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[Subduction Zone]

The flaw in your argument is that you're assuming that any variation in human belief about God has something to do with God, rather than the individuality and the subjectivity of the person doing the "hearing".

How many different theories of gravity are their to choose from? Cosmology models?

No, we are talking about people that have specifically "heard God" and yet that 'God' tells them extremely different things. We are not talking about human belief in general. Just one very specific claim.

 

[Michael]

The flaw in your argument is assuming that only your god is possible.

Do you grasp the concept of "monotheism"? I assume there is but one God and many religions about God. You're confusing religion with the concept of God.

I have unique beliefs about the universe I live in too, but I don't profess to live in a different 'universe' than the mainstream.

Whatever rationale you have for believing in your god, could be applied to any other god with its own characteristics and traits.

Again, you're confusing "God" with "religion". I accept the existence of but *one* God, and there are many religions about that one God. You can whine about my choice of religions, but you can't claim I have a different "God" than anyone else, anymore than I live in a different universe just because I hold unique cosmology beliefs.

Ultimately all you have to determine that you are worshipping the "One True God" and not that you are worshipping a lying and evil god is faith.

I have 'faith' that my "religion" is the correct one for me, but I don't hold belief or faith in multiple "gods" to begin with.

You hope, on faith, that your faith in god is well placed.

In terms of my choice of religion, and my overall "faith" in the existence of God, sure.

But you can't point to evidence that your faith-based belief system isn't one built of lies from a god playing a trick on humanity. Maybe Loki is having a laugh?

I base my belief on God on my own personal "experiences" in life. Yes, I embrace my 'faith' as a form of "faith", but my experiences are consistent with the teachings of Christ, hence my personal preference for "Christianity" rather than say Scientology.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well not in the case of GOD who hides from the wise and gives to the unlearned

And there's only ONE TRUTH and TESTIMINY

You'll never hear of "another god" testifying to the TRUTH of THE of THE GOSPEL

That is because according to other God's the Gospel is wrong. You are not thinking logically here.

 

[Michael]

No, we are talking about people that have specifically "heard God" and yet that 'God' tells them extremely different things. We are not talking about human belief in general. Just one very specific claim.

Which very specific claim? I'm sure we all hear the same words from various people but we tend to "interpret" them quite uniquely. An atheist reading your posts is likely to form different opinions about your comments than a theist. It's the bias of the individuals that generates plenty of variation in what different people experience and 'hear'.

 

[TBDude65]

Do you grasp the concept of "monotheism"? I assume there is but one God and many religions about God. You're confusing religion with the concept of God.

I have unique beliefs about the universe I live in too, but I don't profess to live in a different 'universe' than the mainstream.



Again, you're confusing "God" with "religion". I accept the existence of but *one* God, and there are many religions about that one God. You can whine about my choice of religions, but you can't claim I have a different "God" than anyone else, anymore than I live in a different universe just because I hold unique cosmology beliefs.



I have 'faith' that my "religion" is the correct one for me, but I don't hold belief or faith in multiple "gods" to begin with.



In terms of my choice of religion, and my overall "faith" in the existence of God, sure.



I base my belief on God on my own personal "experiences" in life. Yes, I embrace my 'faith' as a form of "faith", but my experiences are consistent with the teachings of Christ, hence my personal preference for "Christianity" rather than say Scientology.

I know what "monotheism" means. I was using an analogy to point out the flaw in the posters prior argument.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Which very specific claim? I'm sure we all hear the same words from various people but we tend to "interpret" them quite uniquely. An atheist reading your posts is likely to form different opinions about your comments than a theist. It's the bias of the individuals that generates plenty of variation in what different people experience and 'hear'.

You came into this conversation late and did not do your homework.

 

[Michael]

I know what "monotheism" means. I was using an analogy to point out the flaw in the posters prior argument.

I am that poster, and it was my argument.

 

[Michael]

You came into this conversation late and did not do your homework.

