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Judas was saved and then lost his salvation

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The ones who were casting out devils IN JESUS NAME. Were no doubt saved for no devil can be cast out in jesus name unless they are saved. We see some men trying to cast out devils in the name of jesus whom Paul preached in Acts and the devils did not know them and jumped all over them. In the name is not a formula, but an expression of being in Christ, in the authority and power character and life of Christ. Whatsoever we do in word or deed we are to do all in the name of jesus Christ. This whatsoever, relates to our life in Christ in all things.

There is so much to be taught to todays churches that has not been taught I marvel.
They did not believe. These sons of sceva. They said JESUS won Paul preached?

Why?

Because they did not know HIM and did not believe in Him

Which is why the demons said Paul we know and JESUS we know but who are you

These men were not protected by THE NAME
 
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Are these your verses for showing Jesus sent the disciples out to lost sheep before His death? Of course many believed upon Jesus, but that does not show that the disciples were sent out without Jesus to preach and save.

I said they were sent out by Jesus to cast out devils, preach the kingdom of God is come, heal the sick. God saves men by belief in the word of God in them. This word is Christ in them, the hope of glory, the mystery hid from ages, the true Light that eightieth every man that cometh into the world ( John 1:9 KJV)
 
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The gospel is the truth. It only that CHRIST died for our salvation but was raised for our justification and Romans 10 explains who will be saved

There is one final outcome of that ONE GOSPEL

HE IS RISEN!
 
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I said they were sent out by Jesus to cast out devils, preach the kingdom of God is come, heal the sick. God saves men by belief in the word of God in them. This word is Christ in them, the hope of glory, the mystery hid from ages, the true Light that eightieth every man that cometh into the world ( John 1:9 KJV)
Does everyone believe that HE is The Light?

No!

And that alone is the verdict
 
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They did not believe. These sons of sceva. They said JESUS won Paul preached?

Why?

Because they did not know HIM and did not believe in Him

Which is why the demons said Paul we know and JESUS we know but who are you

These men were not protected by THE NAME


Yes but you miss my point the two stories we are referring to are different. One was the apostles complaining that others cast out devils in Jesus name and they said they followed not us, I said these were born again and casting out devils truly in jesus name, or in the character life power authority and new birth in Christ. But the others in Acts were not in His name truly, they just tried to use the words like a formula, without actually being saved. This the devils saw and attacked them. So only those who are saved in Christ will the devils fear and run from because they are in the life and power and authority of Christ, as the apostles were and as those in Luke 10 who cast out devils were who also had their names written in the book of life.

so this shows even clearer that those who cast out devils were born again and saved before the cross or the devils would have attacked them for not being in the name of jesus ( or in the life and character and power of jesus in some measure)
 
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I said they were sent out by Jesus to cast out devils, preach the kingdom of God is come, heal the sick. God saves men by belief in the word of God in them. This word is Christ in them, the hope of glory, the mystery hid from ages, the true Light that eightieth every man that cometh into the world ( John 1:9 KJV)
And you said that Jesus sent them out before His death, so I am asking for those verses. Just because you keep saying it, does not make it true. Verses please.
 
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The gospel is the truth. It only that CHRIST died for our salvation but was raised for our justification and Romans 10 explains who will be saved

There is one final outcome of that ONE GOSPEL

HE IS RISEN!


The hope of the gospel is inward which is Christ in you the hope of glory. This hope, or sed, which is the word of God the life in men, is what Christ purchased for all men by his death on the cross. This is the free gift that came upon all men Romans 5. This gift is a treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power is of God and not of us. All have this true Light to bring light. But not all come to that light. Jesus said while you have the light believe in the light that ye may be children of light. What do you think he meant by this? If the light that is in you be darkness how great is that darkness.
 
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Yes but you miss my point the two stories we are referring to are different. One was the apostles complaining that others cast out devils in Jesus name and they said they followed not us, I said these were born again and casting out devils truly in jesus name, or in the character life power authority and new birth in Christ. But the others in Acts were not in His name truly, they just tried to use the words like a formula, without actually being saved. This the devils saw and attacked them. So only those who are saved in Christ will the devils fear and run from because they are in the life and power and authority of Christ, as the apostles were and as those in Luke 10 who cast out devils were who also had their names written in the book of life.

so this shows even clearer that those who cast out devils were born again and saved before the cross or the devils would have attacked them for not being in the name of jesus ( or in the life and character and power of jesus in some measure)
Why do you not give and write the verses that prove your point? Only giving chapters.

Verses please.
 
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Yes but you miss my point the two stories we are referring to are different. One was the apostles complaining that others cast out devils in Jesus name and they said they followed not us, I said these were born again and casting out devils truly in jesus name, or in the character life power authority and new birth in Christ. But the others in Acts were not in His name truly, they just tried to use the words like a formula, without actually being saved. This the devils saw and attacked them. So only those who are saved in Christ will the devils fear and run from because they are in the life and power and authority of Christ, as the apostles were and as those in Luke 10 who cast out devils were who also had their names written in the book of life.

so this shows even clearer that those who cast out devils were born again and saved before the cross or the devils would have attacked them for not being in the name of jesus ( or in the life and character and power of jesus in some measure)
These men made right judgement and Paul even knew and understand as long as CHRIST is preached what does it matter!

