God, omnibenevolent or omnipotent and omniscient?

[Godcrazy]

So there is a limit on omnipotence and causing Satan to repent rather than a need in God for evil according to hidden wisdom.

no, satan cannot repent ,just as the rest of them. He hates humanity.

 

[Hentenza]

In theodicies we consider God almighty and how evil still occurs. Can God really turn Satan's heart into repentance at any time He wants, or annihilate him?

Some suppose that God has a special purpose for evil we don't know yet. Or God makes some people for Hell, but that isn't good. Then one can look at the beginning of sin among the angels and, why could not God save them, or bring to a quick repentance, or know ahead of time not to create certain angels. Some say evil leads to an appreciation of the constant good, and prevents conceit and arrogance. But if God is omniscient and omnipotent, then He does not need evil for any purpose, outside or inside Himself. God needs Satan? Can God prevent us from free willing bad choices? Because of free will, I do not think He can.

Which gives, to some limit? Onmibenevolence, Omniscience, omnipotence?

This the typical problem of evil fslse dichotomy. All of God’s attributes remain intact and He has already defeated the devil. The Bible addresses evil through out the totality of scripture. Rather than creating us as amoral robots or dooming mankind for our sin or condoning our sin by leaving it unresolved, God chose the one and only way to settle the problem. He created us with the freedom to choose our actions, and then extended forgiveness to us. Forgiveness is the Christian answer to the problem of evil.

This is not a matter of Arminian free will but a matter of God giving us reason to choose our actions. We, as Christians, continue to sin which in the Lord’s eyes is evil and yet we can confess our sins and be forgiven. The problem of evil never existed.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

This the typical problem of evil fslse dichotomy. All of God’s attributes remain intact and He has already defeated the devil. The Bible addresses evil through out the totality of scripture. Rather than creating us as amoral robots or dooming mankind for our sin or condoning our sin by leaving it unresolved, God chose the one and only way to settle the problem. He created us with the freedom to choose our actions, and then extended forgiveness to us. Forgiveness is the Christian answer to the problem of evil.

This is not a matter of Arminian free will but a matter of God giving us reason to choose our actions. We, as Christians, continue to din which in the Lord’s eyes us evil and yet we can confess our sins and be forgiven. The problem of evil never existed.

Jesus had to overcome evil and exchange our sins for His righteousness, and there is forgiveness, but only for those persuaded to cooperate, which brings in destiny choice then Arminius and Calvin...

 

[zippy2006]

Can God prevent us from free willing bad choices? Because of free will, I do not think He can.

Which gives, to some limit? Onmibenevolence, Omniscience, omnipotence?

Your implicit argument is, "If God were X, then things would be different. But things are not different, therefore God is not X," where 'X' could be any of the notions you present. The general answer is to hold that God is X even though things are the way they are (in the Book of Job, for example). This is not to deny that God will make things just in time, but rather to say that the state of the world is not incompatible with the Christian God.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Your implicit argument is, "If God were X, then things would be different. But things are not different, therefore God is not X," where 'X' could be any of the notions you present. The general answer is to hold that God is X even though things are the way they are (in the Book of Job, for example). This is not to deny that God will make things just in time, but rather to say that the state of the world is not incompatible with the Christian God.

I would suppose you mean another's "notion" that God being almighty means God can change mens' and demons' wills and end sin immediately. And heal things in a short time. But my idea is that while has great powers changing our will and bringing quick repentance is not one of God's powers, X. Sin on Earth is incompatibe with Omnibenevolence, Omnipotence and Omniscience. Otherwise one suggests, God has a hidden reason to allow evil. Which I have said I do not agree with. For if God needs evil, that's a limit, He is almighty and also doesn't need evil in His complete power range.

In the short term, God can persuade us, and intercessions can mean He changes persons wills, but He does not perfectly control them, with reverence and love and knowledge... His graces. It seems He does not pour living water over everyone automatically... Persons can refuse and believers in constant efforts will be sanctified and eventually perfected both free and sinless and full of love and obedience in the after life.

 

[zippy2006]

Otherwise one suggests, God has a hidden reason to allow evil. Which I have said I do not agree with. For if God needs evil, that's a limit,

"If God has a reason to allow evil, then he must need evil."

That's an invalid inference.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

"If God has a reason to allow evil, then he must need evil."

That's an invalid inference.

No I would not say God needs evil. And has no reason to create it...

For me evil was predicted and was unstoppable because free will is outside God's power by nature.

I think God hates evil and would not allow it if our free wills were fully His.

Why in your view does God allow evil to exist, despite His great love?

 

[Hentenza]

For me evil was predicted and was unstoppable because free will is outside God's power by nature.

My brother if this is true then God would be contingent on man and other agencies which means that God is not omniscient or omnipotent. If God is contingent on any agency then God is not infinite and could go out of existence based on contingency. You might want to reexamine this belief.

 

[Fervent]

Theodicies depend on 2 assumptions. First, the evils of the world are without purpose. Second, the evil in the world is without remedy. Both of these assumptions are false, as seen in the brutality of the cross. None of God's omni attributes need give way, it is the assumptions that theodicies are built on that is faulty.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

My brother if this is true then God would be contingent on man and other agencies which means that God is not omniscient or omnipotent. If God is contingent on any agency then God is not infinite and could go out of existence based on contingency. You might want to reexamine this belief.

I am saying that God has to allow us to say yes or no to love. He knows what the angels and souls will say in advance and some are predestined to life by their choice when their opportunity comes. God is dependant on other agencies and gives grace and blessings, to help us choose life. Fallen angels block us and we need God and grace. Satan is the obstacle. God did not make this nature. He knew about it long ago. He uses or depends on it to give us a choice, since He won't tempt us. The only limit on omnipotence is not forcing love.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Theodicies depend on 2 assumptions. First, the evils of the world are without purpose. Second, the evil in the world is without remedy. Both of these assumptions are false, as seen in the brutality of the cross. None of God's omni attributes need give way, it is the assumptions that theodicies are built on that is faulty.

That in itself can be a theodicy.

Evil has a purpose in the second place, after it comes about independently from God. Murder has a purpose after God promises that all things, even what Satan throws at us, work together for the good in those who love God. God can undo otherwise useless and vile knots and make them come good. Restoration, part of Christ's cross work, at least, double for our trouble. The blood of Jesus restores honour... God gives new life. God did not devise murder... but took into account it would come into existence. He puts it to use. There is death in nature.

I judge evil has no use, but God is very well able to remedy Satan and evil. There is no value in it for God, in the death and damnation of a sinner...

God is all powerful in Himself and in creation, but cannot force Satan to repent because He is a good gentleman and won't rape.

God can change our wills, although, we can refuse.