Judas was saved and then lost his salvation

[ToBeLoved]

Maybe the entire Christian world is confused about what 'salvation' means.

http://www.bethimmanuel.org/audio/what-salvation

A link, how much you are able to express your own thoughts. I think I'll pass.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Just because you don't understand something or the truth shatters your views doesn't mean it is not there .

"...Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace ofGod." (Acts 14:23)

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."

Acts 20:32
And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified"

Hebrews 12:15
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;"

Hebrews 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto theSpirit of grace?

They are talking about the Law people infiltrating the church and trying to turn them back to the Old Covenent and not to the New Covenent in Christ. Who is the circumcision party trying to circumcise a Gentile, a Greek.

Galatians 2:3-4
3 Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. 4This issue arose because some false brothers were brought in under false pretenses to spy on our freedom in Christ Jesus, in order to enslave us. 5We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.

Acts 15:1
Then some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."

Acts 15:24
It has come to our attention that some went out from us without our authorization and unsettled your minds by what they said.

Romans 8:15
For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!"

Galatians 1:7
which is not even a gospel. Evidently some people are troubling you and trying to distort the gospel of Christ.

It was common in the apostles time.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

Judas was never Born Again. That is why Jesus could "lose" him. And that is why Judas was able to be possessed by Satan. Anyone who is Born Again has the Holy Spirit living inside their body (the only temple of God's Spirit on earth) and He lives WITH their spirit INSIDE and AROUND their soul. The Holy Spirit is the "irrevocable" Gift of God. Anyone who is Born Again CANNOT "lose their salvation" because God CANNOT and WILL NOT take back the Gift He has given This is why Judas was the son of perdition....because He never was POSSESSED by the Holy Spirit....he was never 'Born Again'... he was only influenced by God, not POSSESSED by Him. Peter was the first to be Born Again. Read John 20:22. Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to DWELL INSIDE men only AFTER His bodily resurrection from death. You CANNOT 'lose your salvation' because Jesus IS your salvation, living by His Spirit, inside you. Once Jesus is allowed to take the center throne of your heart and soul, God Himself KEEPS you 'saved' and will save you forever. A true Child of God cannot EVER go back to being a dead, non-child of God. Once you go LIGHT it is God's Light, and you cannot go Dark. Jesus just said "Make SURE the light in you is not darkness."

 

[sdowney717]

Agree Judas was never saved.
Jesus called Judas a devil.
When Satan spoke through Peter, Christ said He had prayed for Peter and he would be turned back to Christ.
When Satan speaks through Judas, there is no mention of Christ praying for Judas.

Christ intercedes only for the people of God, the saints, not for those of Satan and the world.

John 17
9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.

 

[sdowney717]

In John 17, Judas was not present, satan had entered Judas and he was gone to the chief priests to betray Christ to them.
Verse 1, when Jesus had spoken John 17, occurs immediately afterwards.
Judas was not around for a significant amount of Christ's teachings to His true disciples.
Judas also departed at the last supper and was not present for over half of that, including the verse about the blood of the NC, Christ's blood shed for them..

John 18New King James Version (NKJV)
Betrayal and Arrest in Gethsemane
1 When Jesus had spoken these words, He went out with His disciples over the Brook Kidron, where there was a garden, which He and His disciples entered. 2 And Judas, who betrayed Him, also knew the place; for Jesus often met there with His disciples. 3 Then Judas, having received a detachment of troops, and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, came there with lanterns, torches, and weapons. 4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that would come upon Him, went forward and said to them, “Whom are you seeking?”

