Does sinful man deserve God’s justice?

[fhansen]

You say that no part of creation deserves anything. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. Do we deserve our wages?

Like I said, God will deal justly with all, for better or worse. Strictly speaking creation deserves nothing from God, good or bad, but since God is a God of justice He metes out justice based on our choices and resulting actions. Sin deserves death, understanding that sin is only sinful to the extent that one could do otherwise. IOW, if man were created in such a way that he couldn't avoid sin, the committing of morally wrong actions, then he wouldn't be responsible for those actions; he'd be like a child or beast; the concept of sin would have no real meaning for and application to him. God would be the guilty party in that case and man would certainly not deserve to experience eternal torment.

 

[Hammster]

Of course it is relavant to the OP. Your question is in relation to justice, sin and mankind. Or are we talking about something different here? That is why I asked you...

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

This is relevant to God's justice.

You obviously think that those in unrepentant sin aren’t saved and deserve justice. I believe the gospel and think that those who are born again receive grace because the justice of God was dealt to His Son on behalf of those who are born again.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You obviously think that those in unrepentant sin aren’t saved and deserve justice. I believe the gospel and think that those who are born again receive grace because the justice of God was dealt to His Son on behalf of those who are born again.

Not necessarily I stated or said no such thing. Did you read the first post I sent you? I also asked you for your view on if you think that someone who continues in known unrepentant sin are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God. All relavent to God's justice.

 

[Hammster]

Like I said, God will deal justly with all, for better or worse. Strictly speaking creation deserves nothing from God, good or bad, but since God is a God of justice He metes out justice based on our choices and resulting actions. Sin deserves death, understanding that sin is only sinful to the extent that one could do otherwise. IOW, if man were created in such a way that he couldn't avoid sin, the committing of morally wrong actions, then he wouldn't be responsible for those actions; he'd be like a child or beast; the concept of sin would have no real meaning for and application to him. God would be the guilty party in that case and man would certainly not deserve to experience eternal torment.

Okay.

 

[Hammster]

Not necessarily I stated or said no such thing. I asked you for your view.

I gave you my view.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I gave you my view.

No you simply avoided answering the question asked of you and did not answer it. If you do not wish to answer the question asked of you just say so. I understand why you would not wish to answer it. Don't try and say that my question is not relevant to the OP when it is clearly related to sin and God's justice which is in reference to the OP however. That is simply not true. I do not know why you expect everyone to answer your questions but you will not answer questions from other. It is a discussion board after all and it is your OP that is being discussed.

 

[Hammster]

No you simply avoided answering the question asked of you and did not answer it.

I believe the gospel and think that those who are born again receive grace because the justice of God was dealt to His Son on behalf of those who are born again.

I answered.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I answered.

No you didn't answer the question asked of you was...

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

How does your reply answer the question above?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts...

 

[Hammster]

No you didn't answer the question asked of you was...

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

How does your reply answer the question above?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts...

I believe the gospel and think that those who are born again receive grace because the justice of God was dealt to His Son on behalf of those who are born again

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I believe the gospel and think that those who are born again receive grace because the justice of God was dealt to His Son on behalf of those who are born again

You avoided answering the question again. If you do not wish to answer it just say so. No point in wasting each others time. How does your response here answer the questions asked of you which was..

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

 

[Hammster]

You avoided answering the question again. If you do not wish to answer it just say so. No point in wasting each others time. How does your response here answer the questions asked of you which was..

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

Saved because I believe the gospel and think that those who are born again receive grace because the justice of God was dealt to His Sonon behalf of those who are born again

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Saved because I believe the gospel and think that those who are born again receive grace because the justice of God was dealt to His Sonon behalf of those who are born again

Here let me help you answer the question asked of you which was...

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

How do you think these scriptures below answer the question above....?

HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12

Now are those who continue in known unrepentant sin in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God? YES/NO?

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Hammster]

Here let me help you answer the question asked of you which was...

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

How do you think these scriptures below answer the question above....?

HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12

Now are those who continue in known unrepentant sin in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God? YES/NO?

Thanks for sharing.

Yes, because I believe the gospel and think that those who are born again receive grace because the justice of God was dealt to His Sonon behalf of those who are born again

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, because I believe the gospel and think that those who are born again receive grace because the justice of God was dealt to His Sonon behalf of those who are born again

Ok if you do not wish to answer the question just say so. No need pretending that you have. The scriptures provided answer the question for you. You did not read them did you.

