Revelation 20 and the so-called millennial reign

[Grip Docility]

If you start with Revelation 1:1, the fact is you cannot include the "OT".
However, if you want to, I'm leaving it that way.

You have to include the OT. The OT isn't done being fulfilled. Revelation is a perspective of all scripture from the perspective of Infinity. It is more of a prophetic bookshelf, than the book to discern prophecy from. It spans all scripture in it's volume.

To be direct, it is one of the most Jewish books in scripture. It almost reads as gibberish, if it wasn't for all other books. It is only through all scripture that it begins to make sense.

 

[CoreyD]

I want to make this clear. I never "guess". I read entire books and cross ref. them before I conclude any matter. You could go through my Hebrews study and see how very slow I move.

That is great to hear.
I believe you as well.

I refuse to guess. Tombs broke open after Jesus' Resurrection which is the exact sign of the first resurrection. True doctrine of A-Mil followers don't agree with my current synopsis and because I am "A-mil" on any level, Pre-Mil believers don't like what I have to say, either. I just don't care. I have studied these matters out to the point of metaphorical Mental Bleeding, Spiritual Pleading and such forth... so I just go where scripture affirms and acknowledge that I will never know it all, so I must continue to dig through scripture 1 book at a time, in frame of all books.

Great! I want to take this up with you - a real study of scripture, with the exclusion of preconceived ideas.
Lets "dig through scripture" point by point, and "just go where scripture affirms".
Will you join me in a thread where we really get our shovels, put on our boots and gloves, and go as deep as possible?

 

[CoreyD]

You have to include the OT. The OT isn't done being fulfilled. Revelation is a perspective of all scripture from the perspective of Infinity.

Scripture, please.

It is more of a prophetic bookshelf, than the book to discern prophecy from. It spans all scripture in it's volume.

Scripture please.

To be direct, it is one of the most Jewish books in scripture. It almost reads as gibberish, if it wasn't for all other books. It is only through all scripture that it begins to make sense.

All scripture is God breathed. All scripture needs to harmonize. 2 Timothy 3:16, 17

 

[Grip Docility]

That is great to hear.
I believe you as well.


Great! I want to take this up with you - a real study of scripture, with the exclusion of preconceived ideas.
Lets "dig through scripture" point by point, and "just go where scripture affirms".
Will you join me in a thread where we really get our shovels, put on our boots and gloves, and go as deep as possible?

I need a distraction from my "Hebrews it" study. It is DEEEEEEEEEEEEEP! It does my soul well to bounce back and forth. Neither of us is bound to take the same stance. Where do you want to start? One big question... Do you affirm that Jesus bled for Omnis creation with the intent for His blood to cover Omnis Humanity?

 

[Grip Docility]

Scripture, please.


Scripture please.


All scripture is God breathed. All scripture needs to harmonize. 2 Timothy 3:16, 17

You just gave the scripture that goes with your request for quotation.

Corey.... I'm a nightmare. If it doesn't line up from Gen to Rev, I erase the drawing board.

 

[CoreyD]

I need a distraction from my "Hebrews it" study. It is DEEEEEEEEEEEEEP! It does my soul well to bounce back and forth. Neither of us is bound to take the same stance. Where do you want to start?

I'll let you know.

One big question... Do you affirm that Jesus bled for Omnis creation with the intent for His blood to cover Omnis Humanity?

Jesus bled for with the intent for His blood to cover ???

You just gave the scripture that goes with your request for quotation.

Corey.... I'm a nightmare. If it doesn't line up from Gen to Rev, I erase the drawing board.

I'm asking for scripture that says Revelation is "a perspective of all scripture from the perspective of Infinity". 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 does not say that.

I'm asking for scripture that says Revelation "spans all scripture in it's volume". 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 does not say that.

I can be a terror. If it's not scripture, then it's an inserted idea.

 

[Grip Docility]

I'll let you know.

Awesome

Jesus bled for with the intent for His blood to cover ???

Omnis is Latin. Omnis: The entirety of Humanity from the lineage of Adam and Eve to the End of all things as they are now.

I'm asking for scripture that says Revelation is "a perspective of all scripture from the perspective of Infinity". 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 does not say that.

John is seeing from a Heavenly perspective, which is the Infinite Realm of God. God is Infinite, ie.. No beginning and No end. John is seeing from a perspective that is beyond what we call time. John is perpetually expressing that he is getting moved around and then "Shown things" visibly, under impression of THE SPIRIT.

@CoreyD I've already had to define Omnis for you when you could have copied and pasted it into a language search.
Do I need to exegete the entire book of Rev for you, also? If you've read the book from cover to cover several times, shouldn't you know how John is in the Spirit and being swept in VISION all over God's Green earth and beyond, and specifically told to write what he is being SHOWN?

What gives?

I'm asking for scripture that says Revelation "spans all scripture in it's volume". 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 does not say that.

I can be a terror. If it's not scripture, then it's an inserted idea.

Which "Books" of the Bible would you say that 2 Timothy 2:13,14,15,16,17 applies to?

 

[Jan001]

The "millennial reign" is figurative of the church age, where the first resurrection is from eternal death into eternal life at the new birth.

Please explain what you mean by "at the new birth?" Thank you.

 

[Clare73]

Please explain what you mean by "at the new birth?" Thank you.

The sovereign new birth is stated in Jn 3:3-8.

It is the sovereign impartation of eternal life, the "raising" from spiritual death to Spiritual life of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jan001]

The sovereign new birth is stated in Jn 3:3-8.

It is the sovereign impartation of eternal life, the "raising" from spiritual death to Spiritual life of the Holy Spirit.

Thank you for your clarification.

Jesus is actually speaking about the baptism that he commanded in Matthew 28:18-20.

Jn 3:3-8
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Faith and baptism is what first saves us. Baptism is what makes us born of the Spirit (born of water and the Spirit).

Mark 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

Ephesians 5:26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

1 Peter 3:21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Time will tell whether you are correct or whether I am correct about baptism. We will each find out when we die.

 

[Clare73]

Thank you for your clarification.

Jesus is actually speaking about the baptism that he commanded in Matthew 28:18-20.

Jn 3:3-8
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

You don't understand the meaning of "The wind blows wherever it pleases. . .you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going.
So it is with everyone born of the Holy Spirit."

 

[Jan001]

You don't understand the meaning of "The wind blows wherever it pleases. . .you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going.
So it is with everyone born of the Holy Spirit."

I think it means that the Holy Spirit, like the wind, does as he pleases.

I do know that some people receive greater measures of faith and grace from the Holy Spirit than others.

1 Corinthians 12:11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.

Romans 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith;

Hebrews 3:7-8
Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,

We will agree to disagree. I understand your viewpoint and you now understand mine, and so there isn't any purpose in continuing this particular conversation.

 

[Clare73]

I think it means that the Holy Spirit, like the wind, does as he pleases.

I do know that some people receive greater measures of faith and grace from the Holy Spirit than others.

Is the topic faith or rebirth in Jn 3:3-8?