Should Christians rest on the Sabbath (saturday) and rejoice on the Lords day (sunday)?

[Basil the Great]

No, east coast and well north of the MDL.

Now that is especially surprising for the East Coast! I suspect that what you encountered would have been pretty rare on the more liberal East Coast.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Recently, on CF, I was called a cult leader without a flock, just because I don't fit someone's man made mold.

There are a lot of wolves in the world. Forgive them. If they get really down and dirty report them. Wolves have no place among sheep.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Now that is especially surprising for the East Coast! I suspect that what you encountered would have been pretty rare on the more liberal East Coast.

Delaware! They lifted their blue laws I think it was 5 years ago?
It's only liquor stores that sell alcohol. No sales of soft spirits like wine and beer in grocery stores in Delaware. From what I've seen that would likely not happen for a good long time here. There are some from what I've heard said that are still reeling about the Sunday thing.
But Maryland was getting all the alcohol sales on Sunday's and making a fortune in taxes and sales for years. Delawares sales tax is incorporated into the retail prices of things. So there's no sales tax at the totaling of a purchase. Not so in Maryland. People were driving there to get their supply and Delaware law makers finally did the math and realized the fortune they were losing in revenue so they repealed the blue.

 

[W2L]

There are a lot of wolves in the world. Forgive them. If they get really down and dirty report them. Wolves have no place among sheep.

The Lord said we should leap for joy. I'm slowly growing in the spirit. As paul said, when I'm weak I'm strong. That scripture is linked with the beatitudes, in my opinion. Paul has a few nuggets of spiritual wisdom that will greatly bless us if we let them take root and grow in us.

 

[Basil the Great]

I guess I learned something today. Thanks for the interesting information!

 

[1John2:4]

No, that was only part of the problem. Again, Acts of the Apostles 15:5 states that they were commanding them to keep the law of Moses.



We are not under law we are under grace. You are attempting to bring Christians back under the law. Paul warned against this many times in his epistles, Galatians 5:4 for example. By forcing people to obey the law you are making the cross of Christ of no effect. Christ showed us the way of love through the spirit and not the letter. The law kills the spirit brings life.

I am not forcing anyone to do anything. Again, I said if you do not want to keep Gods commandments that is between you and God. As for me I will do and teach them as Jesus commanded me to. I am with the brother that said People just hear what they want.
Shalom

 

[Jim Langston]

Mr. Langston, please try to pay ATTENTION! Popes have never declared Sunday MUST be the day of worship. If you wish to worship on Saturday, fine. Also, Constantine was never elected Pope.

Yes, I said it was Pope Sylvester, did I not? And I originally said "Pope Constantine" and although he called himself a Pope the church apparently never did. But since I corrected who was the Pope that changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday I no longer cared about Constantine or how correct I was about him, I admitted I made a mistake and he was out of the picture.

Sylvester the pope first among the Romans . . . ordered that the rest (otium) of the Sabbath would better be transferred to the Lord's day, so that we should leave that day free of worldly works in order to praise God.—Rabanus Maurus, De Clericorum Institutione, bk. 2, ch. 46; found in Bible Student's Source Book, entry 1765.

Although I don't actually read Latin so can't confirm this myself. http://www.documentacatholicaomnia....lphum_Archiepiscopum_Libri_Tres__MLT.pdf.html

If you can read latin or figure out which is the actual pdf to download you can find out what exactly Pope Sylvester said.

 

[Jim Langston]

No one is ANTI Sabbath that I've read here... Everyone agrees that Keeping the Sabbath is just fine IF YOU WANT TO.
The disagreement lies between those of us who say it's optional and those who say it's required... (weirdly though I just found out some seem to say it's both required AND optional... Still waiting for an explanation on that one)

I think what they are saying is, if you do keep the day of Sabbath you should either keep it on Saturday or not keep it at all. I don't particularly agree with this, however, as I feel God would rather you worship him on the wrong day then no day at all.

1 Corinthians 6:9
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Nope, Sabbath not mentioned.

Revelation 22:15
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Nope, no Sabbath mentioned.

Galations 5
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which arethese; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

No Sabbath.

Ephesians 5
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Still no Sabbath.

1 Timothy 1
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

No Sabbath (some might argue sound doctrine, I don't).

Finally, Luke 18
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 19And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. 20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. 21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Still no Sabbath. Some people may be concerned with having to sell everything they have, but Jesus said doing that he would have riches in heaven, I.E. be rewarded for them, though I don't believe Jesus intended us to think he had to do this to enter heaven. Matthew makes this more clear where Jesus says "If you would be perfect"

Matthew 19
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me

Still no Sabbath.

