Can you be good without God?

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[Freodin]

It's irrational, apart from God.

You ignore how meaningless the cosmos is, if God does not exist.

You ignore that the cosmos is still meaningless if God does exist.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

It's irrational, apart from God.

You ignore how meaningless the cosmos is, if God does not exist.

But it's not meaningless.

 

[Freodin]

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Ignores all the arguments that were made showing that either morality is still subjective... to God, or that the term is completely meaningless, because it becomes self-referential.

 

[Freodin]

But it's not meaningless.

(Objectively) meaningless. The cosmos. Is.
Because objective meaning does not exist.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

LOL, being made in the image of God, Adam and Eve had the choice of obedience or disobedience. They chose to break God's law. In so doing, they condemned their offspring to lawbreaking with no personal choice to gain pardon, except by God's choice in the matter.

It was God's design to have this happen. Only God fully know why He chose this path. Whining, however, does not change God's sovereign path. All whining does is make you look like a whiner.

Suck it up. Confess you lawbreaking ways and seek God's pardon through Yeshua, Jesus, atonement on your behalf.

Anything else is just you being a whiny child who refuses to admit his wrong doing.

Lol - great argument; schoolyard stuff - could almost be a POE...

 

[Dave Ellis]

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The points brought up in that video have already been brought up in this thread and dismissed.

God is not an objective basis for morality, god's opinions and judgments (like all opinions and judgments) are subjective.

Likewise, our objective basis for morality is the objective consequences of our actions. That's called consequential ethicism.

In reality, the existence or non existence of a god is completely irrelevant when it comes to determining something is good. But, that also means it is certainly possible ot be good without god.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

(Objectively) meaningless. The cosmos. Is.
Because objective meaning does not exist.

I don't know what "objective meaning" is. It seems unintelligible to me.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

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I feel so much stupider for having watched the first 1:30 of this pseudo philosophical nonsense.

 

[Davian]

This thread has obviously been derailed and sidetracked, so let's get back to the main question: can you be good without God?

As the word is used in the common vernacular, I do not see why not.

 

[Davian]

I would agree. Apart from God, goodness is just an opinion; it has no cosmic meaning.

Right. It is meaningless.

This is demonstrably false, as my life has meaning and purpose, and I have never believed in any gods.

It also is a argument from consequences fallacy, in that even if that were true, it would not poof your god into existence.

It also begs the question, have you the right god? Have you the right denomination? I am being told in other threads in these forums that if are not of the right denomination, you are a heretic, and as lost as anyone adhering to the wrong religion, or no religion.

What am I to gather from your repeated insistence that without your particular god, there is no meaning? Are you saying, that without your God, you would be sad? Would that be accurate?

 

[Freodin]

This is demonstrably false, as my life has meaning and purpose, and I have never believed in any gods.

It also is a argument from consequences fallacy, in that even if that were true, it would not poof your god into existence.

It also begs the question, have you the right god? Have you the right denomination? I am being told in other threads in these forums that if are not of the right denomination, you are a heretic, and as lost as anyone adhering to the wrong religion, or no religion.

What am I to gather from your repeated insistence that without your particular god, there is no meaning? Are you saying, that without your God, you would be sad? Would that be accurate?

*cough* "cosmic meaning" There is none.

I agree with the idea behind your statements here, but you need to be aware that you are talking with theistic absolutionists, who adhere to the doctrine that it is either their version of "good", "morals", "meaning", or no version at all.

So if your life hasn't "cosmic meaning" or "divine purpose", it cannot have "meaning" or "purpose" at all. It is weird, but that is the way they think.

 

[MennoSota]

Lol - great argument; schoolyard stuff - could almost be a POE...

Tell me about it after your conversation with the judge.

 

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I feel so much stupider for having watched the first 1:30 of this pseudo philosophical nonsense.

I think that the video gives a very simplify breakdown of what the arguement is about. However, I agree there are still some flaws and I don't entirely agree with it.

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[Dave Ellis]

Tell me about it after your conversation with the judge.

There is no judge, as far as I can tell.

 

[MennoSota]

There is no judge, as far as I can tell.

You'd have to be alive to tell.

 

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I would really like to participate in this topic. I obviously had not had a chance to read the entire thread to get caught up. So please let me know if I mention anything that has already been addressed.

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[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Ok, so back to the OP. Can you be "good" without God? I know Davian has read my thoughts from another thread titled "the moral arguement ". I don't know how to find the exact posts so I will explain it again. @Davian...we still have some cookies saved for you at my church. Just come over and grab a few.

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[Davian]

Tell me about it after your conversation with the judge.

Scare Tactic Fail

• Davian
• Mar 15, 2016

 

[Dave Ellis]

You'd have to be alive to tell.

I am alive....