Does Science Agree With the Bible?

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You know what. Knowing whether or not the flood happened or didn't happen.

I believe it did, you don't.

We keep going into circles. Blame me if you want. Don't care about that.

What I do care about and the most important message I have to give you. You wanted one subject, forget the flood, it's important for those of us who believe. Not to those who don't believe.

What do you believe happens to you after you die?
 
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You are a biologist not a historian right? We are talking about the neolithic revolution, where it began and HOW it spread to Europe. IF you can not pack the show up and put it on the road then how did farming spread from the Middle East to Europe?

Where is your evidence that Noah spread this knowledge?
 
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You know what. Knowing whether or not the flood happened or didn't happen.

I believe it did, you don't.

We can present evidence demonstrating that the flood didn't happen.

You are unable to present evidence demonstrate that a flood did happen.

The reason we keep going in circles is because you can't present evidence to back your claims.

What I do care about and the most important message I have to give you. You wanted one subject, forget the flood, it's important for those of us who believe. Not to those who don't believe.

What do you believe happens to you after you die?

We happen to think that reality trumps beliefs.
 
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You get your information from books, correct?

I get them from the universe around me.

The awesome part is the book I get my info from is True.

Why? Because you believe it is true?

Genome analysis suggests that the two species are swapping genes at a surprising rate.

What genome analysis? How can they swap genes if their progeny are not fertile?

But each species has genome segments unique to its own kind, which seem to persist despite the mixing of the rest of the genome.

Are you now saying that a kind is a species? Where is your evidence for these claims?

It’s as if these parts of the genome were made of oil and the rest of water; the water easily mixes but the oil remains in distinct droplets

Evidence?
 
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The evidence of the flood is as follows:

Evidence 1: Fossils of sea creatures high above sea level due to the ocean waters having flooded over the continents

Where is the evidence demonstrating that those fossils were put there in that fashion?

Evidence 2: Rapid burial of plants and animals

Not evidence of a recent global flood since ancient local floods will produce the same evidence.

Evidence 3: Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas
We find rock layers that can be traced all the way across continents—even between continents—and physical features in those strata indicate they were deposited rapidly. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days.

The white cliffs at Dover were not rapidly deposited. Those cliffs are made up of microscopic organisms. There is simply no way that hundreds of feet of coccolithophores can reproduce, grow, die, and then settle over a few months. Those cliffs are some of the best evidence falsifying a recent global flood and all of your other claims.

Evidence 4: Sediment transported long distances
We find that the sediments in those widespread, rapidly deposited rock layers had to be eroded from distant sources and carried long distances by fast-moving water.

Never heard of rivers? Those processes are occurring right now, no global flood needed.

For example, the sand for the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon (Arizona) had to be eroded and transported from the northern portion of what is now the United States and Canada.

The Coconino sandstones are wind blown desert sand dunes. Floods don't produce those deposits.

Evidence 5: Rapid or no erosion between strata

Also occurring in the here and now, no need for a recent or global flood.
 
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Yes God gives us two witness, one is the laws that we learn about in Science, the other is the laws we received through Moses in the Bible. Of course sometimes Science gets it confused as they are trying to understand the physical laws that we find in nature. Just like Christians are trying to understand the Bible and how to apply God's commandments to our lives today. As Jesus said: "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." "For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." It takes the entire Bible to teach us how to love God and how to love our neighbor as ourselves. Science has all of the universe to teach them about God and still somehow they do not always understand. Creation itself testifies about its Creator. King David said in the Psalms, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands” (Ps. 19:1)
Correct. Science cannot learn about creation 7nless they know the creator, rather than shun Him from their fishbowl knowledge. Their growth has been severely stunted.
 
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What do you believe happens to you after you die?

I don't know. Either I'll find out one day, or I'll never know what hit me. Frankly, I'm in no hurry to find out just yet; I got things to do! :)
 
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Not true at all. Probably the uplifting of mountains to where there were real high ones came after the flood. You might as well recite Mother Goose tales.
Wrong, but since you have shown that you can't discuss science rationally there really is no point in discussing this with you. Sadly you deny all science but have no problem in hypocritically using the benefits of the science that you deny.
 
