The word "first resurrection" which misleads many

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[jerry kelso]

Show me where you think that happens many times. Heaven is rolled together only once. The stars of heaven fall only one time. The wicked hide in the rocks as foretold in Isaiah 2 only once in Revelation/6th seal. They hide from the face of the One on the throne. The OT shows that God hides His face when He sells Israel into the hand of her enemies. It is time for mercy when He shows it.
Earthquakes are mentioned several times in Revelation, but they are not all showing right then an earthquake upon the earth is underway. Just like in the OT, God revealed how long He will punish places/people. He will be angry until....
At the end of Revelation 11 is not an earthquake or great hail right then on the earth killing people. It is being revealed how long the next set of plagues/full vials will last. The final event will be the great hail. This is why the end of Revelation 11 actually leads us next to Revelation 16:1 and we learn in the rest of the chapters what was written in the little open book that John had eaten back in chapter 10, so he could prophesy again. This is the little book - that cannot have the sayingq of its prophecy sealed. It was a section of Revelation that was given to us in the same sequence that it was shown to John.
Another example of when an actual earthquake did not happen is in Revelation 8 just ahead of the story of the past job of the seven trumpets angels. John did not tell us a damage report...so many people died...cities fell...or anything. It just shows how the next set of plagues will end. 6th seal opens/earthquake
trib ends/sun black///Immediately after the tribulation of those days....sun...darkened....the stars fall from heaven....
Joel shows the moon blood event is before the day of the Lord.
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

6th seal/sun black - moon blood

vinsight4u,

1. Matthew 24:7 earthquakes will happen to indicate Christ return.

2. Earthquakes Revelation 6:12; prior to the sealing of the 144,000, the 7th seal, the trumpets and vials Revelation 6:12.
Revelation 8:5; takes place after the 7th seal and before the blowing of the 1st trumpet.
Revelation 11:19; under the 7th trumpet in the middle of the tribulation.
We have 3 earthquakes from the 6th seal to the middle of the tribulation in the days of the 7th trumpet angel. This is the 1st half of the tribulation.
Revelation 11:13 at the ascension of the two witnesses is an earthquake. Revelation 16:17, Zechariah 14:48.

3. Sun becomes black as sackcloth; Revelation 6:12; 8:12; 9:2; 16:10;Matthew 24:29, Isaiah 13:10; 24:23; Ezekiel 32:7; Joel 2:31, 3:15.

4. The moon becoming as blood corresponds to the darkening of the sun.

5. Stars of Heaven falling to the earth concerning withe sun and moon but only two times speak of falling to earth; during the 6 th seal and immediately after the tribulation.

6. The Heaven departed as a scroll Revelation 20:11; 21:1; Revelation 8:1,10,13;9:1.

7. Every mountain and island were moved out of their places Revelation 16:20 was a like process of change.
They do not pass away for men cry for them to fall upon them Revelation 6:17.
8. The great day of his wrath is come is the wrath of the lamb before the 7th seal Revelation 6:17 not God 16:1-2 the time of the vials.
This Wrath is mother same as Romans 2:5, 14-15 final judgement 20:11-15.
The trumpet judgements are from the last of the first half of the tribulation to the middle of the tribulation Revelation 12 where the dragon (Satan) is handing over the reign for him to start his beast kingdom Revelation 13:1-3.

9. Just because there are similar signs doesn't mean that the 6th seal can be moved out of its place of the 1st half of the tribulation and put into the 2nd half at the end of the tribulation. Jerry kelso

 

[BABerean2]

Revelation 12:4-5; can be a historical context that reflects the Great confrontation between the Messiah and Satan.
John had already seen the birth to ascension back before the church officially began.
Israel did birth the Messiah and her child grew to a man and was caught up to God and his throne and he was to rule back then Isaiah 9:6, but the nation of Israel rejected the Messiah Matthew 23:37-39.
The problem is that the time favor of Revelation is found in Revelation 1:19. So this a future picture in fulfillment.
This whole chapter is happening in real time in the middle of the tribulation.
The sun clothed woman and the dragon are not in the past in fulfillment for the dragon is chasing her into the wilderness by Satan.

The text above is literally double-talk.

Either the beginning of Revelation chapter 12 is a history including the birth and death of Christ, or it is not.

