainstream Preachers of Jesus' time, who had created their own sabbath, and Jesus who was honoring God's Sabbath commandment as intended.

This is also why, in my view, that Jesus forgave sins without even sprinkling a drop of animal blood on the alter, according to the Laws of Atonement, but continued to observe and honor God's Sabbath until HE was killed. One shadow was fulfilled, another shadow is yet to be fulfilled.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I'm not here to fight, just to discuss what the Scriptures are teaching us.You are misrepresenting my post. I never said I was "stuck", I said I was struck by how the Exodus story mirrors exactly the Salvation plan the NT explains. You know this if you read the post. Normally it would anger a man to have someone either purposely, or accidentally omit words or letters of their posts in order to alter the meaning.

But I find this action a perfect opportunity and an example of the point I am trying to make on this forum. Look how taking one letter from one word in my reply allows you to twist and completely alter what I said. You took one letter from one word and omitted it, which distorted my entire post in front of the world. This is how easy it is to twist or distort a message.

I am nothing, a nobody, so you distorting my words is insignificant and i really don't care.. But this very thing happens to God's Word every minute of every day and has been happening since the serpent twisted God's Word to misrepresent Him to Eve. When Eve furthered satan's deception to Adam, she didn't do it for malicious reasons, she had just been deceived about what God said, and shared her deceit with others.

This is what I see happening all the time in the religions of the land.

You preach that God placed 613 Laws on the Israelite's. God didn't say this, and God didn't do this. But you heard "another voice" make the claim, became convinced, and furthered this deception onto others. Some of them, in turn, furthers it to their acquaintances and so on until an absolute falsehood, becomes a religious truth. Just like you did with me. If you would have been more interested in what God actually said, you would have checked on the "other voice" and you would find your claim about God placing 613 Laws on every man that HE delivered from Egypt is a myth, a falsehood, a deception.

It is truly a fascinating phenomenon.

So here is what the religion which promotes the 613 laws falsehood is implying about the God of the Bible. I'm paraphrasing to make the point I see.

That God chose the Children of Israel, heard their cry in Egypt, and promised to "deliver them" from their slavery and servitude if they would take the Blood of the Lamb of God and follow His Instructions regarding it. So Israel trusted God and followed HIS instruction regarding the Passover Lamb. He made the death angel pass over them, HE Parted the Red Sea, HE brought tests and trials to build their faith. He fed them in the wilderness, He guided them with pillars of fire.

But as soon as HE got them to Mt. Sinai, this same God placed 613 laws on them, Laws that were so grievous and so many in number that it was impossible for men to keep them. But God commanded that they keep them anyway, and when they didn't, HE slaughtered them by the thousands. They had once again become slaves to tyranny, according to the implication of many modern religions.

But according to the implications of these religious men, God continued HIS tyranny, and sent them Prophets who also told them to keep all 613 commandments, but the people stood up against God and killed the Prophets for trying to make them follow Laws which were impossible for them to follow, which, according to religious men, was by design.

So God's Son had to step in and take matters in HIS own hands. He came to save these "Slaves" who God saved from Egypt only to "burden" them with a Yoke of Laws and turned them back into Slaves against their own will. These men, according to many religious men today, were born "civil" and were fine with the knowledge of good and evil instilled on them from birth. They were just innocent victims of an unjust God with 613 laws, that were impossible to follow, placed on their necks. The Jesus they now follow, saved them from HIS Father and HIS Fathers 613 unjust, impossible to follow Laws, and "Freed them" from this God of the Bible. So in this religion, men are no longer slaves to this God and HIS 613 Burdensome, unjust Laws. They are free to create their own religion now.

Of course This is not the God of the Bible, God did not place 613 separate Laws on every man that HE brought out of Egypt, and I did not say I was "stuck" on Ex. 19.

But just because these are all falsehoods, doesn't stop religious men from being convinced they are true and teaching them to others.

I am not here to fight, but to expose the "winds of Doctrine" that are taught in the religions of the land I was born into. Some folks will engage, some with become angry. But I believe these discussions are still good to have among men.

EXCELLENT!

