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[Ada Lovelace]

This video is succinct and will hopefully be helpful to the OP:

 

[Subduction Zone]

Keith and I seemed to have no problem communicating, so I'd have to guess that it's your error, not mine.

Nope, but thanks for playing.

 

[Michael]

This video is succinct and will hopefully be helpful to the OP:

That's a well done video IMO. M-"Theory" however doesn't really fit well with the explanations offered in that presentation which simply demonstrates that scientists themselves aren't particularly consistent with the way they use various terms.

 

[miknik5]

That is because according to other God's the Gospel is wrong. You are not thinking logically here.

There aren't "other gods"

 

[miknik5]

Blessed if you like, but 'believing without seeing' is pretty much the definition of credulity which is to gullibility, what, as the old saw has it, cleanliness is to godliness.

We sometimes think as we move away from being a child we are of better character

 

[Subduction Zone]

There aren't "other gods"

They are just as real to their believers as yours is to you.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

A lying god could talk to countless people and tell them different things. But a lying god is a very scary concept. Then everything promised to you might just be a lie.

How would you tell a lying god from an honest one if you heard a god?

There is only one YHWH, SOVEREIGN CREATOR ,ALMIGHTY ONE.

He cannot lie, though all men be liars....

Those who believe Him, He never disappoints.

Those who don't ..... well..... their end is certain.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is only one YHWH, SOVEREIGN CREATOR ,ALMIGHTY ONE.

He cannot lie, though all men be liars....

Those who believe Him, He never disappoints.

Those who don't ..... well..... their end is certain.

Why should anyone believe that? If you want to claim that your god is the only god in a debate or discussion then the burden of proof is upon you. Claims like that by your are no more valid than if I made such claims for Buddha or Allah.

By the way, countless creationists are tacitly claiming that their God is a lying God. Since their God supposedly made the Earth and all that is in it he also made the evidence that tells us that the Genesis account is wrong.

You are a creationist how do you deal with that paradox?

 

[Michael]

They are just as real to their believers as yours is to you.

I think atheists go out of their way to *ignore* the whole concept of monotheism, and the distinction between the one God that all monotheists believe in, and different religions. I'm sure everyone has "faith" that their "religion" is correct, but variation in belief among theists is not evidence that humans believe in different gods. That's an atheistic meme/ruse.

 

[Michael]

Why should anyone believe that? If you want to claim that your god is the only god

All monotheists agree that there is but one "God", and many "religions".

Atheists keep ignoring the fact that there has been a "consensus" on the topic of monotheism for a long time now.

Nope, but thanks for playing....

 

[pitabread]

I'm sure everyone has "faith" that their "religion" is correct, but variation in belief among theists is not evidence that humans believe in different gods.

How is it not evidence that humans believe in different gods? I've met Pagans with polytheistic beliefs. Are you suggesting they don't believe in more than one god?

 

[Michael]

How is it not evidence that humans believe in different gods? I've met Pagans with polytheistic beliefs. Are you suggesting they don't believe in more than one god?

There has been a consensus on monotheism for a thousand years or more, but like all topics under the sun, there are also minority viewpoints.

There are *many* different Christian denominations but they're all monotheists and there was but one "Christ". Different religions exist, but they almost all worship just a single God.

Failing to accept the "consensus" on this issue puts the atheist in the unenviable position of demonstrating their claim/belief that there are multiple "gods" rather than multiple belief systems about one God. Is that really the "claim' you wish to make? I thought you folks "lacked beliefs" about God(s)?

 

[pitabread]

There has been a consensus on monotheism for a thousand years or more, but like all topics under the sun, there are also minority viewpoints.

Argumentum ad populum? Is that really your argument?

There are *many* different Christian denominations but they're all monotheists and there was but one "Christ". Different religions exist, but they almost all worship just a single God.

IIRC, the majority of the world's religious beliefs through history have traditionally been polytheistic.

Failing to accept the "consensus" on this issue puts the atheist in the unenviable position of demonstrating their claim/belief that there are multiple "gods" rather than multiple belief systems about one God. Is that really the "claim' you wish to make? I thought you folks "lacked beliefs" about God?

