Be Thankful for the Coming Pretribulation Rapture

[Truth7t7]

If you want to believe that Jesus will come to the Earth in the middle of the Tribulation at the 7 Th Trumpet and you want to close the Book of Revelation right there in Revelation 11:15 Go FOR IT ....

You will never be aware that Jesus will cast Satan and his fallen angels out of Heaven at that moment as FIRST ACTION SHOWING HIS AUTHORITY[Revelation 12:9-10] to fulfill the Third WOE associated with the 7 Th Trumpet....and you will End by thinking that Satan is Jesus who have returned with his angels...

I know that Jesus will not return at the 7 Th Trumpet but AFTER THE 6 TH VIAL WHEN THE ARMIES WILL BE GATHERED AT ARMAGEDDON ---->Revelation 16:14-17 ----Revelation 19.

I was unaware that you disregard the 7th/Last trump was not the end of this world.

We will disagree, I will continue to teach and believe this biblical truth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Wrong again. The complete scenario of the tribulation will be a remake of Noah being in the ark 7 days before the flood. Gee........just like it says.
Matt 24
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

So you want to make up the scenario to fit what you believe, despite the fact that God provides the scenario in his word. No wonder you are confused brother

Just as in the days of Noah means the "Evil" of his time.

The two witnesses in Revelation 11 will be a remake in plagues of Moses/Aaron in Egypt.

The Lords protection of the church in Isaiah 26:20-21 will be a remake of the passover.

 

[Riberra]

I was unaware that you disregard the 7th/Last trump was not the end of this world.

We will disagree, I will continue to teach and belie e this truth.

There will be 7 TRIBULATION TRUMPETS SOUNDED BY 7 ANGELS Revelation 8.

There will be another TRUMPET AFTER THE TRIBULATION [the voice of GOD] when Jesus will send his angels for the gathering ...
Matthew 24:29-31 which is what Paul refers in 1 Thess 4:13-17 the Trump of God.

 

[Truth7t7]

There will be 7 TRIBULATION TRUMPETS SOUNDED BY 7 ANGELS Revelation 8.

There will be another TRUMPET AFTER THE TRIBULATION [the voice of GOD] when Jesus will send his angels for the gathering ...
Matthew 24:29-31

We will disagree, the seventh trump in Revelation 11:15, is the same voice of the seventh angel in Revelation 10:6-7, is the same last trump in 1 Corinthians 15:52, is the same trump in Matthew 24:29-32.

We will strongly disagree, there is no 8th trump as you claim in error.

 

[Riberra]

We will disagree, the seventh trump in Revelation 11:15, is the same voice of the seventh angel in Revelation 10:6-7, is the same last trump in 1 Corinthians 15:52, is the same trump in Matthew 24:29-32.

We will strongly disagree, there is no 8th trump as you claim in error.

The TRUMP OF GOD WILL SOUND AT THE GATHERING [That is the VOICE OF GOD] Matthew 24:29-31

The 7 Tribulation trumpets will be SOUNDED BY 7 ANGELS ,HAVE YOU READ REVELATION 8 ?
1 And when he opened the seventh seal, there followed a silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

2 And I saw the seven angels that stand before God; and there were given unto them seven trumpets.

 

[Truth7t7]

The TRUMP OF GOD WILL SOUND AT THE GATHERING [That is the VOICE OF GOD] Matthew 24:29-31

The 7 Tribulation trumpets will be SOUNDED BY 7 ANGELS ,HAVE YOU READ REVELATION 8 ?
1 And when he opened the seventh seal, there followed a silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

2 And I saw the seven angels that stand before God; and there were given unto them seven trumpets.

The seven trumps in Revelation 8:2 are God's trumpets, that are given to the angels.

There is not a God 8th Trump

Your bending and twisting God's truth, trying desperately to make your teaching work.

"Stop" at 7 Trumps, there isn't an 8th.

 

[Riberra]

The seven trumps in Revelation 8:2 are God's trumpets, that are given to the angels.

There is not a God 8th Trump

Your bending and twisting God's truth, trying desperately to make your teaching work.

"Stop" at 7 Trumps, there isn't an 8th.

There is 7 TRIBULATION TRUMPET ------> and a TRUMPET that will sound AFTER THE TRIBULATION.

 

[Riberra]

It appears you disregard the fact of Revelation 11:15-18 being the final judgment, end of this human world.

Let resume that point of time ...
Revelation 11:15-18 ---->Jesus is still in Heaven at that moment with the SOULS of Dead PEOPLE some of them which are the DEAD PROPHETS and the DEAD SAINTS are on their way to receive a reward ...no mention about what that reward will be at that moment ....like if they need to wait for other peoples who will also become SAINTS MARTYRS ...Make no mistake THE PROPHETS ENDED MARTYRS..

