Be Thankful for the Coming Pretribulation Rapture

[iamlamad]

About the only truth in your above is your claim that I ignore Daniel.

Regarding OUR end of era scenario, I ignore all except for Revelation 13->forward.

(I may quote other scripture for one reason or another .. but not to understand OUR end of era scenario)

I know you think you have it right. But I also know you don't. Anyone that imagines Revelation forward is for the church has missed the mark big time.

 

[iamlamad]

What chapter is the dead will fly out of the located and what book of the Bible

Look at 1 Thes. 4

 

[John Prewett]

What chapter is the dead will fly out of the located and what book of the Bible

"Women received their dead raised to life again."

 

[Original Happy Camper]

If the graves are going to open up and the dead are going to get up and walk around that means when you die you don’t go to heaven or hell and your saying Christ lied on the cross when he told the thief you will be with me in paradise this day there is no way God is going to put you back in a rotten peice of flesh out of heaven just to change you again

You have the wrong understanding of this issue. Remember that Jesus told Mary touch me not for I have not ascended to my father. So Jesus had not gone to paradise. Jesus did not lie to the thief he said
Luke 23:43 [Full Chapter]
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Move the comma after thee to after today and then you will have the true understanding of the verse. IE Jesus is telling the thief that day, that he is saved and will be with him in paradise.

 

[Truth7t7]

Have you read the whole text
Revelation 3:7-13
7 And to the angel ch in Philadelphia write: These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth and none shall shut, and that shutteth and none openeth: 8 I know thy works (behold, I have set before thee a door opened, which none can shut), that thou hast a little power, and didst keep my word, and didst not deny my name.

9 Behold, I give of the synagogue of Satan, of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

10 Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that [hour] which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11 I come quickly: hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown.

12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.

Absolutely 100% correct Riberra, the Lord will protect the church during the final hour of temptation of the Lords indigination, just as the days of the "Passover"

Isaiah 26:20-21

The church will enter their house/chamber for a little moment, until the indignation is past.

The tribulation will be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.

The "Two Witnesses" will "Torment" the world through plagues as seen in Revelation 11

 

[John Prewett]

I know you think you have it right. But I also know you don't. Anyone that imagines Revelation forward is for the church has missed the mark big time.

Lemme get this straight ... you claim Revelation 13->forward is NOT "for the church" ?

 

[iamlamad]

The church will be protected from the final hour during the tribulation, just as the Hebrews were in the passover. Isaiah 26:20-21

The Church will enter their house/chamber for a little momen, until the Lords indignation/hour is past.

The complete scenario of the tribulation will be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.

The "Two Witnesses" of Revelation 11 will "TORMENT" the unsaved world through plagues, as the sealed church is protected from these plagues, Ephesians 4:30, Revelation 9:4

Sorry, but you are directly contradicting the scriptures. TWICE God has said that the saints would be overcome. That is the only scripture that fits this time frame.

Indeed, the bride of Christ will certainly be protected, but in heaven!

 

[iamlamad]

Lemme get this straight ... you claim Revelation 13->forward is NOT "for the church" ?

How many times have I shown you Daniel 9, where he tells us the 70th week is for HIS people?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying: from chapter 13 to chapter 16 is the last half of the week - for JEWS and HEBREWS.

But chapter 19 is back to the raptured church, seen in heaven, and at the marriage and supper, then returning to earth with Christ.

In Chapter 20, the church is seen as those seated on thrones judging - right along side those beheaded and judging. In fact, BOTH are the church; just one group was taken out first, and escaped "all these things." The other group was not born again at the time of the pretrib rapture, so were left behind. It was not God's plan for them. His plan was that they be born again and go with the church. Of course, chapters 21 and 22 are for any who read it.

 

[iamlamad]

You have the wrong understanding of this issue. Remember that Jesus told Mary touch me not for I have not ascended to my father. So Jesus had not gone to paradise. Jesus did not lie to the thief he said
Luke 23:43 [Full Chapter]
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Move the comma after thee to after today and then you will have the true understanding of the verse. IE Jesus is telling the thief that day, that he is saved and will be with him in paradise.