And CHRIST said he who gathers does not scatter. He who is for me is not against me

Those men who did cast out demons saw and understood which
Kingdom HE belonged to

And they acted because they understood

They did not say as the supposed learned men of the law said, HE casts out demons by beelzebub

Those were men who had the words of GOD first and couldn't make a right judgement therefore could NOT see THE KINGDOM of GOD in The SON whom THE FATHER loves
 
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The hope of the gospel is inward which is Christ in you the hope of glory. This hope, or sed, which is the word of God the life in men, is what Christ purchased for all men by his death on the cross. This is the free gift that came upon all men Romans 5. This gift is a treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power is of God and not of us. All have this true Light to bring light. But not all come to that light. Jesus said while you have the light believe in the light that ye may be children of light. What do you think he meant by this? If the light that is in you be darkness how great is that darkness.
HE alone gives the right to those whom HE calls to be called children of GOD
 
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And you said that Jesus sent them out before His death, so I am asking for those verses. Just because you keep saying it, does not make it true. Verses please.

Read Matthew 10 and Luke 10 etc. and see in the gospels where jesus said for them not to go the way of the gentiles and samaritans. This was before the cross , after the cross they went to the Samaritans and gentles. Also you can see that in Luke 10 they sere sent out to cast out devils heal etc and the devils were subject to them. They came back to jesus and reported of what had happened ( before the cross) this is very clear to the unbiased reader.
 
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These men made. Right judgement and Paul even knew and understand as long as CHRIST is preached what does it matter!

And CHRIST said he who gathers does not scatter. He who is for me is not against me

Those men who did cast out demons saw and understood which
Kingdom HE belonged to

And they acted because they understood

They did not say as the supposed learned men of the law said, HE casts out demons by beelzebub

Those were men who had the words of GOD first and couldn't make a right judgement therefore could NIT see THE KINGDOM of GOD in The SON whom THE FATHER loves
Not sure what your talking about here, but the truth is that these men who cast out devils could only do it if they were in the name of jesus Christ in reality, being born again. The devils don't respond to men who just use formulas, they jump all over them
 
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Read Matthew 10 and Luke 10 etc. and see in the gospels where jesus said for them not to go the way of the gentiles and samaritans. This was before the cross , after the cross they went to the Samaritans and gentles. Also you can see that in Luke 10 they sere sent out to cast out devils heal etc and the devils were subject to them. They came back to jesus and reported of what had happened ( before the cross) this is very clear to the unbiased reader.
It's not clear to me that casting out devils is sending them out for lost sheep before Christ's death. If you had the verses, you would have given them.

So your premise is incorrect, Jesus did not send anyone out for lost sheep until after His death.
 
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What do you think HE meant of this:

If you do not believe I AM HE Ye shall die in your sins?
Jesus is God the Son, God manifest in the flesh and he said if you see me you see the father.No man can see him unless the father reveals him.

God said in OT days I am that I am. The Jews knew what jesus meant, They tried to stone him for making himself God. They did not see, ( some of them that is) that he is God manifest in the flesh
 
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Not sure what your talking about here, but the truth is that these men who cast out devils could only do it if they were in the name of jesus Christ in reality, being born again. The devils don't respond to men who just use formulas, they jump all over them
You are adding to God's Word. Your assumption is that because they were able to cast out demons that they were born again, but people that are not Christian and do not have any faith have been able to cast out demons, so your logic is flawed.
 
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Read Matthew 10 and Luke 10 etc. and see in the gospels where jesus said for them not to go the way of the gentiles and samaritans. This was before the cross , after the cross they went to the Samaritans and gentles. Also you can see that in Luke 10 they sere sent out to cast out devils heal etc and the devils were subject to them. They came back to jesus and reported of what had happened ( before the cross) this is very clear to the unbiased reader.
Then you shouldn't use John 4 to support your argument about LIVING WATER

For that was to a Samaritan woman!
 
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It's not clear to me that casting out devils is sending them out for lost sheep before Christ's death. If you had the verses, you would have given them.

So your premise is incorrect, Jesus did not send anyone out for lost sheep until after His death.
I have already shown this, big sighhhhhh, ok here they are again. This commission was for them and they did go forth and it extends to all who would go forth also in some principles. But notice jesus told them not to God the way of the gentiles and

"10 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.

13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you." (Matthew 10)

and

"3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.

5 And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.

6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.

7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:

9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,

11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.

13 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

14 But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you.

15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.

16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
 
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Jesus is God the Son, God manifest in the flesh and he said if you see me you see the father.No man can see him unless the father reveals him.

God said in OT days I am that I am. The Jews knew what jesus meant, They tried to stone him for making himself God. They did not see, ( some of them that is) that he is God manifest in the flesh
This tells me nothing that I already know

And it tells no one anything that they already know

Again

And the WORD was made flesh is literally THE WORD made flesh

And anyone who denies JESUS CHRIST ((who came forth from GOD and into the world) as come in the flesh is not of GOD

And is in fact anti CHRIST

which can I say translates to anti GOD?

Since the Spirit of GOD / Spirit of Christ are One And the same

For he who denies the Son denies The father who sent him and in a sense calls GOD a liar since he does not believe God's Testimony which she has given of HIS SON?
 
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You are adding to God's Word. Your assumption is that because they were able to cast out demons that they were born again, but people that are not Christian and do not have any faith have been able to cast out demons, so your logic is flawed.
No no man can TRULY cast out devils unless they have power from God to do so. Satan cannot cast out satan, as my Lord said. I am not adding to the word, take heed when you witness falsely against what I have said. i speak according to scripture.
 
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