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Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

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The answer is provided in the scriptures provided below for those interested and is why the OP will not answer the question asked.

HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12

Blessings to all.

 

[Hammster]

Ok if you do not wish to answer the question just say so. No need pretending that you have. The scriptures provided answer the question for you. You did not read them did you.

I’ve given the answer. I believe the gospel. I cannot get much clearer.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I’ve given the answer. I believe the gospel. I cannot get much clearer.

No. No you didn't answer the question asked of you. You simply avoided answering it. Anyhow you do not have to answer the question if you do not wish to. The scriptures provided to you already answer the question for you. No one enters the kingdom of God while continuing in known unrepentant sin because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. If sin is the transgression of God's LAW *1 JOHN 3:4 and ALL those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven; *HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12 How do you think JAMES 2:10-11 relates to God's JUSTICE?

 

[dqhall]

Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?

At age 59 I have lived long enough to have seen one man was saved from a life of reckless ignorant living by turning to Jesus and another man continued in sin to die young. God did not kill the one who lived an unhealthy lifestyle, he was brought down by the errors of his ways. Many prayed for salvation, not all were saved.

I used to read the Gospels over and over. I also read Acts, the Epistles and other books inside and outside the Bible.

When I was 57 I suffered kidney stones, high blood pressure and an enlarged prostate. I had severe lower urinary tract pain and there was blood in my urine. I prayed for healing as I feared I might die. Bladder stone surgery relieved the pain and stopped the bleeding. Three days before the bladder stone operation my God directed me to a doctor's book about plant based nutrition. I immediately began to change my diet. Within days I began to lose weight and lowered my blood pressure. My kidney stone incidents were greatly reduced. Within months I tweaked my diet. I have not seen kidney stones in the toilet bowl since. Within a year my urologist reported my PSA levels had done down. I stopped taking medications for an enlarged prostate. I praised God for showing me a new path of research that brought healing to my sick body.

 

[Hammster]

No. No you didn't anyhow you do not have to answer the question if you do not wish to. The scriptures provided to you already answer the question you would not. No one enters the kingdom of God while continuing in known unrepentant sin because they reject the gift of God's dear son.

If sin is the transgression of God's LAW *1 JOHN 3:4 and ALL those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven; *HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12
How do you think JAMES 2:10-11 relates to God's JUSTICE?

I’m sorry that you don’t understand the gospel. I’m sorry that you don’t understand grace. I’m sorry that you don’t understand that scripture says we are declared righteous by faith. I can preach it, but I cannot make you believe it.

 

[Hammster]

At age 59 I have lived long enough to have seen one man was saved from a life of reckless ignorant living by turning to Jesus and another man continued in sin to die young. God did not kill the one who lived an unhealthy lifestyle, he was brought down by the errors of his ways. Many prayed for salvation, not all were saved.

I used to read the Gospels over and over. I also read Acts, the Epistles and other books inside and outside the Bible.

When I was 57 I suffered kidney stones, high blood pressure and an enlarged prostate. I had severe lower urinary tract pain and there was blood in my urine. I prayed for healing as I feared I might die. Bladder stone surgery relieved the pain and stopped the bleeding. Three days before the bladder stone operation my God directed me to a doctor's book about plant based nutrition. I immediately began to change my diet. Within days I began to lose weight and lowered my blood pressure. My kidney stone incidents were greatly reduced. Within months I tweaked my diet. I have not seen kidney stones in the toilet bowl since. Within a year my urologist reported my PSA levels had done down. I stopped taking medications for an enlarged prostate. I praised God for showing me a new path of research that brought healing to my sick body.

I have absolutely no idea how any of that relates to the OP.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I’m sorry that you don’t understand the gospel. I’m sorry that you don’t understand grace. I’m sorry that you don’t understand that scripture says we are declared righteous by faith. I can preach it, but I cannot make you believe it.

Well that statement has no truth in it whatsoever. I completely reject your post and your claims which are sadly false and will leave that between you and God. Why are you now making unfounded statements you cannot prove with scripture because you are unable to answer a question asked of you? Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4 and you have provided none.