 

[ToBeLoved]

Judas was never Born Again. That is why Jesus could "lose" him. And that is why Judas was able to be possessed by Satan. Anyone who is Born Again has the Holy Spirit living inside their body (the only temple of God's Spirit on earth) and He lives WITH their spirit INSIDE and AROUND their soul. The Holy Spirit is the "irrevocable" Gift of God. Anyone who is Born Again CANNOT "lose their salvation" because God CANNOT and WILL NOT take back the Gift He has given This is why Judas was the son of perdition....because He never was POSSESSED by the Holy Spirit....he was never 'Born Again'... he was only influenced by God, not POSSESSED by Him. Peter was the first to be Born Again. Read John 20:22. Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to DWELL INSIDE men only AFTER His bodily resurrection from death. You CANNOT 'lose your salvation' because Jesus IS your salvation, living by His Spirit, inside you. Once Jesus is allowed to take the center throne of your heart and soul, God Himself KEEPS you 'saved' and will save you forever. A true Child of God cannot EVER go back to being a dead, non-child of God. Once you go LIGHT you cannot go BLACK.

Yes. I agree. If Judas had the Holy Spirit then satan could not have entered him. Good point.

Very good post, I agree with the whole thing.

 

[sparow]

Judas was once saved and then lost his salvation. This understanding defeats once and for all the false doctrine of eternal security or perseverance of the saints as it is taught by many.

1. Judas once belonged to the Father and was given to Jesus. Jesus said this when he was speaking of the twelve apostles in John 17,

“I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me;...” John 17:6


“Thine they were”, past tense, Judas was included in that.


2. Jesus called Judas one of “HIS” twelve disciples as we read;


“And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples”

Matthew 10:1

Notice first, that all twelves of the disciples were “HIS”. They all belonged to Jesus, and none of them belonged to the devil at this time. Matthew did not lie when he wrote this, Nor was Jesus ignorant of who were HIS apostles. They were all HIS, (Judas included).


3. Jesus gave all HIS twelve disciples power, Judas included,

“he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. Matthew 10:1

Here we see that all twelve of the apostles, (Judas included), were given power. And this power included casting out devils. This shows that Judas was not a devil at this time, for Satan cannot cast out Satan, as Jesus told us. And Judas had power to heal as well.


4. Judas was an apostle,

“Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter,...and Judas Iscariot, ...” Matthew 10:2-4

An apostle is a sent one of God and a high calling. This is a gift from God to believers. Notice that all TWELVE were called apostles including Judas, not just the other eleven.


5. Judas was sent forth and ordained,


“These twelve Jesus sent forth,...”

Matthew 10:5

“And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,” Mark 3:14


Jesus sent all twelve of them forth to preach, Judas included. Jesus also equipped all of them to preach, Judas included. He “ORDAINED” them also, Judas included. To be ordained means that he recognized all of them and approved of them, Judas included.


6. Judas freely received and could cast out devils, heal the sick, cleanse lepers, raise the dead, so he could also freely give as well.

“And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.” Matthew 10:7,8

This shows that he was a partaker of this ministry, obtaining part of the ministry like the others. To obtain means he was able to minister.


“...concerning Judas ...For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. “ Acts 1:17

To obtain part of the ministry you must minister, and the ministry Judas had was spoken of in Matthew 10 and Mark 3.


7. Jesus called Judas one of his sheep! THIS IS A BIG POINT!!

“These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying .... go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ...Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves...” Matthew 10:16

This was spoken to the twelve apostles, and Judas was one of the twelve sent as a sheep to the lost sheep. This shows that Judas was saved and had eternal life at this time, because he was a sheep of Jesus. And if he was lost, how could he help the lost sheep? Jesus said his sheep hear his voice and they know him. Judas was as a sheep amidst wolves, showing that Judas wasn't a wolf then.

“ My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life” John 10:27,28

Judas heard his voice and followed him and was a sheep as Jesus said, and so he had eternal life at the beginning of his ministry. Only the biased reader would ignore this


8. Judas had the peace of God to give to others, this was spoken to the twelve, Judas included,

“...let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.” Matthew 10:13


9. He also had the Spirit of the Father speaking in him, spoken to the twelve Judas included,

“For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.” Matthew 10:20

10. Judas belonged to the household of Jesus, as we read here spoken to the twelve Judas included.

“them of his household?” Matthew 10:25


11. Judas also was a familiar friend of Jesus once and was trusted by Jesus,

“ Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.” Psalms 41:9

Jesus told us that Psalm 41:9 was referring to Judas going against him,

“...but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.’ John 13:8

This proves that Judas was not always a devil or thief as some say. He was once trusted and a familiar friend of Jesus.