 

[Bob S]

I'm not here to fight, just to discuss what the Scriptures are teaching us.

Great, then stop picking at nits.

You are misrepresenting my post. I never said I was "stuck", I said I was struck by how the Exodus story mirrors exactly the Salvation plan the NT explains.

I apologize for misreading your sentence. Tell us how it exactly mirrors the plan of salvation.

You know this if you read the post. Normally it would anger a man to have someone either purposely, or accidentally omit words or letters of their posts in order to alter the meaning.

Do you anger normally easily especially when it was a mistake and you would have to consider if I did it on purpose for some reason? Seems like that is more nitpicking.

But I find this action a perfect opportunity and an example of the point I am trying to make on this forum. Look how taking one letter from one word in my reply allows you to twist and completely alter what I said. You took one letter from one word and omitted it, which distorted my entire post in front of the world. This is how easy it is to twist or distort a message.

This is true and is not my modus vivendi. Should I beat myself 12 times with a wet noodle for my grievous mistake?

I am nothing, a nobody, so you distorting my words is insignificant and i really don't care.. But this very thing happens to God's Word every minute of every day and has been happening since the serpent twisted God's Word to misrepresent Him to Eve. When Eve furthered satan's deception to Adam, she didn't do it for malicious reasons, she had just been deceived about what God said, and shared her deceit with others.

Will you ever give up on a simple mistake? OY!

This is what I see happening all the time in the religions of the land.

I applaud you for your supposed insight.

You preach that God placed 613 Laws on the Israelite's.

First of all I am not a preacher, secondly not all of the 613 laws that God gave to Israel pertained to all Israelites.

God didn't say this, and God didn't do this. But you heard "another voice" make the claim, became convinced, and furthered this deception onto others.

Right, I have taken the word of those who have counted all the laws in the Torah. If you have other evidence that it is a different number then by all means share it with us. Pray tell us what God did if He didn't dictate the Torah to Moses. What was in the book of the Law?

Some of them, in turn, furthers it to their acquaintances and so on until an absolute falsehood, becomes a religious truth. Just like you did with me.

You just cannot get over it. Too bad.

If you would have been more interested in what God actually said, you would have checked on the "other voice" and you would find your claim about God placing 613 Laws on every man that HE delivered from Egypt is a myth, a falsehood, a deception.

Hey Studyman, you just gave me down the road and made a huge issue for the terrible thing I did to your statement. Now I have a gotch you. This is what I wrote concerning the 613 laws given to Israel. "All 613 rules God gave Israel were there to govern a bunch of former slaves." In the paragraph above this is how you interpreted what I wrote; "....God placing 613 Laws on every man that HE delivered from Egypt is a myth, a falsehood, a deception." All I have to say Studyman is be careful when you get so high and mighty. None of us are perfect even you.

It is truly a fascinating phenomenon.

So here is what the religion which promotes the 613 laws falsehood is implying about the God of the Bible. I'm paraphrasing to make the point I see.

That God chose the Children of Israel, heard their cry in Egypt, and promised to "deliver them" from their slavery and servitude if they would take the Blood of the Lamb of God and follow His Instructions regarding it. So Israel trusted God and followed HIS instruction regarding the Passover Lamb. He made the death angel pass over them, HE Parted the Red Sea, HE brought tests and trials to build their faith. He fed them in the wilderness, He guided them with pillars of fire.

But as soon as HE got them to Mt. Sinai, this same God placed 613 laws on them, Laws that were so grievous and so many in number that it was impossible for men to keep them. But God commanded that they keep them anyway, and when they didn't, HE slaughtered them by the thousands. They had once again become slaves to tyranny, according to the implication of many modern religions.

But according to the implications of these religious men, God continued HIS tyranny, and sent them Prophets who also told them to keep all 613 commandments, but the people stood up against God and killed the Prophets for trying to make them follow Laws which were impossible for them to follow, which, according to religious men, was by design.