I think you're confused about who is arguing for what here. Personally, I think all world religions are man-made (I don't believe in supernatural deities to begin with).

Rather, I'm simply pointing out that I've met people who professed a polytheistic belief. Thus, it's a bit of a stretch to claim that everyone with a religious belief is all necessarily worshiping the same "god".

 

[Michael]

I think you're confused about who is arguing for what here. Personally, I think all world religions are man-made (I don't believe in a supernatural deities to begin with).

I don't have a problem with that position. FYI, I'm not personally a big fan of the "supernatural' either. I believe that God is quite natural.

Rather, I'm simply pointing out that I've met people who professed a polytheistic belief. Thus, it's a bit of a stretch to claim that everyone with a religious belief is all necessarily worshiping the same "god".

Unless you have evidence to the contrary (and wish to present it), the consensus of humanity has been monotheism for quite some time. The fact that there are minority viewpoints is irrelevant. It's not logical however for an atheist who claims to hold no belief in God(s) to turn right around and suggest that any variation in human perception is evidence of multiple gods. It's just a logical contradiction.

It's logical to suggest that there are many human beliefs associated with God, but the consensus among humans, and certainly Christians in general is that there is but one "God", and many "religions".

 

[pitabread]

Unless you have evidence to the contrary (and wish to present it), the consensus of humanity has been monotheism for quite some time. The fact that there are minority viewpoints is irrelevant.

Like I said, this is just an argumentum ad populum argument. Wind back the clock a couple thousand years and you'd likely be arguing for polytheism.

It's logical to suggest that there are many human beliefs associated with God, but the consensus among humans, and certainly Christians in general is that there is but one "God", and many "religions".

Except for the existence of polytheistic religious beliefs, even in the modern world today. To arbitrarily dismiss those beliefs seems a bit... biased.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All monotheists agree that there is but one "God", and many "religions".

No one is ignoring anything, except for perhaps you. The gods that these monotheists worship are different gods. All one has to do is to see what they think that the god wants.

Nope, but thanks for playing....

That does not work when you are so obviously wrong. But thanks for admitting that you are wrong by mimicking me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think atheists go out of their way to *ignore* the whole concept of monotheism, and the distinction between the one God that all monotheists believe in, and different religions. I'm sure everyone has "faith" that their "religion" is correct, but variation in belief among theists is not evidence that humans believe in different gods. That's an atheistic meme/ruse.

Why did you make this same bogus claim twice?

And no, all monotheists do not believe in the one same god. Just ask dad if his god is that same god as that of the Muslims. No matter what one of them worships a different god.

And you are also ignoring polytheists. Why make the false limitation to monotheists?

 

[bhsmte]

There is only one YHWH, SOVEREIGN CREATOR ,ALMIGHTY ONE.

He cannot lie, though all men be liars....

Those who believe Him, He never disappoints.

Those who don't ..... well..... their end is certain.

Opinion.

 

[Michael]

Like I said, this is just an argumentum ad populum argument. Wind back the clock a couple thousand years and you'd likely be arguing for polytheism.

Wind back the clock that long ago and "scientists" would be arguing for Earth as the center of the universe too. You can't deny the progress of religion anymore than it's logical to ignore the progress of science.

Except for the existence of polytheistic religious beliefs, even in the modern world today. To arbitrarily dismiss those beliefs seems a bit... biased.

Not any more "biased" than it would be to dismiss the claim that the Earth is the center of the universe.

If you profess to lack belief in God(s), you can't claim that differences in religious belief is evidence of multiple Gods. Either you hold beliefs about God(s) or you don't. Which is it?

 

[Michael]

No one is ignoring anything, except for perhaps you. The gods that these monotheists worship are different gods. All one has to do is to see what they think that the god wants.

No. The religions that people adhere to are different, but monotheism is based on the premise that there is only one God. You can't claim to hold no beliefs about God and claim there are multiple gods too! It's a question of trying to have your cake and eat it too.

That does not work when you are so obviously wrong. But thanks for admitting that you are wrong by mimicking me.

Only in your dreams did I admit anything of the sort.