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Wrong, but since you have shown that you can't discuss science rationally there really is no point in discussing this with you. Sadly you deny all science but have no problem in hypocritically using the benefits of the science that you deny.
I don't think he does that.

He just puts science in its place -- that's all.
 
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Wrong, your opinion on my level of Science means nothing.

And you are of course wrong again. This is not an opinion on my part but a conclusion based upon reading your posts. No matter how many times that you claim that you are not ignorant of science your posts shout much louder that you are.



Wrong, you have not shown ignorance on my part about any and all sciences. I can and have shown your ignorance of God. Because there is only one God, not different versions. Also incorrect, you have not shown or provided any evidence that God Jehovah has been refuted.

Don't be silly, of course I have. You believe bedtime stories that are refuted by the simple fact that ice floats. And we don't even know that there is one god. You don't seem to realize that there are many different Christian versions of God. Please try to keep up.




Wrong again, you do have faith.
It takes faith to believe your going to wake up in the morning.
Rom 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Nope. This is an equivocation error on your part. You are using different definitions of faith and pretending that they are all the same. When I speak of faith I am talking of believing without evidence. That is something that you do that I don't.




Never said it, straw man on your part.

I see that you still do not understand simple English. That was a logical conclusion of what you stated. I can quote what you stated and explain how it is a logical conclusion. Stop the dishonest Gishing and I will do so.

Wrong, I'm speaking about the same thing, God, His truth, forgiveness, righteousness and Justice. You my friend have changed the subject so much, it's crazy. your all over the place.

Wrong. You are projecting again.

Doesn't prove that the flood didn't happen. Your correct it could have been a "population bottleneck" With just Noah and His family being the only Humans alive after the flood. But you forget one main thing, God was in charge. He knew this would happen and He knew what to do to repopulate.

Of course it does. You either did not read or did not understand. You don't even know what a population bottleneck is. Again, if you want to go over this in detail start a separate post on this subject. When you keep Gishing I can only give you very light correction. Please don't claim that you understand what a population bottleneck is when you clearly don't.

You see, Noah lived to be 950 years. And his wife most likely lived as long also. That mean they could and most likely would have had many children during a lot of those years. Also there was Shem, Hem and Japeth and their wives, which they also lived for very long time after the flood. There's plenty of History about them, educate yourself and read about it.

Wrong, there is no history of them. There is fantasy about them. You need to learn the difference between history and fairy tales.


Repopulation wasn't a problem.

It would have been a huge problem. If you read about population bottlenecks you would have understood this. Thank you for confirming my earlier conclusion.


Of course not. No one claims that any animals went from one kind to another.

Good. Then please quit strawmanning the theory of evolution. You share a common ancestor with other apes. That is why you are still an ape.


Again, show me the evidence.

Gladly, you know the rules. Start a separate post where you deal only with this topic. No Gishing allowed.




Wrong, Adam and Eve are our common ancestor....We're kin you and I.

Again wrong. The lack of a near extinction population bottleneck shows this. There were never only two human beings. Populations evolve, not individuals.




Wrong, your ignorance on the heart of man, is why you spew so much false and unlogical statements about man.
Life can be better that good enough, When God is in the picture. Because without God, you have no base to compare what is right or wrong, good or bad.

And yet you cannot name one. There are false charges against your neighbor. Guess what Commandment that violates?

Wrong, you just don't have an argument, nor evidence to back your claims.

You know that this is not true. I see that you are still afraid to debate properly and honestly even though I have offered to give you the evidence that you ask for if you do so.

Your right, there are bunch of different interpretations of the Bible. Are they all correct, No. Are they all even biblical? No.
There is only one God, Jehovah. His Son, Jesus and the Holy Ghost.

You are of course wrong about the "God" part but the fact that there are 40,000 different sects show that among Christians there are 40,000 different versions of God.

You can only get to the father through Christ. For He is the one who came to save the Lost. Like you and I.

