Should Christians rest on the Sabbath (saturday) and rejoice on the Lords day (sunday)?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Jesus admitted he was working

Doing the Will (Works) of his Father does not break The Sabbath.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

When did Yeshua "work" on the Sabbath?

Luke 13:14
And other verses as well.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Doing the Will (Works) of his Father does not break The Sabbath.

Jesus was the Father.
Matthew 12:1-8, Mark 2:23-31, Luke 6:1-10

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Luke 13:14
And other verses as well.

Again, THEY said He worked on Shabbat by healing. Healing is a Mitzvah and ALLOWED on Shabbat.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Jesus was the Father.
Matthew 12:1-8, Mark 2:23-31, Luke 6:1-10

You are incorrect. They were gleaning (pe'ah) on Shabbat not reaping!

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

You are incorrect. They were gleaning (pe'ah) on Shabbat not reaping!

It's not wrong. You can search the new testament and find the passages that pertain to Jesus healing on the Sabbath. When a certain Pharisee saw Jesus healing on the Sabbath and confronted him because he violated the law, that tells you that Jesus was working on the Sabbath.
Jesus was the Lord of the Sabbath. He is the Lord that sanctified one day a week for our rest from the world.
Isn't it strange? There are those who will argue that God in the OT sending plagues upon Egypt, killing countless numbers of people, are all things God could do because he is God and it is his prerogative to do as he wills with his creation.
And yet in the new testament, when Jesus was that same God in flesh, there are people who will argue he never did work on the Sabbath. But they'll then claim contrary to what Jesus taught, that his ten commands that he gave in the old testament, reiterated as valid in the new, are defunct.

Somethings really wrong there.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It's not wrong. You can search the new testament and find the passages that pertain to Jesus healing on the Sabbath. When a certain Pharisee saw Jesus healing on the Sabbath and confronted him because he violated the law, that tells you that Jesus was working on the Sabbath.
Jesus was the Lord of the Sabbath. He is the Lord that sanctified one day a week for our rest from the world.
Isn't it strange? There are those who will argue that God in the OT sending plagues upon Egypt, killing countless numbers of people, are all things God could do because he is God and it is his prerogative to do as he wills with his creation.
And yet in the new testament, when Jesus was that same God in flesh, there are people who will argue he never did work on the Sabbath. But they'll then claim contrary to what Jesus taught, that his ten commands that he gave in the old testament, reiterated as valid in the new, are defunct.

Somethings really wrong there.

Yeshua never broke the Sabbath. I already told you that healing on the Sabbath is not against Torah or Halakha...in fact if He could heal and did not on the Sabbath, that would be wrong.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Yeshua never broke the Sabbath. I already told you that healing on the Sabbath is not against Torah or Halakha...in fact if He could heal and did not on the Sabbath, that would be wrong.

I know what you told me. The scriptures tell you you're wrong.

 

[parousia70]

The ECF taught the doctrines that were directly handed down to them from the Apostles.

And Yet they were not always in total agreement with one another about everything.

 

[parousia70]

If you break one of the 10 Commandments is it a sin?

Of course, Just like if I cut my hair its a sin, if I eat shellfish it's a sin, If I have relations with my wife while she is mensturating it's a sin, If my wife doesn't cover her head and remain silent in Church it's a sin, If I wear mixed fiber clothing its a sin, If my child talks back to me and i DON'T beat him to a bloody pulp its a sin, etc.....but I'll let Paul address what that means today:

12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—13 For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
(Romans 5:13-20)

56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. (1 Corinthians 15:56)

Sin is sin, and existed BEFORE the Law.
However, Before the Law, man's individual sins were not measured against Him, Rather Man was Born Condemned whether He sinned or not, Because Adam's Sin was imputed upon all men at Birth. Man's actions in life had no bearing.

Then Came the Law, which gave strength to sin, enabling mans individual sins to convict Him apart from Adam's.

Then Came the Christ, fulfilling the Law, removing the sting of Death and the strength of Sin, and imparting the free gift righteousness to sinners, and ONLY to sinners.