So God's Son had to step in and take matters in HIS own hands. He came to save these "Slaves" who God saved from Egypt only to "burden" them with a Yoke of Laws and turned them back into Slaves against their own will. These men, according to many religious men today, were born "civil" and were fine with the knowledge of good and evil instilled on them from birth. They were just innocent victims of an unjust God with 613 laws, that were impossible to follow, placed on their necks. The Jesus they now follow, saved them from HIS Father and HIS Fathers 613 unjust, impossible to follow Laws, and "Freed them" from this God of the Bible. So in this religion, men are no longer slaves to this God and HIS 613 Burdensome, unjust Laws. They are free to create their own religion now.

If that is what you believe is the current belief of Christians I am sorry I cannot help you. I know it isn't true what you think, but all I can do is pray that you learn differently.

Of course This is not the God of the Bible, God did not place 613 separate Laws on every man that HE brought out of Egypt, and I did not say I was "stuck" on Ex. 19.

Maybe since you found out you are not perfect you will put my mistake to rest.

But just because these are all falsehoods, doesn't stop religious men from being convinced they are true and teaching them to others.

Please tell me who the religious men are that teach such stuff.

I am not here to fight, but to expose the "winds of Doctrine" that are taught in the religions of the land I was born into. Some folks will engage, some with become angry. But I believe these discussions are still good to have among men.

Good luck in your crusade, but make good and sure of what you are exposing is not the real truth.

 

[Bob S]

EXCELLENT!

Before you give accolades it might interest you to read my reply.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Before you give accolades it might interest you to read my reply.

Well I gave accolades before you posted your reply. Now that I have read your reply, nothing in it has changed my mind...

 

[Studyman]

I apologize for misreading your sentence. Tell us how it exactly mirrors the plan of salvation.

Thank you kind sir for another opportunity to share. My post was meant, not to point out your small mistake, as I said, I don't care about that, but to make a broader point. You simply presented me with a perfect example of how one man's mistaken interpretation can completely alter any message. Repeated over and over, this mistake can morph into message so far off track, that the true intent of the message is completely lost. This is one reason, in my opinion, the Pharisees religion was so far removed from the actual teaching of the God of the Bible. And when Jesus showed up and told them the truth about the scriptures, it was so foreign to them and their religion, that they just couldn't accept God's Truth. Most chose their ancient religious doctrines and traditions instead of following the instructions of Jesus to "Live by" Every Word of God. And partly because God used them to teach us the consequences for rejecting His "way" and creating our own.

I appreciate the apology, that was nice of you, but not needed as far as I am concerned because of the opportunity it gave to make my point. I am actually thankful for this opportunity.

As far as the Exodus showing the Salvation plan of God, I will give you the short version.

The Children of Israel were slaves to Egypt, which, in my understanding, symbolizes SIN. They cried out because of this servitude and God heard them. Were they still in Egypt/sin when God heard them? Yes, while they were yet sinners, God heard them. God prepared a saving sacrifice for them, the Blood of the Unblemished Lamb, gave them instructions on what to do with this Blood, and those who followed the instruction were to be delivered from Egypt/Sin. Were they still sinners when God gave them this Blood? Yes, He gave them HIS Blood while they were yet sinners.

Were they all set then, after they took the Blood of the Lamb and followed God's instruction regarding it? NO!! That was only the beginning of their journey. The very first thing that happened after the Blood was given, was their departure from Egypt/Sin. Did they all just leave on their own direction? NO. They were to Follow the
Prophet God sent them. There was no other way. And on their journey what did God give them? Did HE give them anything they wanted, were they to design their own "way" or lifestyle? Or were they to listen to the Word's of God given to the Prophet HE sent them? No! They were to listen and do what God instructed them to do, in order to make it to the promised land.

Did these men believe this God? Some did, but many were overthrown in the wilderness even after the Blood of the Lamb was shed for them because they refused to deny themselves and believe God's instructions.

Why did this happen to them?

Well Paul, a Prophet sent by God Himself, said the following.

1 Cor. 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Anyway, there is much more to be said, but this is a good starting point for anyone who wishes to engage.

Once again, thanks for the opportunity to share with you.

In HIS Love

SM.

 

[JLB777]

It might be good to consider that before the SEED came, before the Lamb of God was slain, they were to follow Levitical Priesthood ceremonies and Sacrifices which foreshadowed His First Coming.