And yet you have no evidence to support that claim.


But God Jehovah, has never been refuted.

Again, it depends upon what version of God one believes in. I see that you could not honestly answer the question on flat Earth believers. Has there version of God been refuted?


I know this because He is still around, answering prayers. The core church is still here and there are many who have kept the faith.

Nope, God does not answer prayers. The few times that this has been tested the claim has been shown to be false. To claim that he answers prayers puts the burden of proof upon you. All you have are anecdotes at best. Worse yet your personal prejudice will give God credit when he does not earn it and you absolve him when he could be blamed for wrongs. You have a very distorted view of the world.
 
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I get them from the universe around me.



Why? Because you believe it is true?



What genome analysis? How can they swap genes if their progeny are not fertile?



Are you now saying that a kind is a species? Where is your evidence for these claims?



Evidence?

It's a pretty long article On the Scientific America web site:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-prevents-similar-animals-from-interbreeding/

That is what a kind is. Its a species. It's also in Webster. 1a.

Full Definition of species
plural species

  1. 1a : kind, sortb : a class of individuals having common attributes and designated by a common name; specifically : a logical division of a genus or more comprehensive class <confessing sins in species and in number>c : the human race : human beings —often used with the <survival of the species in the nuclear age>d (1) : a category of biological classification ranking immediately below the genus or subgenus, comprising related organisms or populations potentially capable of interbreeding, and being designated by a binomial that consists of the name of a genus followed by a Latin or latinized uncapitalized noun or adjective agreeing grammatically with the genus name (2) : an individual or kind belonging to a biological speciese : a particular kind of atomic nucleus, atom, molecule, or ion

  2. 2 : the consecrated eucharistic elements of the Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox Eucharist

  3. 3a : a mental image; also : a sensible objectb : an object of thought correlative with a natural object

No, the Bible is true, because it's proves itself to be true. It stands on it's own. It does something that no other so called religious book does and does it quite accrual. Prophecies for one, Every prophecy written in the Word of God, has happened, except of course those that are in the future.
there are over 300 prophecies of Jesus Christ written well over 400 years before His birth, that was satisfied and fulfilled.
the odds of hitting every single prophecy is quite astronomical.

To begin with, did you know that the Old Testament prophet Micah, writing circa 700 B.C., out of the hundreds and hundreds of cities in the scores and scores of nations in existence all over the world even in those days, designated Bethlehem of Judea as the birthplace of the Messiah (Micah 5:2)?

And that at about the same time, Isaiah (7:14) said that the Christ would be born of a virgin?

Or that a prophecy made in 1012 B.C. specified that the Messiah's hands and feet would eventually be pierced--a clear reference to death by crucifixion--800 years before the Romans ever even instituted crucifixion as a form of capital punishment!

Malachi 3:1, penned in about 425 B.C., specified that the Messiah would be contemporary with the temple in Jerusalem--a temple that was destroyed in 70 A.D. and has never been rebuilt.

Well, if all this impresses you even a little bit, you ought to go compare Zechariah 11:11-13 (written over 500 years before Christ) to Matthew 27:3-10 (written some 25-30 years after Christ). Only coincidence?

A number of years ago, Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman wrote a book entitled Science Speaks. The book was based on the science of probability and vouched for by the American Scientific Affiliation. It set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling even only eight of the 60 major prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Christ.

The probability that Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight such prophecies would be only 1 in 1017. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000.

Stoner claims that that many silver dollars would be enough to cover the face of the entire state of Texas two feet deep. Now I've been to Texas. I've driven for days to get across Texas. Texas is a very big state. Who in his right mind would suppose that a blindfolded man, heading out of Dallas by foot in any direction, would be able, on his very first attempt, to pick up one specifically marked silver dollar out of 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000?

a paper from United States Senate Chaplain Richard Halverson. In it he wrote:

“The fact is, the birth, crucifixion, and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ are celebrated worldwide by folk of every race, language, and color, every year. And believing in Jesus, they have been delivered from the most evil, disastrous, frustrating, debilitating habits and life forms possible. The real problem with Jesus Christ is not that folk can't believe in Him—but that they won't believe in Him.”