Doing homework doesn't mean that I can read your mind. I have no idea which specific ideas your comments might have been directed at.

 

[TBDude65]

I am that poster, and it was my argument.

Then you don't seem to understand that you also take it on faith that monotheism is the correct version of theism. If you want to criticize someone's hypothetical, you should be prepared to have to play along too

 

[Subduction Zone]

Doing homework doesn't mean that I can read your mind. I have no idea which specific ideas your comments might have been directed at.

You expect others to do your work for you. When you don't understand what is being discussed go back a page or two.

You made an error because you were too lazy to do your homework and now you are complaining because others refuse to do it for you.

 

[Michael]

Then you don't seem to understand that you also take it on faith that monotheism is the correct version of theism.

Hmm. I'm having a hard time agreeing with that. I've only ever had an experience of "one" God in my life, not two or more different personalities. I'd say it's a combo of "personal experience", "consensus" of the masses and ya, maybe a tiny bit of "faith" in there somewhere. The first two components seem to be more "practical" than pure faith.

If you want to criticize someone's hypothetical, you should be prepared to have to play along too

I agree.

 

[Michael]

You expect others to do your work for you. When you don't understand what is being discussed go back a page or two.

You made an error because you were too lazy to do your homework and now you are complaining because others refuse to do it for you.

You've been discussing everything from theories in general, to evolutionary theory, to comments about religion! Like I said, I don't profess to be a mind reader, and my original criticism is still valid. Variation in religious belief isn't automatically the fault of "God", rather it's a function of human individuality.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You've been discussing everything from theories in general, to evolutionary theory, to comments about religion! Like I said, I don't profess to be a mind reader, and my original criticism is still valid. Variation in religious belief isn't automatically the fault of "God", rather it's a function of human individuality.

No one asked you to be one.

You were the one that made a comment that showed you had not been following along. You were corrected and then you complained. You were corrected again and you still complained.

If you don't want to look bad, don't comment about a conversation that you have not been following at all. Worse yet when you make such an error do not blame others for your error.

 

[Michael]

No one asked you to be one.

You were the one that made a comment that showed you had not been following along. You were corrected and then you complained. You were corrected again and you still complained.

If you don't want to look bad, don't comment about a conversation that you have not been following at all. Worse yet when you make such an error do not blame others for your error.

What error. You've been discussing everything but the kitchen sink in this thread. I probably should have chimed in earlier the first time when you first posted this response:

How can you convince those who have heard GOD's VOICE?

You can't. Especially since countless other people of yours and countless other faiths have heard 'GOD'S VOICE' and it is always saying something different. As the saying goes in such a situation only one of the multitude can be right, but all of them can be wrong.

You're basically suggesting that variation in religious belief somehow demonstrates the non-existence of God because they don't all agree. They don't all agree on *anything* however, so why would they all be the same with respect to God?

 

[Subduction Zone]

What error. You've been discussing everything but the kitchen sink in this thread. I probably should have chimed in earlier the first time when you first posted this response:



You're basically suggesting that variation in religious belief somehow demonstrates the non-existence of God because they don't all agree. They don't all agree on *anything* however, so why would they all be the same with respect to God?

Wow! No point in talking to those that have no clue.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Wow! No point in talking to those that have no clue.

By definition, that includes a lot of people on earth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

By definition, that includes a lot of people on earth.

True, but some will at least try to learn form their errors.

 

[Michael]

True, but some will at least try to learn form their errors.

Keith and I seemed to have no problem communicating, so I'd have to guess that it's your error, not mine.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Didn't you understand that blessed are those who have not seen and believe?

Blessed if you like, but 'believing without seeing' is pretty much the definition of credulity which is to gullibility, what, as the old saw has it, cleanliness is to godliness.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

How would you tell a lying god from an honest one if you heard a god?

It doesn't matter, if what that god says, does, or commands, is good by definition