Jesus does not call devils familiar friends, and he does not trust them.


12. He was blotted out of the book of life. In Acts 1 we read,

“concerning Judas...For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.... For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.” Acts 1:16-20

The Psalm mentioned here, refers to Judas,

“Let their habitation be desolate... Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.” Psalms 69:25,28

He was once in the book of life with the righteous and then blotted out. So he was once saved and had eternal life then lost it.


13. He fell by transgression, showing that he was not always fallen. But rather that he fell at a certain point in time. And he fell by transgression, it was his own will and choice.

“That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell “ Acts 1:25


14. He betrayed Jesus at a certain point in time,

“Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.” “Matthew 26:48


To “betray”, means to once have the trust and to go against that trust, as Judas did. He could not have betrayed that trust if he was always a devil. Because Jesus doesn’t trust devils.

Near the end of Jesus ministry he said Judas was a devil, but this he spoke of Judas who should betray him, future tense. We read about this near the end of Jesus ministry in John 6:71. And “then Satan entered into him.” Luke 22:3, this , was at the end of Jesus ministry not at the beginning as we saw already.

So Judas fell away and lost his salvation.


so to sum up just some of the points

1. Judas Belonged to the Father before given to Jesus
2. Judas was a disciple of Jesus at the beginning
3. Judas was an apostle
4. Judas was a a sheep sent to the lost sheep
5. Judas was given power to cast out devils, raise the dead heal the sick ( and satan cannot cast put Satan as jesus said)
6. Judas had the peace of God to give
7. Judas was a familiar friend of Jesus whom he once trusted
8. Judas had the Spirit of the Father speaking in him when needed
9. Judas was written in the book of life once
10. Judas fell by transgression, and was blotted out

This event in Matthew and Mark and other places is describing an event that started before Jesus died on the cross Jesus told them not to go to the gentiles or samaritans in another place and so this was not after the resurrection. Although some principles can apply to all who are sent out for all times. This was an actual event were they went out and cast ou deals etc. We read about this story in Luke as well where Jesus sent men out to cast out devils etc and they cam back and rejoiced that the devils were subject unto them and jesus said don't rejoice in this but that their names were written in the Lambs bok of life. This shows that they were saved before the cross and yet many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him n John 6:66. This shows that some of those whom were once in the book of life went away and lost salvation.

Judas was a fulfiller of prophesy, his role was decided before he was born, Judas may never have under judgement.

Something is always achieved when prophesy is fulfilled; how do we benefit from Judas's action, which was strange as though the Pharisees didn't know who Jesus was.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Judas was a fulfiller of prophesy, his role was decided before he was born, Judas may never have under judgement.

Something is always achieved when prophesy is fulfilled; how do we benefit from Judas's action, which was strange as though the Pharisees didn't know who Jesus was.

God says He knew us all before we were. God is Omniscient, God knows all at the same time, past, present and future. Time is a construct of the earth and our lives here.

 

[sparow]

God says He knew us all before we were. God is Omniscient, God knows all at the same time, past, present and future. Time is a construct of the earth and our lives here.

I should warn you, I am an expert on time. Time is not normally a construct it is to do with intelligence and cognition; it has the same existence as length, volume, height, thought and reason; as a construct time is essential to reality; we are real because we are able to think we are real and thinking takes time; meaning thought is measured by time as is reality; without time a thought would not know it's beginning from it's end; when Jesus said, "I am the first and the last" , He refers to the interval in between, which is called "the day of the Lord." Normally a day is a unit if time but in the "day of the Lord" the day is measured by time: 2000+ years, precounted in Revelation.