Yep, It's true and it isn't cause I say so.
 
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Okay, you want one subject at a time. Considering you are the one changing it all the time.
The flood.

The evidence of the flood is as follows:

Evidence 1: Fossils of sea creatures high above sea level due to the ocean waters having flooded over the continents
We find fossils of sea creatures in rock layers that cover all the continents. For example, most of the rock layers in the walls of Grand Canyon (more than a mile above sea level) contain marine fossils. Fossilized shellfish are even found in the Himalayas.

Sorry but this is evidence against the flood. There are far too many fossils for the flood. If there was a flood there would have been only one very thin layer of fossils. Look at how much life there is today. In only one formation, a rather fossil rich one, but still it is only a small part of the total of land based fossil life but there would have to be over 20 animals per acres from chicken sized to cow sized to account for just these fossils:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/oldearth2.htm

If you include all of the known fossil beds Noah would not have been able to move due to all of the life, much less find any for his boat. Fossils high up on mountains support geology, a major branch of science that you have just shown that you are totally ignorant of.

And if you include the fossilized sea life you would have tons of corals that could not have ever grown in your short lived Earth. Fish so thick you could have walked on water. You do realize that land based fossils are only one twentieth of all of the fossils. You would make life over twenty times as heavy in he ocean as you want to make it on Earth. Sorry, you lose on fossils.

Evidence 2: Rapid burial of plants and animals
We find extensive fossil “graveyards” and exquisitely preserved fossils. For example, billions of nautiloid fossils are found in a layer within the Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon. This layer was deposited catastrophically by a massive flow of sediment (mostly lime sand). The chalk and coal beds of Europe and the United States, and the fish, ichthyosaurs, insects, and other fossils all around the world, testify of catastrophic destruction and burial.

Yes, there are some fossil graveyards. But that does not mean all fossils are from rapid burial. Usually when scientists say fossils are buried "rapidly" they are speaking of geologic time, and not the sort of time you are. That some fossils were buried rapidly does not support the flood myth.

Evidence 3: Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas
We find rock layers that can be traced all the way across continents—even between continents—and physical features in those strata indicate they were deposited rapidly. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days.

Yes, there are widespread formations. None of the were rapidly deposited. Especially not limestone we know how limestone forms. It is a very slow process. And chalk is even slower. Please. You are just shooting yourself in the foot.

Evidence 4: Sediment transported long distances
We find that the sediments in those widespread, rapidly deposited rock layers had to be eroded from distant sources and carried long distances by fast-moving water. For example, the sand for the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon (Arizona) had to be eroded and transported from the northern portion of what is now the United States and Canada. Furthermore, water current indicators (such as ripple marks) preserved in rock layers show that for “300 million years” water currents were consistently flowing from northeast to southwest across all of North and South America, which, of course, is only possible over weeks during a global Flood.

Please stop listening to idiots. First where is the evidence that supports your claim that the Coconino had to come from the northeastern parts of the U.S. and Canada? Worse yet, the Coconino sandstone is an aeolian deposit. It was wind blown, not water born. The grains of the sand tell us that, the cross bedding tells us that, and aeolian cross bedding is quite different from cross bedding in rivers, deltas and beaches. The fossilized footprints in the sandstone tell us that.

You might want to read this article:

http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Helble.pdf

Evidence 5: Rapid or no erosion between strata
We find evidence of rapid erosion, or even of no erosion, between rock layers. Flat, knife-edge boundaries between rock layers indicate continuous deposition of one layer after another, with no time for erosion. For example, there is no evidence of any “missing” millions of years (of erosion) in the flat boundary between two well-known layers of Grand Canyon—the Coconino Sandstone and the Hermit Formation. Another impressive example of flat boundaries at Grand Canyon is the Redwall Limestone and the strata beneath it.