Psalm 2 proves that the manchild who is to rule with an iron rod is Christ.
Satan did fall before the birth of Christ. Satan did use Herod to try and kill the Messiah.
Joseph did take the baby Jesus and his wife to Egypt to escape those trying to destroy the Christ-child.


You cannot have it both ways.

It also happens after the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18.
Your perfect chronology disintegrates after that point.

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[jerry kelso]

The text above is literally double-talk.

Either the beginning of Revelation chapter 12 is a history including the birth and death of Christ, or it is not.

Psalm 2 proves that the manchild who is to rule with an iron rod is Christ.
Satan did fall before the birth of Christ. Satan did use Herod to try and kill the Messiah.
Joseph did take the baby Jesus and his wife to Egypt to escape those trying to destroy the Christ-child.


You cannot have it both ways.

It also happens after the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18.
Your perfect chronology disintegrates after that point.

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baberean2,

1. What part of fulfillment don't you understand?
Christ being the Manchild in that context is too general and is not in the future.
It really makes no sense to the context.
John already saw the birth and ascension.
The great confrontation between Christ and Satan ends at Armageddon which is future from this context which ends in the middle of the tribulation for the 7 heads are crowned only.
The beast kingdom begins and when Christ comes back he will fight the Antichrist beast kingdom and the nations.

2. I told you in another post that the time of the dead was before the Wrath of God Revelation 15:1-2 which is before the battle of Armageddon 16:16.
So it is not at the beginning of the the 7th trumpet angel sounding and neither is the rewards of the saints.
The time of the dead are in time for the rewards of the saints and both of these are before the saints come out of Heaven in Revelation 19 and before that time of the 7 vials of the Wrath of God.
So their is no contradiction in the proper context of the scripture. You are wrong again. Jerry kelso

 

[BABerean2]

I told you in another post that the time of the dead was before the Wrath of God Revelation 15:1-2 which is before the battle of Armageddon 16:16.
So it is not at the beginning of the the 7th trumpet angel sounding and neither is the rewards of the saints.

Rev 11:15　 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"　



Rev 11:18　 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."　

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[jerry kelso]

Rev 11:15　 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"　



Rev 11:18　 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."　

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baberean2,

All your giving your scriptures are of no value if you don't understand the context and how to properly reconcile the scriptures together properly. It is called rightly dividing the word.
You are leaving it up to what you think it looks like it says.
Paul said I die daily; most people think it means spiritual dying to self and has nothing to do with physical resurrection and that is why we have wrong doctrine in the church.
Revelation 11:15-18 is future reference to the time of the dead, the 1st resurrection which is before the 7 vials and and so they are resurrected to Heaven in time for the rewards of the saints and Marriage of the Lamb Revelation 19:7-10. They will come out of Heaven with the rest of the Old Testament and Church saints to do battle at Armageddon to save Israel and crush the nations.
So you are fishing in the dark with no line upon line or precept upon precept. Jerry kelso

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

Joh 5:24　 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.　



The Holy Spirit Falls on the Gentiles (Subtitle from the NKJV)

Act 10:44　 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.　

Act 10:45　 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.　

Act 10:46　 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered,　

Act 10:47　 "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?"　

Act 10:48　 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.

　

Joh 3:5　 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

These are not scriptures that tells you how to go about receiving the holy spirit. And it's not found in John 3 either, that's merely an introduction on being born again.

John 3:5-6King James Version (KJV)
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

It's impossible for anyone to know God until he receives the indwelling of holy spirit and God makes His home in you. Anyone that claims to have the holy spirit and is still willfully practicing sin is calling God a failure. When God is inside you, you will not wish to submit to sin.

1 Timothy 2:3-4King James Version (KJV)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

God desires all man not just to be saved but to have knowledge of the truth. If God is truly within you, you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. (John 8:32) Free from deceptions and the submission to the sins of the flesh. Unless you're free, you're not saved.

Easy way to know who's saved and who's not is by reading what they constantly write. (Luke 6:45). You will know them by their fruits. The bad fruits will be cut down and thrown into the fire. (Matthew 7:15-20). These fruits are not saved. There are good fruits and bad fruits, good figs and bad figs, true christians and professing christians. You must run the race and be sanctify that Paul spoke of, otherwise you're just kidding yourself.

How long did you have to run the race before you were saved?
What happened on that day that let you know you were finally saved?