Now to tie this in with Judas, the prophesy was to do with betrayal and not specifically the person; but the person had to be in Jesus's trust or confidence. The Judas event has to have major ramifications, could it be a type for which there will be an anti-type; we know that Elijah will precede Christ's second coming maybe Judas will have a part also.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

Yes. I agree. If Judas had the Holy Spirit then satan could not have entered him. Good point.

Very good post, I agree with the whole thing.

YOU GOT IT! Jesus said "A thief must FIRST bind the strong man in the house before he can rob it." Now we know Satan is stronger than our own spirit, but if (since) we have the Holy Spirit of Christ inside us as the TRULY STRONG MAN within our "house", Satan CANNOT posses the house in which Christ lives!!! He may still try, shooting flaming darts into our minds, but that's just like black birds nesting in a tree. They CANNOT Corrupt the Water within the Root! Blackbirds cannot kill the Branch itself! Praise God, we have the Holy Spirit forever!!

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

I should warn you, I am an expert on time. Time is not normally a construct it is to do with intelligence and cognition; it has the same existence as length, volume, height, thought and reason; as a construct time is essential to reality; we are real because we are able to think we are real and thinking takes time; meaning thought is measured by time as is reality; without time a thought would not know it's beginning from it's end; when Jesus said, "I am the first and the last" , He refers to the interval in between, which is called "the day of the Lord." Normally a day is a unit if time but in the "day of the Lord" the day is measured by time: 2000+ years, precounted in Revelation.

Now to tie this in with Judas, the prophesy was to do with betrayal and not specifically the person; but the person had to be in Jesus's trust or confidence. The Judas event has to have major ramifications, could it be a type for which there will be an anti-type; we know that Elijah will precede Christ's second coming maybe Judas will have a part also.

Jesus is the Lord of time itself. He said "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:8). He can live within or without times boundaries. In fact, HE DOES! Even in the Bible, we see the Spirit instantly translating people to other places around the world. For example, Enoch and Elijah were snatched up out of the earth, into Heaven. Jesus appeared, walking on the water towards the boat with the disciples, and when He finished speaking with them, they were instantly translated to the opposite shore of the lake/sea (John 6:21). Philip was translated out into the dessert to preach to the Ethiopian Eunuch, and then was instantly translated away from him instantly by the Holy Spirit (Act 8:39). Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1 BOTH say the Word WAS (already) in the beginning (when time began). That means God and Christ existed BEFORE creation began, BEFORE "the beginning". He ALREADY WAS. And when is done, He will still BE. All of time, from it's beginning to it's end, is just a few breaths in the Eternal Life of God.

Now my own 2 cents....

Penny #1: I have personally experienced 2 supernatural "translations". Both were spiritual ("super-natural"). One was by God's hand, and the other was by Satan. God moved my car....Satan moved a bible I was reading. I can give more details if you wish, but I was the only person that I know of that experienced my car moving, but there were 3 other people who experienced the Bible being moved.

Penny #2: There is only 1 thing that is faster than light......SPIRIT! That is why you need the Holy Spirit to escape this corrupting universe, which is expanding outwards at the speed of light. You must travel FASTER than light to escape the universe's expanding boundaries. You must be "in the Spirit", like Jesus was when He was raised into the clouds and taken from their sight into heaven (The Ascension of Christ)

 

[sparow]

Jesus is the Lord of time itself. He said "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:8). He can live within or without times boundaries. In fact, HE DOES! Even in the Bible, we see the Spirit instantly translating people to other places around the world. For example, Enoch and Elijah were snatched up out of the earth, into Heaven. Jesus appeared, walking on the water towards the boat with the disciples, and when He finished speaking with them, they were instantly translated to the opposite shore of the lake/sea (John 6:21). Philip was translated out into the dessert to preach to the Ethiopian Eunuch, and then was instantly translated away from him instantly by the Holy Spirit (Act 8:39). Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1 BOTH say the Word WAS (already) in the beginning (when time began). That means God and Christ existed BEFORE creation began, BEFORE "the beginning". He ALREADY WAS. And when is done, He will still BE. All of time, from it's beginning to it's end, is just a few breaths in the Eternal Life of God.