The OP was, *should* we rest on Saturday and worship on Sunday. I would say, if you would be perfect, rest on both, worship on both.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There are a lot of wolves in the world. Forgive them. If they get really down and dirty report them. Wolves have no place among sheep.

Hmmmm........ Martin Luther did that. Andrew Moulden did that. Carey Reams did that . Keith Green did that. All the Apostles did that ...... (remember?) (in the Bible and factually historically ) .....
They all reported the evil of society, religiously and otherwise too (many aspects not religious)....

And they all died. (some or many were put to death by the worlves)
(or they (the believers) slept (as believers may do as Jesus often said...)

 

[tall73]

And when asked why they changed worship from Saturday to Sunday they said there authority supercedes the authority of the word of God.

Where have any of the Catholic Communion of Churches said that? I want the exact quote, plus a way to verify it, plus I must be able to find it on the Vatican website. If it isn't in there, they YOU are spreading lies about the RCC

The closest I have seen to a Catholic statement that Sunday "replaces" Sabbath is found in Dies Domini, an apostolic letter by John Paul II.

https://w2.vatican.va/content/john-...uments/hf_jp-ii_apl_05071998_dies-domini.html

He says it is more than a replacement, but a fulfillment. The link will take you directly to the English version of the Vatican site.


The fulfilment of the Sabbath


59. This aspect of the Christian Sunday shows in a special way how it is the fulfilment of the Old Testament Sabbath. On the Lord's Day, which — as we have already said — the Old Testament links to the work of creation (cf. Gn 2:1-3; Ex 20:8-11) and the Exodus (cf. Dt 5:12-15), the Christian is called to proclaim the new creation and the new covenant brought about in the Paschal Mystery of Christ. Far from being abolished, the celebration of creation becomes more profound within a Christocentric perspective, being seen in the light of the God's plan "to unite all things in [Christ], things in heaven and things on earth" (Eph 1:10). The remembrance of the liberation of the Exodus also assumes its full meaning as it becomes a remembrance of the universal redemption accomplished by Christ in his Death and Resurrection. More than a "replacement" for the Sabbath, therefore, Sunday is its fulfilment, and in a certain sense its extension and full expression in the ordered unfolding of the history of salvation, which reaches its culmination in Christ.


60. In this perspective, the biblical theology of the "Sabbath" can be recovered in full, without compromising the Christian character of Sunday. It is a theology which leads us ever anew and in unfailing awe to the mystery of the beginning, when the eternal Word of God, by a free decision of love, created the world from nothing. The work of creation was sealed by the blessing and consecration of the day on which God ceased "from all the work which he had done in creation" (Gn 2:3). This day of God's rest confers meaning upon time, which in the sequence of weeks assumes not only a chronological regularity but also, in a manner of speaking, a theological resonance. The constant return of the "shabbat" ensures that there is no risk of time being closed in upon itself, since, in welcoming God and his kairoi — the moments of his grace and his saving acts — time remains open to eternity.


61. As the seventh day blessed and consecrated by God, the "shabbat" concludes the whole work of creation, and is therefore immediately linked to the work of the sixth day when God made man "in his image and likeness" (cf. Gn 1:26). This very close connection between the "day of God" and the "day of man" did not escape the Fathers in their meditation on the biblical creation story. Saint Ambrose says in this regard: "Thanks, then, to the Lord our God who accomplished a work in which he might find rest. He made the heavens, but I do not read that he found rest there; he made the stars, the moon, the sun, and neither do I read that he found rest in them. I read instead that he made man and that then he rested, finding in man one to whom he could offer the forgiveness of sins". (106) Thus there will be for ever a direct link between the "day of God" and the "day of man". When the divine commandment declares: "Remember the Sabbath day in order to keep it holy" (Ex 20:8), the rest decreed in order to honour the day dedicated to God is not at all a burden imposed upon man, but rather an aid to help him to recognize his life-giving and liberating dependence upon the Creator, and at the same time his calling to cooperate in the Creator's work and to receive his grace. In honouring God's "rest", man fully discovers himself, and thus the Lord's Day bears the profound imprint of God's blessing (cf. Gn 2:3), by virtue of which, we might say, it is endowed in a way similar to the animals and to man himself, with a kind of "fruitfulness" (cf. Gn 1:22, 28). This "fruitfulness" is apparent above all in filling and, in a certain sense, "multiplying" time itself, deepening in men and women the joy of living and the desire to foster and communicate life.


