Does sinful man deserve God’s justice?

[Hammster]

Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?

This is all I'll say on this.

God, being omniscient, created Adam and Eve.
He put them in the garden.
He knew Adam was going to eat that fruit.
So why did He put them there?
Should He punish everyone because the first man did what God knew he was going to do?

Unless he gave man a way out....
a way to redeem himself....
YES, it would make God a sadist if He punished us for doing something He knew we would do UNLESS He offered us a solution.

Redemption by Jesus Christ.

 

[eleos1954]

Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?

Yes we deserve it.

Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

However, the saved will be covered by the blood of Jesus. Amen.

Romans 6:23 (King James Version): For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen

 

[Hammster]

This is all I'll say on this.

God, being omniscient, created Adam and Eve.
He put them in the garden.
He knew Adam was going to eat that fruit.
So why did He put them there?
Should He punish everyone because the first man did what God knew he was going to do?

Unless he gave man a way out....
a way to redeem himself....
YES, it would make God a sadist if He punished us for doing something He knew we would do UNLESS He offered us a solution.

Redemption by Jesus Christ.

Could you actually answer the question in the OP? There’s no need to take this off topic with the first post.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Could you actually answer the question in the OP? There’s no need to take this off topic with the first post.

Sure.
NO.
We do not.

 

[Hammster]

Sure.
NO.
We do not.

What does sinful man deserve then? Scripture, as stated above, says that the wages of sin is death. You disagree. Why?

 

[Lazarus Short]

The wages of sin are death. Yes, we deserve that. However, God loved us enough to send His Own Son to die for our benefit, and make resurrection + eternal life possible.

 

[GodsGrace101]

What does sinful man deserve then? Scripture, as stated above, says that the wages of sin is death. You disagree. Why?

See post no. 2

 

[Hammster]

The wages of sin are death. Yes, we deserve that. However, God loved us enough to send His Own Son to die for our benefit, and make resurrection + eternal life possible.

But you’ll agree that those who don’t believe deserve God’s justice, correct?

 

[Hammster]

See post no. 2

That doesn’t answer the question.

Thanks anyway.

 

[GodsGrace101]

That doesn’t answer the question.

Thanks anyway.

You don't like my reply?
It's still my reply.

For God to be a just God, knowing we would fail,
He'd HAVE TO give us a way out.

Otherwise He's NOT a just God..
or a loving God...
or a merciful God...

Why does that not answer the question?
Maybe it's just not the answer you like.

But it's the truth, nonetheless.

 

[Halbhh]

Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?

One of the surprising moments (of so many) when reading 1rst John is how the word "just" is used in chapter 1, where we would not guess it would be the word (or I didn't) --

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
1 John 1 NIV

-- The place "just" made me look twice
(though now I'm familiar with it there).

 

[Hammster]

You don't like my reply?
It's still my reply.

For God to be a just God, knowing we would fail,
He'd HAVE TO give us a way out.

Otherwise He's NOT a just God..
or a loving God...
or a merciful God...

Why does that not answer the question?
Maybe it's just not the answer you like.

But it's the truth, nonetheless.

Is it unjust, then, that the wages of sin is death?

 

[Hammster]

One of the surprising moments (of so many) when reading 1rst John is how the word "just" is used in chapter 1, where we would not guess it would be the word (or I didn't) --

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
1 John 1 NIV

-- The place "just" made me look twice
(though now I'm familiar with it there).

Okay. Can you answer the question in the OP?

 

[Lulav]

Simple straightforward question. Does sinful man (all of us) deserve the justice of God?

Deserve:
do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment).
"the referee deserves a pat on the back for his bravery"
synonyms: merit, earn, warrant, rate, justify, be worthy of, be entitled to, have a right to, have a claim on, be qualified for, be good enough for ​

Since God is the creator and he gave instructions to man on what to do and what not to do, when man kinds choice is not to listen to his instructions then the natural result is to suffer the consequences.

Other than that I would not call into question if the creator is justified in making his own rules.

 

[Hammster]

Deserve:
do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment).
"the referee deserves a pat on the back for his bravery"
synonyms: merit, earn, warrant, rate, justify, be worthy of, be entitled to, have a right to, have a claim on, be qualified for, be good enough for

Since God is the creator and he gave instructions to man on what to do and what not to do, when man kinds choice is not to listen to his instructions then the natural result is to suffer the consequences.

Other than that I would not call into question if the creator is justified in making his own rules.

I think that was a yes.

 

[Halbhh]

Okay. Can you answer the question in the OP?

From the wording in 1rst John chapter 1 (as just above), then I now know that it is "just" for God to forgive us our sins when we confess!

It's truly Amazing Grace.

So, then, yes, we amazingly have this justice even!

Do we 'deserve' it?.... Not in human thinking. That's just above our pay grade to answer in a way.

Instead this is the amazing reality:

1“Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.

2 Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and you will delight in the richest of fare.

3 Give ear and come to me;
listen, that you may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
my faithful love promised to David.

4 See, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
a ruler and commander of the peoples.
5 Surely you will summon nations you know not,
and nations you do not know will come running to you,
because of the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor.”

6 Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.
7 Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts."
...
Isaiah 55 NIV
(continues amazingly and wonderfully)

 

[Hammster]

From the wording in 1rst John chapter 1 (as just above), then I now know that it is "just" for God to forgive us our sins when we confess!

It's truly Amazing Grace.

So, then, yes, we amazingly have this justice even!

Do we 'deserve' it?.... Not in human thinking. That's just above our pay grade to answer in a way.

Instead this is the amazing reality:

1“Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.

2 Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and you will delight in the richest of fare.

3 Give ear and come to me;
listen, that you may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
my faithful love promised to David.

4 See, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
a ruler and commander of the peoples.
5 Surely you will summon nations you know not,
and nations you do not know will come running to you,
because of the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor.”

6 Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.
7 Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts."
...
Isaiah 55 NIV
(continues amazingly and wonderfully)

I’m not seeing how this addresses the OP. This isn’t a word study on “just”.

 

[Halbhh]

I’m not seeing how this addresses the OP. This isn’t a word study on “just”.

I think it has to be actually, in order to make any sense, but the dialog answer:

Do we 'deserve' it?.... Not in human thinking.

 

[Hammster]

I think it has to be actually, in order to make any sense, but the dialog answer:

Do we 'deserve' it?.... Not in human thinking.

Why not?