Now, as before the law came into the world, Mans Individual sins do not Condemn Him.

Rather one today is either "in Adam", Already condemned whether He sins or not,
Or one is "in Christ" saved even though He is a sinner.

The Law, and therefore one's individual sins, are no longer the Measuring Stick God uses to determine if one is saved (or not).

 

[parousia70]

Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."

What is your source for this? Somebody's "blog"?

it's pretty believable seeing as how the Catholic church consistently goes against scripture.

Unless you provide examples, you're just blowing hot air.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yeshua never broke the Sabbath. I already told you that healing on the Sabbath is not against Torah or Halakha...in fact if He could heal and did not on the Sabbath, that would be wrong.

I agree with most all your posts as you have honored YHWH and SCRIPTURE.

This is very tangent, but prompted by "that would be wrong" ....
What if it is (as is common TODAY) because of the people's great unbelief that healing is not done on the Sabbath ?
Obviously, I don't think you think it is wrong then not to heal them on Sabbath (or any other day).

 

[Monk Brendan]

Because Adams Sin was imputed upon Him at Birth.

Sorry, but that is wrong. Adam sinned WHEN he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. However, God did not create him as a sinner. Rather, God created him as innocent.

BTW, please tell me when Adam was born? I don't remember that in any of the Scripture. Wasn't he created by God? Perhaps at late teens or early 20's?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

.....please tell me when Adam was born? I don't remember that in any of the Scripture. Wasn't he created by God? Perhaps at late teens or early 20's?

Give a little, take a little:
Adam was Created when YHWH WAS ONE.
As it is written in the Scripture YHWH IS ONE.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I know what you told me. The scriptures tell you you're wrong.

No they do not, you just do not understand them...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I agree with most all your posts as you have honored YHWH and SCRIPTURE.

This is very tangent, but prompted by "that would be wrong" ....
What if it is (as is common TODAY) because of the people's great unbelief that healing is not done on the Sabbath ?
Obviously, I don't think you think it is wrong then not to heal them on Sabbath (or any other day).

Because if He could heal (and do that mitzvah) and did not, even on Shabbat, then that would not be in line with Torah.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Because if He could heal (and do that mitzvah) and did not, even on Shabbat, then that would not be in line with Torah.

Sorry my question wasn't more clear.
We can heal people any day, including on Sabbath.
But we don't always heal people, including on Sabbath.
Are we wrong ?
Even Y'shua did not do many miracles (including He did not heal everyone) in some places because of the great unbelief in the people.

Was He wrong to not heal them on the Sabbath ? no.
Are we wrong to not heal people on the Sabbath ? no.

Not when it is because of unbelief - just as it is written in Scripture , right ?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Of course, Just like if I cut my hair its a sin, if I eat shellfish it's a sin, If I have relations with my wife while she is mensturating it's a sin, If my wife doesn't cover her head and remain silent in Church it's a sin, If I wear mixed fiber clothing its a sin, If my child talks back to me and i DON'T beat him to a bloody pulp its a sin, etc...

I asked you if it would be a sin if you broke one of the 10 mitzvot written in stone...the 10 Commandments.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Adam was Created when YHWH WAS ONE.

"Who is God talking to when He said: Let US make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (Gen 1:26 KJV)

I don't want to get into the whole Trinity vs. Oneness scrap right now. That is not for this thread.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Sorry my question wasn't more clear.
We can heal people any day, including on Sabbath.
But we don't always heal people, including on Sabbath.
Are we wrong ?
Even Y'shua did not do many miracles (including He did not heal everyone) in some places because of the great unbelief in the people.

Was He wrong to not heal them on the Sabbath ? no.
Are we wrong to not heal people on the Sabbath ? no.

Not when it is because of unbelief - just as it is written in Scripture , right ?

If you have the opportunity and the power to heal, you must, yes even on Shabbat. Yeshua's miracles were to produce faith...IN HIM.