Yes. And now that the Levitical priesthood is no longer in authority the law of Moses has been abolished and taken out of the way.

Not the commandments, but the law of Moses that required the people of God to observe the Sabbath under the strict guidelines of the Levitical priesthood.


For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12




JLB

 

[Studyman]

Yes. And now that the Levitical priesthood is no longer in authority the law of Moses has been abolished and taken out of the way.

That is a popular teaching of the religions of the land. And it is true that Jesus is now our High Priest, the Levitical Priesthood has become obsolete. But there is no Biblical Evidence that God abolished HIS judgments and definition of sin.

If you have some Biblical evidence that God abolished His Judgments and DEfinition of sin, please show me.

Not the commandments, but the law of Moses that required the people of God to observe the Sabbath under the strict guidelines of the Levitical priesthood.

God gave the Priesthood Duties of administering God's Laws, and atoning for the sins of the people, to the Levites. But they corrupted God"s Covenant with them, and placed burdens on the necks of the people. They taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men, not God as many preach. The Sabbath was given to Israel before the Priesthood was given to Aaron. The 10 Commandments had nothing to do with the Levitical Priesthood whose job it was to give the People God's Commandments, and Atone for them when they Transgressed HIS Commandments.

If you were to let the Creator of the New Covenant define HIS New Covenant for you, you would find that 2 things changed from the old to the new Covenant.

#1. How God's Laws are administered. In the Old Covenant, you could only hear the Word's of God through Levite Priests. God promised a time when this is no longer the case. He will write His Laws on the hearts of HIS people, not abolish them as other voices teach. No more Levite Priests to "receive His Law" from.

#2. How transgressions of God's Laws are atoned for. In the Old Covenant if a man sinned, he was to take a sacrifice and bring it to a Levite Priest who would them perform Levitical Priesthood "works or deeds of the Law" for forgiveness of sins. But God promised of a time when this was no longer the case. A time "After those days" when HE would atone for our sins HIMSELF, no longer requiring Priesthood "Works of the law" for justification.

For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12

Yes, this is the New Covenant. A New Priesthood, a New and better way.


Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

What Law was the people to receive from the Levite Priests? The Levitical Priesthood Law? No, this LAW was exclusively for the Levite. In fact, if any "stranger" attempted to perform any of the Priesthood "works of the Law" for atonement, or even attempted to touch the "Book of the Law" they were struck dead immediately.

No, the people received God's Definition of sin and HIS Judgments from the Levite Priests.

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

According to the Priesthood Law, only a Levite could become a Priest. But Jesus wasn't a Levite, rather, He was from the Tribe of Judah. Jesus couldn't just become the High Priest by Law. This is why it was made of necessity a "change of the Priesthood Law" to make it "lawful" for a man other than a Levite, to become a Priest of the Most High. As the Author defines below.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

There is no evidence that God's Holy Sabbath was part of the Priesthood duties. No Biblical evidence anyway. Jesus pointed out, and lawfully so, that Levites were not under the same instruction as the rest of Israel. God separated Levi unto Himself. The Levitical Priesthood was separate from the Laws God gave Moses for the people.

"Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?"

It was the Priest's duties to work on God's Sabbath so the people could "receive the Law". God's Law came before the Levitical Priesthood was "ADDED" to it.

As Paul said;

Gal. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Added to what? Transgressions of what?

It was the Levitical Priesthood after the order of Aaron that became obsolete, not God's Good, Just, and Holy Laws this Priesthood was "ADDED" to.

Jesus lived this truth in that HE forgave Sins without following any of the Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" given by God to the Levite for the atonement/forgiveness of sins. He was already their High Priest.

HE didn't practice or promote any Priesthood ceremonial "Works of the Law" for the forgiveness of sins. But HE still promoted God's Holy Sabbath which HE said was made for man.

 

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That is a popular teaching of the religions of the land. And it is true that Jesus is now our High Priest, the Levitical Priesthood has become obsolete. But there is no Biblical Evidence that God abolished HIS judgments and definition of sin.

Who said God abolished His definition of sin?


Do you believe a person must become physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses, to be saved?



JLB