It happened in one day to those in the household of Cornelius.

You seem to be confused about the process of being "born again" through receiving the Holy Spirit.

When did you receive the Holy Spirit?　

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Try answering the questions I posted first before attempting to turn the table around to weasel your way out of a jam. Please answer them because I already have answers to your questions and would love to reply.

How does that expound on the parable of the 10 virgins? Please explain what the parable means.

Please also explain the difference between the new covenant church and the old covenant church. Just make it all up as you go along.

One last thing. What's a real member and a fake member of the new covenant church?

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

God

He called me at the age of fifteen to study the Bible as one day I would teach it.

No He did not, unless the god you're listening to isn't Yahweh. You need to test the spirit. God will not tell you anything that contradicts the bible and will certainly not tell you the seals and trumpets are concurrent and overlap each other.

Revelation 8:1-2King James Version (KJV)
1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

It's clearly stated in Revelation 8:1-2 the trumpets will not sound till after the 7th seal is opened.

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

What angels were seen after the 7th seal was opened?
the seven angels

What angels did John see at the start of Revelation 7?
four angels
When John wanted to refer to this group again, then what did he say?
the four angels

So when did John see that group of seven angels for the first time?
Revelation 15:1 "....seven angels..."
Revelation 8:2 "....the seven angels..."
Revelation is not given to us in the same order that it was given to John.

Back at the first part of Revelation, how did John introduce the subjects of the visions? a great voice...the voice....seven golden candlesticks....seven stars....the seven candlesticks....the seven stars....
How about later?
a woman....the woman
a great red dragon.....the dragon
a beast...the beast

We need to watch John's grammar clues if we want to understand Revelation.
Revelation 10 shows that before he ate the little open book/chapters 16-22, he had to make other parts into the mystery of God. make it obscure/hide it
They were not for John's day, and would be made into a puzzle...visions would be
given to us out of their proper order.

No He did not, unless the god you're listening to isn't Yahweh. You need to test the spirit. God will not tell you anything that contradicts the bible and will certainly not tell you the seals and trumpets are concurrent and overlap each other.

Revelation 8:1-2King James Version (KJV)
1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

It's clearly stated in Revelation 8:1-2 the trumpets will not sound till after the 7th seal is opened.

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

The disciples that were with Jesus Christ at the time did not just ask Him one
question...such as to the great tribulation events only. They wanted to know
about the end of the world. In Matthew 24 we hear of many coming events...time passes....and then we learn of what will occur once the great tribulation is over.
After that, we switch to a new time of the future....when heaven and earth shall pass away......all the way into Matthew 25 that begins...."Then shall...."
Matthew 24:35
"Heaven and earth shall pass away....v 26.....that day....25:1...."Then shall...ten virgins...talents....sheep....goats...

Mark 13:31
"Heaven and earth shall pass away....v32....that day....Watch....v35...for ye know no when...v37 ...Watch.

The ten virgins are for the hour and day not known by man. This parable shows that they all had lit lamps, and then the wise were not able to give up some of their oil, because they did not know the time as to the day and the hour. It says. "lest, there not be enough for us". They tell the others to go to those that sell, and buy.
If this was the great tribulation time, then the foolish virgins would need the mark of the beast and what good would a lit lamp do them after that?
The people in Matthew 25 are those that will still be alive at the end of this world.
They will not die the first death, but be judged as sheep and goats/wheat and tares.
The goats/tares will be burned/everlasting punishment.

Matthew 13:49
"So shall it be at the end of the world....sever the wicked from the just."
This is from a parable as to the field of the world and how people grow in it.
They keep growing in it until the time to split them apart before the new earth
comes. These people do not come from hell, nor heaven. As shown in Matthew 25, the sheep/the righteous will inherit the kingdom and the goats will not. This is the kingdom of God present on the new earth, not the 1000 years reign of Jesus Christ on the earth. People then will still be in flesh and blood bodies that have never died, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

No He did not, unless the god you're listening to isn't Yahweh. You need to test the spirit. God will not tell you anything that contradicts the bible and will certainly not tell you the seals and trumpets are concurrent and overlap each other.

Revelation 8:1-2King James Version (KJV)
1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

It's clearly stated in Revelation 8:1-2 the trumpets will not sound till after the 7th seal is opened.

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

How long did you have to run the race before you were saved?
What happened on that day that let you know you were finally saved?

