Does sinful man deserve God’s justice?

[LostMarbels]

Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?

Yes. God is just in all that He does. Including holding me accountable for my sin. I would be deserving to justly face condemnation, even hell itself.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?

Of course sinful man deserves justice. The wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. Sin is the transgression of God's LAW and through the LAW we have the knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. All those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter the kingdom of heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son.

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

Thanks

 

[Calvin_1985]

You haven’t.

I'm not going to.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?

Not at all. None of us deserve the justice which we have received by the kindness and love of God in Jesus Christ. As sinners we all stand condemned by the Law, and yet it is God in His kindness who lovingly, graciously, and generously meets us in Christ to save us. Demonstrating His justice by justifying the unjust.

We are owed nothing. But God who is gracious reveals His justice to us by the Gospel, that we might be freely justified by His grace.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Is that justice?

No. Justice, that is rightness, righteousness, etc; is that which is right and good; and the setting of things right.

The second death is not justice, but deprivation of justice. It is the result of man's inborn hostility to God and willful rejection of the good God and what He has willed and desired for all His creatures. Hell is not justice, hell is the absence of justice, the absence of the full measure of God's setting all things aright by His wonderful mercy in Christ and what Christ has done for the whole world.

-CryptoLtheran

 

[Hammster]

Jesus sort of grabbed my attention with this post.

The answer I had thought up was that "in Ezekial (18ish) it is set out that if a son does good, he will be rewarded, if a son does not do good he will be punished".

In other words, all men deserve something, but it depends on their conduct.

True. And in Romans 10, Paul explains our conduct.

 

[Hammster]

Not at all. None of us deserve the justice which we have received by the kindness and love of God in Jesus Christ. As sinners we all stand condemned by the Law, and yet it is God in His kindness who lovingly, graciously, and generously meets us in Christ to save us. Demonstrating His justice by justifying the unjust.

We are owed nothing. But God who is gracious reveals His justice to us by the Gospel, that we might be freely justified by His grace.

-CryptoLutheran

What is the just punishment for a sinner?

 

[Hammster]

I'm not going to.

Okie dokie

 

[Hammster]

Of course sinful man deserves justice. The wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. Sin is the transgression of God's LAW and through the LAW we have the knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. All those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter the kingdom of heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son.

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

Thanks

Then you must, by your own definition, think that those who worship on Sundays are not in a saved state.

 

[ViaCrucis]

What is the just punishment for a sinner?

The wages of sin is death. I deserve every ounce of misery which I invite upon myself by my miserable behavior; my sin incurs every harsh judgment of the Law so that, in the end, I should be found to be the miserable wretch that I know myself to be by the Law.

It is not God's will, however, that I find myself dead and in deepest darkest hell, but that I have life with Him by His Son. And so thanks be to God.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Hammster]

The wages of sin is death. I deserve every ounce of misery which I invite upon myself by my miserable behavior; my sin incurs every harsh judgment of the Law so that, in the end, I should be found to be the miserable wretch that I know myself to be by the Law.

It is not God's will, however, that I find myself dead and in deepest darkest hell, but that I have life with Him by His Son. And so thanks be to God.

-CryptoLutheran

So what we deserve is justice. What we receive, as believers, is mercy.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Of course sinful man deserves justice. The wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. Sin is the transgression of God's LAW and through the LAW we have the knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. All those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter the kingdom of heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son.

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

Your reply...

Then you must, by your own definition, think that those who worship on Sundays are not in a saved state.

Not really. God's Word teaches about known sin and unknown sin. We are not held accountable to sin until we know it is sin then choose to reject God's Word in order to continue in sin *ACTS 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17.

Sin is defined in God's Word as the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments and unbelief) *1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 14:23.

The problem you have is that none of what you are responding to is my definition of what sin is it is God's Word that defines what sin is not me, I only provided the scriptures that define sin. These are God's Word not mine *1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 3:20. That leaves you with a big problem.

Your avoiding answering the question asked of you is noted. Did you wish to have another go?

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts...

 

[fhansen]

Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?

No part of creation deserves anything from God. But, since God is just, He'll deal justly with all.

As for moral culpability, a just God would only hold man accountable for what he can choose to do, or not do. If he has no ability to avoid sin then he wouldn't be accountable for that sin as he's not free to refrain from it.

 

[Hammster]

Your reply...


Not really. God's Word teaches about known sin and unknown sin. We are not held accountable to sin until we know it is sin *ACTS 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17.

Sin is defined in God's Word as the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments and unbelief) *1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 14:23.

The problem you have is that none of what you are responding to is my definition of what sin is it is God's Word that defines what sin is not me, I only provided the scriptures that define sin. These are God's Word not mine *1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 3:20. That leaves you with a big problem.

Your avoiding answering the question asked of you is noted. Did you wish to have another go?

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts...

I don’t want to derail my own thread. The bottom line is that you believe that we, as sinners, are deserving of God’s justice, correct?

 

[Hammster]

No part of creation deserves anything from God. But, since God is just, He'll deal justly with all.

As for moral culpability, a just God would only hold man accountable for what he can choose to do, or not do. If he has no ability to avoid sin then he wouldn't be accountable for that sin as he's not free to refrain from it.

You say that no part of creation deserves anything. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. Do we deserve our wages?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I don’t want to derail my own thread. The bottom line is that you believe that we, as sinners, are deserving of God’s justice, correct?

Not really the bottom line is that you do not wish to answer the question asked of you because it disagrees with what you believe. What I have asked you is only relevant to the question your asking in the OP so trying to say it is not relevant to the OP is not really an answer not to answer the question asked of you is it? I already answered your question in the first post to you, what do you think that post means?

 

[Hammster]

Not really the bottom line is that you do not wish to answer the question asked of you because it disagrees with what you believe. I already answered your question in the first post to you, what do you think that post means?

Again, I don’t want to derail this thread. You said man deserves justice. We will leave it at that.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Again, I don’t want to derail this thread. You said man deserves justice. We will leave it at that.

Again how is it derailing the OP when it is directly relevant to the OP? No I did not state man deservse justice. What do you think my first post to you means?

 

[Hammster]

Again how is it derailing the OP when it is directly relevant to the OP?

It’s not relevant. Whatever you think is sin, it’s deserving of God’s judgment and justice.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It’s not relevant. Whatever you think is sin, it’s deserving of God’s judgment and justice.

Of course it is relavant to the OP. Your question is in relation to justice, sin and mankind. Or are we talking about something different here? That is why I asked you...

Do you think that all those who continue in known unrepentant sin (unbelief in God's Word and breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) are in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?

This is relevant to God's justice and the wages of sin to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

I can understand why you do not want to answer the question.