That is not the rapture, and it is not a rapture. A rapture is to be taken up, not called up. And I know exactly where you're coming from.
I don't know where you get the idea that we are not supposed to be called up, but without any indication, to just be taken up.
Here are the scriptures concerning rapture which involve being taken up. In some is the hearing of a voice like a trumpet. In some is the loud command given.
1 Thes.4:15-17 By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
Rev. 4:1 Behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here".
Rev.11:12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in the cloud.
1 Thes. 4:16-17 And the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
You are speculating, putting square pegs in round holes. The two witnesses weren't called up with the voice of a trumpet, right?
How is (I ask rhetorically) hearing a loud voice from heaven (as spoken of in Rev.11:12), different from what is written in 1 Thes.4:16 which mentions a loud command, the voice of an archangel, with the trumpet of God; resulting in the dead being raised up.
What you miss, and perhaps yourself seek to put a square into a round hole, and chop off the bits, thus isolating and ignoring that the words from Rev.11:12 saying, "Come up here." which results in the Two Witnesses being raised up from the dead, then being taken up into heaven while all the people watch them go up.
The Two Witnesses could not resurrect and go up without a call from God. Even as the apostle John in Rev.4:1, could not of himself go up into heaven without there being "and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here".
Those are the exact same words which were spoken to the Two Witnesses, and you are making an isolated difference because it is not written that what they heard was not accompanied by "the sound of a trumpet" as what John said that he heard? Is that what you are attempting to establish? That idea is amusing as well as preposterous.
And 1 Thes 4:16 is speaking about the "Wheat and Tares" resurrection harvest/rapture at the end of "this" world, because there is no "throne" judgement in it.
1 Thes.4:16 has nothing in it about the "Tares" so, yes, there is no mention of a White Throne Judgment in it., it is strictly addressing believers. And, there is no word in it to indicate *when* the rapture happens.
Yet you use that verse to state your belief that the rapture will happen at the end of this world (this age, and you mean, I think, the end of the Tribulation).
I can only extrapolate based on your overall statements.
The 2nd resurrection, which is the return described in the Olivet discourse,
On my previous post I have given Mat.24:3 as a reference to the "return" of Jesus, I now add verse 27.
I also previuosly commented on vss37-41 concerning (as you put it) the "Tares" which are taken away/die, and the "Wheat" which remains/lives. There is no mention throughout all of the chapter, of any resurrection, or rapture.
The event of resurrection has to be assumed from verse 27, in that (as written elsewhere) when Jesus Second Coming occurs, the Tribulation saints are resurrected.
because that is the death (the 2nd death in the lake of fire) that is being referred to that the witnesses taste after witnessing Christ return, is the "Great White Throne" judgement in Rev 20. These are the facts.
The term "the witnesses taste after witnessing Christ return," is an apparent theological one from your particular brand of denomination, that I'm not familiar with. Therefore I wonder why you call it "a fact".
No..
.. you haven't explained.
and that's also what I explained in the OP, that the death referred to in the Olivet discourse is the 2nd death, which proves the return in the Olivet discourse is the 2nd resurrection, because that is the only place man tastes the real dead.
Sorry, I don't speak your denominational theology
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The kingdom Christ enters is the new Yah-ru-Shalem, at the 2nd resurrection, when and where that generation tastes death, after seeing Christ coming on the clouds. It's as easy as 1-2-3.
The situation that Jesus returns to in the Second Coming is havoc on earth, and the epic Armageddon. Afterwards there is true and real peace, Jesus then establishes the Kingdom, sitting on a throne in the cleaned up Temple in Jerusalem.. or as the Jews say it, Yerushaliym.
Plus, Rev.3:12, The new Jerusalem come down from above is established. And, Rev.20:4-6, the Tribulation saints are resurrected to reign with him for a thousand years.
I can't answer any more of this Disney nonsense.
Good, I'm glad to report that there wasn't any further mickey mouse amusements in your post other than that one at the first.
And, concerning that portion, I would like to be able to say that - -
I'm sure you know better.