It happened in one day to those in the household of Cornelius.

Read below. How long was Cornelius honoring God before he received the holy spirit? I can tell you for a fact he didn't give to the poor and prayed to God after one day and than received the holy spirit. When God decides to come live with you, that only takes a minute and you're instantly baptized and filled with the holy ghost.

Acts 10:1-2King James Version (KJV)
1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

 

[BABerean2]

Read below. How long was Cornelius honoring God before he received the holy spirit? I can tell you for a fact he didn't give to the poor and prayed to God after one day and than received the holy spirit. When God decides to come live with you, that only takes a minute and you're instantly baptized and filled with the holy ghost.

Acts 10:1-2King James Version (KJV)
1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

Do you think Cornelius had eternal life because of his works on the day before he heard the Gospel and was filled with the Holy Spirit?

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[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[jerry kelso]

Why do you think the definite article was used in Revelation 8:2?
the seven angels
It means they were already in action before this verse.
What did they do?
They sealed the 144,000 as the set of "we" angels.
What happens after a sealing is done?
The ones that did it go report back to God to tell Him what they did.
What happened?
John saw the seven angels stand before God and tell the numbers report as to how many they had sealed back when they had been on earth.

Revelation 8:2 "....the seven angels which stood before God
/all a past event

vinsight4u,

1. Revelation 8:2 was after the sealing of the 144,000 Jews.
Revelation 7:1 the 4 angels were standing on the 4 corners of the earth not before God.
Revelation 7:2; the other angel was ascending from the east and cries aloud to the 4 angels not before God.
The 144,000 Jews have to be sealed before Revelation 9:4.

2. The 7th seal involves the 7th trumpet angels preparation to sound for it is a Jewish Yom Kippur Service.
You need to learn the Jewish context of being purged in the tribulation Daniel 9:24-27.
You have to understand the difference between the Wrath of the Lamb in the 6th seal and the Wrath of God in the 7 seals which is upon the beast kingdom worshippers Revelation 16:2. Jerry kelso

 

[jerry kelso]

Sealing took place back in the time of Ezekiel 9. After it was done, a report was given to God by the one that sealed the people.

According to Ezekiel 7, what time was it then?
four corners upon the land

What did that mean in Ezekiel 7?
It meant that it was time to send the worst of the heathen against the land of
Israel to destroy.

What heathen? How did he destroy Israel?
Nebuchadnezzar II ....and by using different methods/just like the 4th seal time of
Revelation 6

vinsight4u,

1. Just because of similarities doesn't mean it is a future fulfillment of the 4th seal.
You have no proof but conjecture and opinion upon generalizations.
Jerry kelso

 

[jerry kelso]

Habakkuk 2 gives us a prophecy about a proud Chaldean man, what was his
name?
death and desires to be as hell
/4th seal names of Revelation 6

What does the prophecy say he will do?
gather the nations

In Revelation 21, we find one of the seven angels being mentioned as had one of the seven vials - full. Does this mean he had yet to pour it?
No, because John was just identifying him to the reader by what he saw him do
the last time he saw him. He was one of the seven angels that had the seven last plagues.

This is the same case with the seven angels in Revelation 8. John tells us what set has shown up -not that then get trumpets and sound them.

4th seal rider - gathers the nations
5th seal - great tribulation
6th seal - end of trib
resurrection of the just/rapture

7th seal - silence in heaven
return of the seven angels set
Why? It is time for them to soon go and pour out the vials full of God's wrath.

But John placed the trumpets story in Revelation 8 to get it started?
No, the trumpets actually sound at the end of Revelation 15 and then men can
enter into the temple in heaven...as shown in Rev. 7. men are seen inside of the temple

What about the smoke time in Rev. 8?
It links back to Rev. 15 and its smoke time too.
Rev. 8 tells how it was done, and Rev. 15 tells why.
They are the same time.

