Hello Alex
Your above post is interesting, I disagree on Rev 12 being Future I believe rev 12 is the only Historical part of Revelation
Hello Just The Facts,
And thank you for the good spirit of your post.
You state:
Your above post is interesting, I disagree on Rev 12 being Future I believe rev 12 is the only Historical part of Revelation
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15] The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman,
to sweep her away with the flood.
This gives us a direct tie into Daniel 9: and the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD
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I think one has to be very careful when interpreting these prophetic events, and we know that the Messiah said not one scripture can be broken. Those who say that is Mary giving birth to Jesus in Rev 12 are breaking the scripture, because Mary did not flee to the wilderness for 3 ½ years, she went to Egypt for two, then back to Israel. So in my belief, that interpretation must be discarded.
Same thing with those who say the little horn coming up in the midst of the ten horns is Antiochus, this does not fit at all. Yes, having Satan indwell Antiochus will look similar to Satan indwelling the antichrist, but these are two different events. The antichrist and the ten kings are specific to the seventh and final Beast head kingdom (Rome was the sixth, in which Jesus lived and was born). Daniel looks out ahead to the four beast world systems ahead of him (Medo/ Persia, Greece, Rome, and the seventh and final beast system which is forming now).
Those four Daniel enumerates, along with Babylon (when Daniel lived) and Egypt (the first) and Assyria (the second) make up the seven headed beast in Revelation 12. Notice that the seven heads are crowned at that time period in Rev 12, the seventh head was not crowned when Jesus was born, neither were the ten kings there.
I agree that the dragon is not specifically the Beast, and I did not say he was, but the dragon (Satan) gives the beast it’s power and authority (Rev 13:2), and the seven heads are various manifestations of his rule through the seven kingdoms through history.
You wrote:
After trying to kill the messenger and destroying Jerusalem...................... but failing to stop the message he Then uses his Fourth Kingdom Rome to
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17] Then the dragon was angry with the woman,
and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.
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With all due respect, I think you are again reading your interpretation into the text, and it is breaking scripture as I said above. This cannot be the fourth kingdom (from Daniel’s perspective) when Jesus was born for the reasons I gave above. Notice below that the fourth kingdom takes place just before the Ancient of Days takes control and the Millennial rule begins, which is out ahead of us:
Daniel 7:20-28 and
the meaning of the ten horns that
were on its head, and the other
horn which came up, and before which three
of them fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth uttering great
boasts, and which was larger in appearance than its associates.
21 "I kept looking, and
that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them (my note: i.e. the antichrist)
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until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom. (
my note: this didn't happen during Antiochus, or Rome)
23 "Thus he said: '
The fourth beast will be
a fourth kingdom on the earth, which will be different from all the
other kingdoms, and
it will devour the whole earth and tread it down and crush it (
my note: this is the antichrist system, not Rome).
24 'As for the
ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.
25 'And he will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. (My note: i.e. 3 1/2 years, antichrist system)
26 'But the court will sit
for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.
27 '
Then the sovereignty, the dominion, and the greatness of
all the kingdoms under the whole heaven
will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom
will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.' (my note: this didn't happen after Jesus was born, in Rome, or after Antiochus)
28 "At this point the revelation ended. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts were greatly alarming me and my face grew pale, but I kept the matter to myself."
You wrote:
What I do agree with .....to a degree......is that these ten Kings in RV17: which have not yet received Royal Power....are leaders you are saying monetary I assume you are drawing that conclusion from Rv 18 and the Traders........I have always seen them as elected officials who as such do not have the Power to Turn their respective Territories over to the Beast but as Kings Their power is absolute. That is why they are made Kings for the one Hour Ceremony to Give the Beast from the pit control of the Empire.
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Nice that we can end with an agreement! And yes, I see them as being financial kings who rule the earth right now by controlling the money systems. They are described as “kings without a kingdom.” They rule as kings with their power but have no set delineated kingdom. But they do seem to have the world divided at some point for a more outward rule. I believe the “one hour” is not literal, but speaks of a short period of time (often in scripture) and refers to their ruling 3 ½ years alongside the antichrist (see Rev 17:12-14, and verse 16 & 17 there, which was not fulfilled in Rome after Jesus was born).
Lord bless you!
Alex