Now my own 2 cents....

Penny #1: I have personally experienced 2 supernatural "translations". Both were spiritual ("super-natural"). One was by God's hand, and the other was by Satan. God moved my car....Satan moved a bible I was reading. I can give more details if you wish, but I was the only person that I know of that experienced my car moving, but there were 3 other people who experienced the Bible being moved.

Penny #2: There is only 1 thing that is faster than light......SPIRIT! That is why you need the Holy Spirit to escape this corrupting universe, which is expanding outwards at the speed of light. You must travel FASTER than light to escape the universe's expanding boundaries. You must be "in the Spirit", like Jesus was when He was raised into the clouds and taken from their sight into heaven (The Ascension of Christ)

Ultimately everything has to be rational and have a purpose even the supernatural.

I have had experiences I call my UFO experiences and these have been very strange indeed even though flying objects were not involved. Mohammed also had hallucinogenic experiences which he eventually concluded God was communicating with him, his first thoughts was that he was invaded by evil spirits. Reality is like a greased pig one has to concentrate to hang on.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Judas was never Born Again. That is why Jesus could "lose" him. And that is why Judas was able to be possessed by Satan. Anyone who is Born Again has the Holy Spirit living inside their body (the only temple of God's Spirit on earth) and He lives WITH their spirit INSIDE and AROUND their soul. The Holy Spirit is the "irrevocable" Gift of God. Anyone who is Born Again CANNOT "lose their salvation" because God CANNOT and WILL NOT take back the Gift He has given This is why Judas was the son of perdition....because He never was POSSESSED by the Holy Spirit....he was never 'Born Again'... he was only influenced by God, not POSSESSED by Him. Peter was the first to be Born Again. Read John 20:22. Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to DWELL INSIDE men only AFTER His bodily resurrection from death. You CANNOT 'lose your salvation' because Jesus IS your salvation, living by His Spirit, inside you. Once Jesus is allowed to take the center throne of your heart and soul, God Himself KEEPS you 'saved' and will save you forever. A true Child of God cannot EVER go back to being a dead, non-child of God. Once you go LIGHT it is God's Light, and you cannot go Dark. Jesus just said "Make SURE the light in you is not darkness."

Was Lucifer in the truth of God in the spirit when he was created perfect in all his ways?

Did Lucifer have a choice to remain with God or depart from God?

If Lucifer willingly went away from God ( and God does not empt any with sin) then if God spared not the angels that sinned he won't spare others who fall into unbelief and become hardened through the deceitfulness of sin ( Hebrews 3:12 and many many many other verses)

If Lucifer can once be a glorious being created perfect in all his was and good then fall and depart from the truth and now be headed for the lake of fire which was created after he fell and for the other fallen angels and all mankind who die in unbelief. Then this shows a being in God can turn and fall and go to damnation.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Judas was a fulfiller of prophesy, his role was decided before he was born, Judas may never have under judgement.

Something is always achieved when prophesy is fulfilled; how do we benefit from Judas's action, which was strange as though the Pharisees didn't know who Jesus was.

Matthew 10 says Judas was once a sheep sent to the lost sheep, as clear as it gets. He belonged to jesus and was one of HIS apostles not the devils child at that time..

it is clear in scripture to the unbiased reader

 

[sparow]

Matthew 10 says Judas was once a sheep sent to the lost sheep, as clear as it gets. He belonged to jesus and was one of HIS apostles not the devils child at that time..

it is clear in scripture to the unbiased reader

It is not clear to me what point you are trying to make; Judas was on of the group Jesus sent out to the lost sheep of Israel (not to the gentiles) and when they returned Judas was praise along with the rest of them. Judas's betrayal is a fulfilment of prophesy and most fulfilment of prophesy is vague and disputable but there was nothing vague the betrayal; it appears to me to be a part of something bigger than the story.