 

[Truth7t7]

We will disagree, the seventh trump in Revelation 11:15, is the same voice of the seventh angel in Revelation 10:6-7, is the same last trump in 1 Corinthians 15:52, is the same trump in Matthew 24:29-32, is the same trump in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

We will strongly disagree, there is no 8th trump as you claim in error.

The trump horse is Dead.

There is 7 TRIBULATION TRUMPET ------> and a TRUMPET that will sound AFTER THE TRIBULATION.

 

[Riberra]

We will disagree, the seventh trump in Revelation 11:15, is the same voice of the seventh angel in Revelation 10:6-7, is the same last trump in 1 Corinthians 15:52, is the same trump in Matthew 24:29-32, is the same trump in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

We will strongly disagree, there is no 8th trump as you claim in error.

The trump horse is Dead.

7 tribulation trumpets SOUNDED by 7 angels THAT is WHAT REVELATION 8:2 and Revelation 8:6 tell us.

6 And the seven angels that had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.


While in Matthew 24:29-31
One Trumpet NOT SOUNDED BY AN ANGEL AFTER THE TRIBULATION

 

[Truth7t7]

The seventh angel sounding is the "END" Eternity Begins in Verse 15 below.

"He Shall Reign For Ever And Ever"!

There is no going back to chapter 12, and looking at Satan being cast to the earth.

Verse 18 below is the "Great White Throne" judgment of all that have lived. Also seen in Revelation 20:11-15

"The Time Of The Dead, That They Should Be Judged"

Revelation 11:15-18
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Let resume that point of time ...
Revelation 11:15-18 ---->Jesus is still in Heaven at that moment with the SOULS of Dead PEOPLE some of them which are the DEAD PROPHETS and the DEAD SAINTS are on their way to receive a reward ...no mention about what that reward will be at that moment ....like if they need to wait for other peoples who will also becoming SAINTS MARTYRS ...Make no mistake THE PROPHETS ENDED MARTYRS..

 

[Riberra]

and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Can you see than that will not be the Earth who will be destroyed but THEM who destroy the Earth...

Them ----Those who ...

"Final judgment" ....not yet !

 

[Truth7t7]

Can you see than that will not be the Earth who will be destroyed but THEM who destroy the Earth...

Them ----Those who ...

Your twisting in circles.

Those seen in Revelation 11:18 will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

However when Jesus Returns, The earth is dissolved by his fire judgment.

2 Peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Malachi 3:2, Luke 17:29-30

I'm done with the trumps!

 

[Riberra]

Your twisting in circles.

Those seen in Revelation 11:18 will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

However when Jesus Returns, The earth is dissolved by his fire judgment.

2 Peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Malachi 3:2, Luke 17:29-30

When

When the 1,000 years reign of Jesus on the Earth that is mentioned in Revelation 20 that you ignore will be finished.

Talking of twisting the Scripture you ignore totally a full Chapter concerning the 1,000 years reign of Jesus on the Earth Revelation 20 .....before the New Earth Mentioned in Revelation 21 and Revelation 22.

 

[Truth7t7]

When the 1,000 years reign of Jesus on the Earth that is mentioned in Revelation 20 that you ignore will be finished.

Talking of twisting the Scripture you ignore totally a full Chapter concerning the 1,000 years reign of Jesus on the Earth Revelation 20 .....before the New Earth Mentioned in Revelation 21 and Revelation 22.

The term 1000 is not literal, its in the Lords spiritual.

2 Peter 3:8 shows us one day is a thousand years, "In The Lords Spiritual" realm of no earthly time.

If a tribulation saint dies one week before the second coming, he enters this non-literal 1000 year reign.

Revelation 20:1-6

angel, heaven, devil, satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ, 100% the Lords spiritual.
No earthly kingdom seen there.

Riberra just like the dispys misrepresent the "Second Coming" and try to pawn of scripture to build a pre-trib rapture, thats really the "Second Coming"?

The millenialist do the very same thing, as they go to the old testament, misrepresenting the eternal kingdom, for a false 1000 year kingdom.

Example:

They use Zechariah 14, this is the eternal kingdom.

verses 1-4 battle of Armageddon, second advent.

verses 6-7 eternal light

verse 8 the eternal river of life, also seen in Revelation 22:1-5

verse 12 the last day judgment by fire, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Malachi 3:2, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-13

They use Ezekiel 47

in verse 12 we see the eternal river and tree of life, also seen in Revelation 22:1-5

They use Isaiah 65

verses 17-19 clearly states it's the eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, with the exact wording as Revelation 21:1-5

When you understand Jesus returns in the "Final Judgment", "Eternal Life", "Eternal Kingdom" as clearly taught in Matthew 25:31-46, you'll be on the straight and narrow road.