It actually goes - Rev. 7:1 four angels - the four angels
another angel ascending from the east/as in he is not the first one of this group, but the last one. He carries with him the trees plague. Why do they carry plagues?
Because the set of "we" angels will give them - to whom it was given - to the set of four angels to cause the chaos as the trumpets sound, The set of "we" angels will return to heaven, stand before God, give their report as to how many they had sealed on the earth, get trumpets, sound them - and the first trumpet will bring the
plague against the trees. The trees being harmed by the set of four angels still on the earth.
"to whom it was given to hurt" given /delivered/handed off
earth, sea, trees

vinsight4u,

1. Conjecture and misunderstanding of the context.

2. Revelation 21 is about the New Heaven and the New Earth which is after the tribulation and the 1000 year millennium and the final revolt at Gog and Magog which is a different battle than Armageddon Revelation 16:16.
Revelation 21 is also after the 2nd Resurrection which is the second death and the Great White Throne Judgement. It is when God is all in all 1 Corinthians 15:28.

3. The seals explain the rise of the Antichrist.
I understand that position of the seals being an outline of the tribulation but it doesn't work. Why? Because the seals are opened and done with before the trumpets sound and they are all blown before the 7 vials will be poured out.
Many point out the similarities in the judgements of the trumpets and the vials and say they work alongside each other or the same events just the picture is enlarged.
Some explain this as the trumpets contained in the seventh seal and the seven vials contained in the 7th trumpet.
If this is true there is no unveiling of revelation shortly to come to pass and there is no object for the 7 trumpets and vials.
There is no proof of scripture that shows that the trumpets are at the same time as the vials in the second half of Jacob's trouble.
The 7 trumpets are blown before the 7 vials are poured out.
Revelation 15:1-2 is the resurrection of the dead of the 1st resurrection Revelation 20:4-6. They are raptured in time for the rewards of the saints Revelation 11:18 and the Marriage of the Lamb Revelation 19:7-10.
The Wrath of the Lamb and the Wrath of God are separate, different, and one is in the middle of the tribulation (Wrath of the Lamb) and at the end of the tribulation the (Wrath of God). Jerry kelso

 

[BABerean2]

The 7th seal involves the 7th trumpet angels preparation to sound for it is a Jewish Yom Kippur Service.
You need to learn the Jewish context of being purged in the tribulation Daniel 9:24-27.

From the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Nelson Darby showed up on our shores about the time of the Civil War.

Daniel 9:27

And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Who Confirmed The Covenant?
James Lloyd
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023

A Baptist speaks on the History of Dispensationalism in America
Ernest Reisinger
http://founders.org/fj09/the-history-of-dispensationalism-in-america/

PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf

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[jerry kelso]

From the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Nelson Darby showed up on our shores about the time of the Civil War.

Daniel 9:27

And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

......................................................................................
Who Confirmed The Covenant?
James Lloyd
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023

A Baptist speaks on the History of Dispensationalism in America
Ernest Reisinger
http://founders.org/fj09/the-history-of-dispensationalism-in-america/

PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf

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baberean2,

1. First of all, the word dispensation just means "stewardship".
Paul uses this word about Grace.
Covenant theologians may not use the word but they still have to admit God dealt with men in different ways and in different ways.
The Covenants and dispensations work hand in hand.
For example, the Law of Moses was basically 613 laws and 1000 or more other statutes and commandments. It was till the seed should come which was Messiah. That time frame is called a dispensation a period of time for people under that covenant.

2. Dispensationalism is built out of similar patterns of each age.
Your position is a- millennialism and that word is not in the Bible at all. Does that mean there is nothing after the first thousand years reign of the Kingdom? No!

3. You can be mad at the school of thought and debate certain just like your replacement theology and spiritual Jew theory.
All school of thoughts are most likely not perfect about every jot and tittle.

4. It is quite ironic that you accuse me of being a disciple and follower of Darby which was not really true in the first place.
And you accuse me of following men's traditions like I never study to see if what they say is true, which is a true Berean according to scripture.
Dispensationalism is a school of thought but Berean has taken a school of thought and has formed a denomination to peddle it.

5. You accuse me of being a follower of men and yet you are the one posting all your berean teachers, baptists who down dispensationalism because somebody may have taught it wrong in the first place and the brethren movement etc.
This is nothing less than a demonstration of outright hypocrisy.
The evidence weighs much more against you than I about following traditions of men.
The whole of your posting is a writing contradiction.
Your one side fits all throws the baby out with the bath water and your tunnel vision keeps you in the dark. Step into the light and please quit being so antagonistic.
I don't like your system of the Berean doctrine but I am not out to club you to death over it.
I am concerned about proper hermeneutics to rightly dividing the word. Jerry kelso