 

[LoveofTruth]

It is not clear to me what point you are trying to make; Judas was on of the group Jesus sent out to the lost sheep of Israel (not to the gentiles) and when they returned Judas was praise along with the rest of them. Judas's betrayal is a fulfilment of prophesy and most fulfilment of prophesy is vague and disputable but there was nothing vague the betrayal; it appears to me to be a part of something bigger than the story.

Jesus said he sent all 12 of them ( Judas included) as sheep to the LOST sheep. This shows that they were found sheep, not lost and not wolves ( Judas included) at the beginning of Judas ministry as an apostle, sent by God and ordained ( chosen called and sent) given power by Jesus to cast out devils and heal and to preach etc

Jesus said his sheep hear his voice and he knows them and I he gives unto them eternal life

 

[sparow]

Jesus said he sent all 12 of them ( Judas included) as sheep to the LOST sheep. This shows that they were found sheep, not lost and not wolves ( Judas included) at the beginning of Judas ministry as an apostle, sent by God and ordained ( chosen called and sent) given power by Jesus to cast out devils and heal and to preach etc

Jesus said his sheep hear his voice and he knows them and I he gives unto them eternal life

The lost sheep were only lost in the sense that they had forgotten God; I thought 70 were sent out; unless eternal life is a secret, eternal life is a promise for the future.

 

[LoveofTruth]

The lost sheep were only lost in the sense that they had forgotten God;.

chapter and verse for that thought?

they were lost, on their way to hell if they didn't repent. All we like sheep have gone astray....

but Jesus sent the apostles ( Judas included) as sheep in the midst of wolves to the lost sheep. They were also HIS disciples Judas included and not the devils, or any of them the devils ( including Judas) at that time, as scripture clearly teaches.


sometimes people have been taught a idea for so long by their teachers and that idea is just plain wrong. It is difficult to change wrong doctrine, but if we love the truth all things can be corrected. Judas was once saved and then fell by transgression.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Judas was once saved and then lost his salvation. This understanding defeats once and for all the false doctrine of eternal security or perseverance of the saints as it is taught by many.

1. Judas once belonged to the Father and was given to Jesus. Jesus said this when he was speaking of the twelve apostles in John 17,

“I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me;...” John 17:6


“Thine they were”, past tense, Judas was included in that.


2. Jesus called Judas one of “HIS” twelve disciples as we read;


“And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples”

Matthew 10:1

Notice first, that all twelves of the disciples were “HIS”. They all belonged to Jesus, and none of them belonged to the devil at this time. Matthew did not lie when he wrote this, Nor was Jesus ignorant of who were HIS apostles. They were all HIS, (Judas included).


3. Jesus gave all HIS twelve disciples power, Judas included,

“he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. Matthew 10:1

Here we see that all twelve of the apostles, (Judas included), were given power. And this power included casting out devils. This shows that Judas was not a devil at this time, for Satan cannot cast out Satan, as Jesus told us. And Judas had power to heal as well.


4. Judas was an apostle,

“Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter,...and Judas Iscariot, ...” Matthew 10:2-4

An apostle is a sent one of God and a high calling. This is a gift from God to believers. Notice that all TWELVE were called apostles including Judas, not just the other eleven.


5. Judas was sent forth and ordained,


“These twelve Jesus sent forth,...”

Matthew 10:5

“And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,” Mark 3:14


Jesus sent all twelve of them forth to preach, Judas included. Jesus also equipped all of them to preach, Judas included. He “ORDAINED” them also, Judas included. To be ordained means that he recognized all of them and approved of them, Judas included.


6. Judas freely received and could cast out devils, heal the sick, cleanse lepers, raise the dead, so he could also freely give as well.

“And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.” Matthew 10:7,8

This shows that he was a partaker of this ministry, obtaining part of the ministry like the others. To obtain means he was able to minister.


“...concerning Judas ...For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. “ Acts 1:17

To obtain part of the ministry you must minister, and the ministry Judas had was spoken of in Matthew 10 and Mark 3.