I disagree: I like the comma where it is. AFter Jesus died, He went down to the belly of the earth to paradise: where Abraham and Lazarus were. He did not lie.

 

[iamlamad]

What Jesus told the thief does NOT annul Jesus's ability to "raise the dead" .....

with Jesus waking up the sleeping Lazarus being a prime example of Jesus "raising the dead"

Whether "dead" (really sleeping Jesus says) for a week or a year or 10 years is irrelevant.

Finally, John, a post I can agree with! : -))

 

[Darrell Fox]

In May 27 verse 52-54 and the graves were opened and many bodies which slept arose
And came out of the graves after his resurrection

 

[iamlamad]

In May 27 verse 52-54 and the graves were opened and many bodies which slept arose
And came out of the graves after his resurrection

Would 24 be called many? I think 24 is more than a few. Just saying...

 

[Darrell Fox]

Lazarus had already rising before Christ was cursified. That’s where Christ was mared was in the earth by God every bone was out of joint none of that accrued on the cross God had to make a body that pleased him. Christ was carrying our sins all that had to be removed.

 

[Riberra]

2 Tim 2:
11 Here is a trustworthy saying: If we DIED with him, we will also live with him;
12 if we ENDURE, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;

TRUE ---->but that say ENDURE UNTIL YOU DIE... NOT that you will be taken out of the Earth while you are still alive to avoid suffering.

That is the same wording used by Jesus about the tribulation in
Matthew 24:13
13 But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.

That sentence by Jesus is the Biblical proof that there is no removal of the believers out of the Earth before the tribulation in God's agenda.

You pass through it [most likely you will be beheaded]...and if you among the few believers who will still be alive and remain UNTO THE COMING OF JESUS and have not taken the mark nor worship the Beast/AC ---->you will be gathered with those who will be resurrected ...to reign with Jesus.

 

[Riberra]

Just who was it that ask Jesus about the end of the age? It was JEWISH MEN asking about the end of THEIR age. It has nothing to do with the church. The end of THEIR age is the 70th week of Daniel.

The END of their age have happened in 70 AD ....because they have rejected and killed the Messiah that Daniel have prophesied will be send to them to CONFIRM the COVENANT that God have made with their fathers Abraham...Isaac...Jacob.

Jesus have been killed in the MIDDLE of the 70 TH Week ...and their desolation have happened by the people [Army] of the [PRINCE] TITUS.In fact God used the Roman army to punish the Jews of that time

The Romans with their practices and their belief in other gods were an ABOMINATION for the Jews....The Romans were The ABOMINATION that caused their Desolation in 70 AD.

Thus the Coming BEAST[Revelation 13] who will reign during 42 months have nothing to do with Daniel 9:23-27

...but is about the LITTLE HORN of Daniel 7 who will overcome the SAINTS [Christians]during his 42 months reign --->3 1/2 years [Revelation 13]....until the Coming of Jesus.

The Saints being ALL those who will be beheaded by The Beast/AC because they will hold the testimony of Jesus and will not take the mark nor worship the Beast [Revelation 20:4-6]

What Satan want is your SOUL [nothing new there] by imposing the mark [owned by the beast] and the worship of the Beast --->thus rejecting Jesus if you do that---->with the consequence...
Revelation 14:9-12

 

[Truth7t7]

The two witnesses will be killed sometime before the beginning of the 42 months reign of the Beast ----

Your 100% incorrect, the 1260 dayskingdom, Revelation 11:3 & Revelation 13:5 is the exact time frame.

Revelation 11:10-18 You see the witnesses present on earth bringing plagues on the beast and his kingdom, right to the 2nd woe, as the 3rd woe sees the kingdoms of this world, becoming the Lords, he reigns forever, "Eternity Begins"

I now understand you error in teaching the Antichrist runs around supreme for 3 1/2 years.

Not so, the two witnesses will be present for the 3 1/2 year tribulation.

It appears you disregard the fact of Revelation 11:15-18 being the final judgment, end of this human world.