But that is just a lie on the part of flood "geologists". Yes, there are areas where erosional surfaces are quite flat. I can take you to many areas where there is active erosion and you can see that ultimately the surfaces are flat. Flat surfaces between strata is not evidence for a flood. One has to look close up to see evidence of erosion, or check a wide area. There are many areas where a stream or other change in elevation is not clear. Your last one was so weak I don't even no why you included it. What one will find with uncomformities is that they may be flat in some areas, but not in all, or they will peter out as the land may have tipped a bit in between deposits. This last argument only shows more ignorance on your part.


That's a few. now refute them

Did that, even though you did not exactly follow the rules. You still Gished. One bit of "evidence" at a time. You also need to learn what evidence is.

Now I can show you a photograph that refutes your version of the flood. Would you like to see it? We can discuss it and why it tells us that there never was a worldwide flood. And I see that you still have not dealt with the simple fact that ice floats.
 
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Nope, if that were the case he would walk the walk, all dad does is to talk the talk. He reminds me of someone else here.
What do you think of atheists who:
  1. Prefer to get married in a church?
  2. Enjoy a Christian holiday off work?
  3. Has a cross put on a loved-one's tombstone?
 
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No, the Bible is true, because it's proves itself to be true. It stands on it's own. It does something that no other so called religious book does and does it quite accrual. Prophecies for one, Every prophecy written in the Word of God, has happened, except of course those that are in the future.

Nope. I can refute that claim with two words:

Tyre Prophecy.


there are over 300 prophecies of Jesus Christ written well over 400 years before His birth, that was satisfied and fulfilled.
the odds of hitting every single prophecy is quite astronomical.[/quote]

Actually there aren't. Most of those are simply quote mines. They are not prophecies at all.
To begin with, did you know that the Old Testament prophet Micah, writing circa 700 B.C., out of the hundreds and hundreds of cities in the scores and scores of nations in existence all over the world even in those days, designated Bethlehem of Judea as the birthplace of the Messiah (Micah 5:2)?

But he probably was not born in Bethlehem. It looks like Matthew and Luke cooked the books to make it look that way. The problem is that their claims are refuted by history.

And that at about the same time, Isaiah (7:14) said that the Christ would be born of a virgin?

But that was not the prophecy. That was a mistranslation from Hebrew to Greek. The Septuagint has a translation error that was picked up by the authors of Luke and Matthew. To make the Jesus story more appealing they fudged the record and used that error to claim he was born of a virgin. Rather than supporting the Jesus story that hurts it.
 
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What do you think of atheists who:
  1. Prefer to get married in a church?
  2. Enjoy a Christian holiday off work?
  3. Has a cross put on a loved-one's tombstone?
People get married all over the place. Churches are handy sites for that. Many churches do not care about the beliefs of people that rent their buildings. If anyone is showing hypocrisy it would be the churches since they are doing it for the money. A church is just a building for atheists.

What "Christian holiday"s?

If a loved one of mine was a Christian I see no harm in honoring their beliefs. That is not hypocrisy. But what dad does is obviously hypocrisy. Using computers, which uses the same science that tells us that the Earth is old is hypocrisy. In fact he has to deny all of science to support his beliefs so he should not be using the benefits of science at all.

That I do not believe in gods does not change the fact that a building is just a building.
 
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Teachers are 100% responsible to teach and students are 100% responsible to learn. If the students are not learning then the teacher is 100% responsible for not teaching and the student is 100% responsible for not learning. The teacher does have the responsibility to find different teaching methods to teach their message. What works one day may not work the next. What did not work one day may work on another day. This media is rather limited because you really only deal with one of the five senses. In real life you can find a way to use more of the senses and increase the learning experience. Jesus was the greatest teacher that ever lived so we can follow His example.

Sorry, but teachers cannot force students to learn. There are going to be some students that won't let the teacher help him or her. Also you contradicted yourself. Now if you want to learn people here will help you. But if you keep claiming silly nonsense as being true you will not learn anything.
 
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I do believe that the problem is with the speaker and not the listener.
What [you] believe is not what is important here. What is important, is [knowing] what and who it is that we are dealing with.