62. It is the duty of Christians therefore to remember that, although the practices of the Jewish Sabbath are gone, surpassed as they are by the "fulfilment" which Sunday brings, the underlying reasons for keeping "the Lord's Day" holy — inscribed solemnly in the Ten Commandments — remain valid, though they need to be reinterpreted in the light of the theology and spirituality of Sunday: "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. Six days you shall labour, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. Then you shall do no work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your servant, or your maid, or your ox, or your ass, or any of your beasts, or the foreigner within your gates, that your servant and maid may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God commanded that you keep the Sabbath day" (Dt 5:12-15). Here the Sabbath observance is closely linked with the liberation which God accomplished for his people.


63. Christ came to accomplish a new "exodus", to restore freedom to the oppressed. He performed many healings on the Sabbath (cf. Mt 12:9-14 and parallels), certainly not to violate the Lord's Day, but to reveal its full meaning: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mk 2:27). Opposing the excessively legalistic interpretation of some of his contemporaries, and developing the true meaning of the biblical Sabbath, Jesus, as "Lord of the Sabbath" (Mk 2:28), restores to the Sabbath observance its liberating character, carefully safeguarding the rights of God and the rights of man. This is why Christians, called as they are to proclaim the liberation won by the blood of Christ, felt that they had the authority to transfer the meaning of the Sabbath to the day of the Resurrection. The Passover of Christ has in fact liberated man from a slavery more radical than any weighing upon an oppressed people — the slavery of sin, which alienates man from God, and alienates man from himself and from others, constantly sowing within history the seeds of evil and violence.


The last bolded section in particular deals with the authority question.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The last bolded section in particular deals with the authority question.

Yes, perhaps.

Notice that many believers in the first century, and thereafter right on through to TODAY,
don't agree and never agreed on that authority's change of the day of resurrection (hidden by them ages ago).
i.e. there's a lot of dispute and changes that were made to 'Scripture' to make certain doctrines (manmade and not God-authorized).

 

[tall73]

Yes, perhaps.

Notice that many believers in the first century, and thereafter right on through to TODAY,
don't agree and never agreed on that authority's change of the day of resurrection (hidden by them ages ago).
i.e. there's a lot of dispute and changes that were made to 'Scripture' to make certain doctrines (manmade and not God-authorized).

Please note I simply provided the official document that the poster was requesting. I do not endorse the view of the papacy on this point.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Please note I simply provided the official document that the poster was requesting. I do not endorse the view of the papacy on this point.

Right. That's what I thought and did not mean in any way to make it seem otherwise.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Does Keeping the Sabbath save your Soul?
Does Breaking it cause your soul to be Lost?

If you break one of the 10 Commandments is it a sin?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Colossians 2 says Sabbath is just a shadow but Christ is the reality. Same with eating ceremonial foods and eating kosher, its just a shadow. So if we are free from food restrictions we must be free from Sabbath restrictions as well.

The Gentiles follow the 7 Noahide laws as stated in Acts.

"For great as was the success of Barnabas and Paul in the heathen world, the authorities in Jerusalem insisted upon circumcision as the condition of admission of members into the church, until, on the initiative of Peter, and of James, the head of the Jerusalem church, it was agreed that acceptance of the Noachide Laws (regarding avoidance of idolatry, fornication, and the eating of flesh cut from a living animal) should be demanded of the heathen desirous of entering the Church. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day."

However, this was in response to the question of Gentile circumcision.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

when Jesus worked on the Sabbath but he and his Disciples also kept the Sabbath, meaning the new covenant that is still made for us, doesn't have the strict prohibitions against any labors as the OT covenant did, you're likely encountering what is known as a humanist christian.

When did Yeshua "work" on the Sabbath?

 

[bigo1984]

Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” The man went away and told the Jewish leaders that it was Jesus who had made him well. So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
John 5:14‭-‬18 NIV
http://bible.com/111/jhn.5.14-18.NIV

 

[bigo1984]

Where have any of the Catholic Communion of Churches said that? I want the exact quote, plus a way to verify it, plus I must be able to find it on the Vatican website. If it isn't in there, they YOU are spreading lies about the RCC

Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."



I'm not going to prove anything else I'm just going to post that but it's pretty believable seeing as how the Catholic church consistently goes against scripture.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” The man went away and told the Jewish leaders that it was Jesus who had made him well. So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
John 5:14‭-‬18 NIV
http://bible.com/111/jhn.5.14-18.NIV

But he was not working on the Sabbath. THEY were saying He was. Performing a Mitzvah (healing someone) on Shabbat is not breaking Shabbat.

 

[bigo1984]

But he was not working on the Sabbath. THEY were saying He was. Performing a Mitzvah (healing someone) on Shabbat is not breaking Shabbat.

Jesus admitted he was working