7. Jesus called Judas one of his sheep! THIS IS A BIG POINT!!

“These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying .... go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. ...Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves...” Matthew 10:16

This was spoken to the twelve apostles, and Judas was one of the twelve sent as a sheep to the lost sheep. This shows that Judas was saved and had eternal life at this time, because he was a sheep of Jesus. And if he was lost, how could he help the lost sheep? Jesus said his sheep hear his voice and they know him. Judas was as a sheep amidst wolves, showing that Judas wasn't a wolf then.

“ My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life” John 10:27,28

Judas heard his voice and followed him and was a sheep as Jesus said, and so he had eternal life at the beginning of his ministry. Only the biased reader would ignore this


8. Judas had the peace of God to give to others, this was spoken to the twelve, Judas included,

“...let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.” Matthew 10:13


9. He also had the Spirit of the Father speaking in him, spoken to the twelve Judas included,

“For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.” Matthew 10:20

10. Judas belonged to the household of Jesus, as we read here spoken to the twelve Judas included.

“them of his household?” Matthew 10:25


11. Judas also was a familiar friend of Jesus once and was trusted by Jesus,

“ Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.” Psalms 41:9

Jesus told us that Psalm 41:9 was referring to Judas going against him,

“...but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.’ John 13:8

This proves that Judas was not always a devil or thief as some say. He was once trusted and a familiar friend of Jesus.

Jesus does not call devils familiar friends, and he does not trust them.


12. He was blotted out of the book of life. In Acts 1 we read,

“concerning Judas...For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.... For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.” Acts 1:16-20

The Psalm mentioned here, refers to Judas,

“Let their habitation be desolate... Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.” Psalms 69:25,28

He was once in the book of life with the righteous and then blotted out. So he was once saved and had eternal life then lost it.


13. He fell by transgression, showing that he was not always fallen. But rather that he fell at a certain point in time. And he fell by transgression, it was his own will and choice.

“That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell “ Acts 1:25


14. He betrayed Jesus at a certain point in time,

“Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.” “Matthew 26:48


To “betray”, means to once have the trust and to go against that trust, as Judas did. He could not have betrayed that trust if he was always a devil. Because Jesus doesn’t trust devils.

Near the end of Jesus ministry he said Judas was a devil, but this he spoke of Judas who should betray him, future tense. We read about this near the end of Jesus ministry in John 6:71. And “then Satan entered into him.” Luke 22:3, this , was at the end of Jesus ministry not at the beginning as we saw already.

So Judas fell away and lost his salvation.


so to sum up just some of the points

1. Judas Belonged to the Father before given to Jesus
2. Judas was a disciple of Jesus at the beginning
3. Judas was an apostle
4. Judas was a a sheep sent to the lost sheep
5. Judas was given power to cast out devils, raise the dead heal the sick ( and satan cannot cast put Satan as jesus said)
6. Judas had the peace of God to give
7. Judas was a familiar friend of Jesus whom he once trusted
8. Judas had the Spirit of the Father speaking in him when needed
9. Judas was written in the book of life once
10. Judas fell by transgression, and was blotted out

This event in Matthew and Mark and other places is describing an event that started before Jesus died on the cross Jesus told them not to go to the gentiles or samaritans in another place and so this was not after the resurrection. Although some principles can apply to all who are sent out for all times. This was an actual event were they went out and cast ou deals etc. We read about this story in Luke as well where Jesus sent men out to cast out devils etc and they cam back and rejoiced that the devils were subject unto them and jesus said don't rejoice in this but that their names were written in the Lambs bok of life. This shows that they were saved before the cross and yet many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him n John 6:66. This shows that some of those whom were once in the book of life went away and lost salvation.

I cant find a verse of scripture in my bible that states Judas was ever saved. He was a thief. I'm sure Jesus knew that

 

[stuart lawrence]

Then Jesus replied.
Have I not chosen you the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil. ( he meant Judas, the son of Simon iscariot, who though one of the twelve was later to betray him)
John 6:70

Are we to believe devils are saved for heaven?