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Truth7t7

 

[Choose Wisely]

The TRUMP OF GOD WILL SOUND AT THE GATHERING [That is the VOICE OF GOD] Matthew 24:29-31

The 7 Tribulation trumpets will be SOUNDED BY 7 ANGELS ,HAVE YOU READ REVELATION 8 ?
1 And when he opened the seventh seal, there followed a silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

2 And I saw the seven angels that stand before God; and there were given unto them seven trumpets.

The trump of God or voice of God, 1 Thes 4, will sound for the pretribulation rapture.
The last trump, blown on the Feast of Trumpets, 1 Cor 15, is blown for the gathering.

These are not the same.......contrary to what is commonly taught.

 

[BABerean2]

The trump of God or voice of God, 1 Thes 4, will sound for the pretribulation rapture.
The last trump, blown on the Feast of Trumpets, 1 Cor 15, is blown for the gathering.

These are not the same.......contrary to what is commonly taught.

If they were the same, which was the understanding for most of the history of the Church, it would kill the pretrib doctrine...


Pretribulationist Revisionism

(Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)

Pastor Tim Warner


http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf



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[Choose Wisely]

If they were the same, which was the understanding for most of the history of the Church, it would kill the pretrib doctrine...


Pretribulationist Revisionism

(Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)

Pastor Tim Warner


http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf



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So since the pretrib doctrine has not been killed, then that is proof they are not the same?

You are not a brother.....correct???

 

[Riberra]

The term 1000 is not literal, its in the Lords spiritual.

2 Peter 3:8 shows us one day is a thousand years, "In The Lords Spiritual" realm of no earthly time.

If a tribulation saint dies one week before the second coming, he enters this non-literal 1000 year reign.

Revelation 20:1-6

angel, heaven, devil, satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ, 100% the Lords spiritual.
No earthly kingdom seen there.

Riberra just like the dispys misrepresent the "Second Coming" and try to pawn of scripture to build a pre-trib rapture, thats really the "Second Coming"?

The millenialist do the very same thing, as they go to the old testament, misrepresenting the eternal kingdom, for a false 1000 year kingdom.

Example:

They use Zechariah 14, this is the eternal kingdom.

verses 1-4 battle of Armageddon, second advent.

verses 6-7 eternal light

verse 8 the eternal river of life, also seen in Revelation 22:1-5

verse 12 the last day judgment by fire, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Malachi 3:2, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-13

Here what you have not quoted:
Zechariah 14
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one THAT IS LEFT **of all the nations that came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso of [all] the families of the earth goeth not up unto Jerusalem to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, upon them there shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, neither [shall it be] upon them; there shall be the plague wherewith Jehovah will smite the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

***ONE WILL BE TAKEN ,AND THE OTHER LEFT REFERS TO THAT Passage of Zechariah 14:16

One will be taken to be SLAIN by Jesus at Armageddon the other will be Left to where he is ...to repopulate the Earth during the 1,000 years Kingdom of Jesus on the earth.

The river of life that will flow in Jerusalem will be for the Believers who will have been resurrected and the believers still alive who have not taken the mark Revelation 20:4-6 to Reign with Jesus in Jerusalem --->the camp of the SAINTS.

 

[Truth7t7]

Here what you have not quoted:
Zechariah 14
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one THAT IS LEFT **of all the nations that came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso of [all] the families of the earth goeth not up unto Jerusalem to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, upon them there shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, neither [shall it be] upon them; there shall be the plague wherewith Jehovah will smite the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

***ONE WILL BE TAKEN ,AND THE OTHER LEFT REFERS TO THAT Passage of Zechariah 14:16

One will be taken to be SLAIN by Jesus at Armageddon the other will be Left to where he is ...to repopulate the Earth during the 1,000 years Kingdom of Jesus on the earth.

The river of life that will flow in Jerusalem will be for the Believers who will have been resurrected and the believers still alive who have not taken the mark Revelation 20:4-6 to Reign with Jesus in Jerusalem --->the camp of the SAINTS.

Zechariah 14 is the eternal kingdom, with eternal light and the tree of life present.

Verses 1-4 The final bettle of Armeggdon and the "Second Advent", fire judgment at the appearance of Jesus.

2 Peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Malachi 3:2, Luke 17:29-30, 1 Corinthians 3:13

Those left of the nations are the righteous.

Try looking at Zechariah 14:12, and comparethis to Malachi 3:2

No human will survive the last day fire that judges all men. 1 Corinthians 3:13

You disregard the "Very Clear" scripture that teaches Jesus returns in fire judgment.

"It's Not Gonna Be A Little Camp Fire Either"!

We have went full circle, im out!