 

[Riberra]

Your 100% incorrect, the 1260 dayskingdom, Revelation 11:3 & Revelation 13:5 is the exact time frame.

Revelation 11:10-18 You see the witnesses present on earth bringing plagues on the beast and his kingdom, right to the 2nd woe, as the 3rd woe sees the kingdoms of this world, becoming the Lords, he reigns forever, "Eternity Begins"

I now understand you error in teaching the Antichrist runs around supreme.

Not so, the two witnesses will be present for the 3 1/2 year tribulation.

6 Tribulation Trumpets ...same time and plagues that the Two Witnesses will be in to add their own plagues .

The two witnesses killed at the END of THE SECOND WOE Revelation 11:14

The 7 TH TRUMPET ANNOUNCE THE THIRD WOE Jesus take officially power and DECIDE TO CAST OUT OF HEAVEN DOWN TO THE EARTH SATAN AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS ....Revelation 12:9-10

There is others chapters full of things to happen after Revelation 11:15 see what is said IN HEAVEN WHEN SATAN WILL BE CAST OUT OF HEAVEN


Revelation 12:9-10
9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the AUTHORITY of his Christ: ---->for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night.

The 42 months Reign of the Beast when the Christians will be overcome by the Beast will be inevitable for ALL THOSE WHO WILL BE ALIVE WHEN IT WILL HAPPEN --->Revelation 13:7
Revelation 13:7
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.

 

[Truth7t7]

6 Tribulation Trumpets ...same time and plagues that the Two Witnesses will be in to add their own plagues .

The two witnesses killed at the END of THE SECOND WOE Revelation 11:14

The 7 TH TRUMPET ANNOUNCE THE THIRD WOE Jesus take officially power and DECIDE TO CAST OUT OF HEAVEN DOWN TO THE EARTH SATAN AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS ....Revelation 12:9-10

There is others chapters full of things to happen after Revelation 11:15 see what is said IN HEAVEN WHEN SATAN WILL BE CAST OUT OF HEAVEN


Revelation 12:9-10
9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the AUTHORITY of his Christ: ---->for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night.

The 42 months Reign of the Beast when the Christians will be overcome by the Beast will be inevitable for ALL THOSE WHO WILL BE ALIVE WHEN IT WILL HAPPEN --->Revelation 13:7
Revelation 13:7
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.

I disagree 100%

Revelation 11:15-18 is the final judgment end of this world.

You disregard this truth and jump back to satan falling to earth with his angels?

Riberra your original in this teaching in error A+ for being the first in my observation.

 

[Riberra]

I disagree 100%

Revelation 11:15-18 is the final judgment end of this world.

You disregard this truth and jump back to satan falling to earth with his angels?

Riberra your original in this teaching in error A+ for being the first in my observation.

If you want to believe that Jesus will come to the Earth in the middle of the Tribulation at the 7 Th Trumpet and you want to close the Book of Revelation right there in Revelation 11:15 Go FOR IT ....

You will never be aware that Jesus will cast Satan and his fallen angels out of Heaven at that moment as FIRST ACTION SHOWING HIS AUTHORITY[Revelation 12:9-10] to fulfill the Third WOE associated with the 7 Th Trumpet....and you will End by thinking that Satan is Jesus who have returned with his angels...

I know that Jesus will not return at the 7 Th Trumpet but AFTER THE 6 TH VIAL WHEN THE ARMIES WILL BE GATHERED AT ARMAGEDDON ---->Revelation 16:14-17 ----Revelation 19.

 

[Choose Wisely]

The complete scenario of the tribulation will be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.

The "Two Witnesses" of Revelation 11 will "TORMENT" the unsaved world through plagues, as the sealed church is protected from these plagues, Ephesians 4:30, Revelation 9:4

Wrong again. The complete scenario of the tribulation will be a remake of Noah being in the ark 7 days before the flood. Gee........just like it says.
Matt 24
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

So you want to make up the scenario to fit what you believe, despite the fact that God provides the scenario in his word. No wonder you are confused brother