If you came into a king's palace or a president's office, you would (or should) not question their authority, and you might not understand their way of doing things. But it is not for you to say, nor are you likely to understand. Yet, here you are, not even perceiving that you are in a king's domain, doing just that. It's even worse than that: You make yourself out to be a mouse in a palace, and instead of fearing for your life and your next meal, you expect to have a say.

You...do not have a say, nor are you even remotely correct in your assumption.
 
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And you are of course wrong again. This is not an opinion on my part but a conclusion based upon reading your posts. No matter how many times that you claim that you are not ignorant of science your posts shout much louder that you are.

Opinion





Don't be silly, of course I have. You believe bedtime stories that are refuted by the simple fact that ice floats. And we don't even know that there is one god. You don't seem to realize that there are many different Christian versions of God. Please try to keep up.

Ice floating, refutes nothing, it does admit that the flood did happen.

There are many different versions of Christianity and god, yes....you notice not capitalized....just because someone says they are Christian doesn't' mean they are. If they believe in a god, who wouldn't send them to hell for sin...false god.
If they believe in a god, that loves and has no wrath...false god.
if they believe in a god, that didn't create....false god.
if they believe in a god, who didn't come down in the form of man and died for our sins....false god.
And yes, these gods are man made and have been refuted by the True God of the Bible. Jehovah.

Yeah, there are many different, false gods. But there is only one True God. The God that is love, who is also just, who is also wrathful, who is also a judge, who is also angry, who is also sinless and so much more. Most especially a God who came to down to earth in the form of a man, called a hypostatic union. He was fully God and fully Man, and He showed that.
That same God's son Christ, came so that we may be saved. Even you, so that you can have your sins cleansed by the blood He shed, because He paid our price for salvation by His Death.






Nope. This is an equivocation error on your part. You are using different definitions of faith and pretending that they are all the same. When I speak of faith I am talking of believing without evidence. That is something that you do that I don't.

What evidence do you have that you will wake up tomorrow?...you don't have any...yet you expect to get up...that's called faith.
You see, your under the delusion that you know everything. Not so. If you did, you wouldn't be here talking to me, because you would already know what I was going to say before I said it.
I say that because you say you have no faith. For you to have no faith, would mean that you know what's going to happen before it happens. that you already have the evidence before you that it will happen. Not possible.






I see that you still do not understand simple English. That was a logical conclusion of what you stated. I can quote what you stated and explain how it is a logical conclusion. Stop the dishonest Gishing and I will do so.

Never claimed to be the best at grammar. suck at it really. but the logic of the flood and ice floating...solid.



Wrong. You are projecting again.



Of course it does. You either did not read or did not understand. You don't even know what a population bottleneck is. Again, if you want to go over this in detail start a separate post on this subject. When you keep Gishing I can only give you very light correction. Please don't claim that you understand what a population bottleneck is when you clearly don't.

population bottleneck is a sharp reduction in the size of a population due to environmental events (such as earthquakes, floods, fires, disease, or droughts) or human activities (such as genocide).

Other words, there was a population bottleneck after the flood, because the population of the earth was destroyed during the flood, only leaving Noah and his family left to populate the earth. Exactly as I explained earlier.




Wrong, there is no history of them. There is fantasy about them. You need to learn the difference between history and fairy tales.

There is written history. Plenty of it. and it being a fairy tale is your really bad opinion.




It would have been a huge problem. If you read about population bottlenecks you would have understood this. Thank you for confirming my earlier conclusion.

Again, your conclusion was incorrect as this statement is also. PB is understood quite easily.




Good. Then please quit strawmanning the theory of evolution. You share a common ancestor with other apes. That is why you are still an ape.

Everyone, including creation scientists agree that species change over time. The fundamental difference is that evolutionists believe that all the diversity of life we see today arose from a single common ancestor and creation scientists believe that all the diversity of life arose from the originally created kinds. This variation includes speciation, but only within the created kinds. Science bears this out as one kind of creature has never been observed to change into another kind despite literally billions of generations that have been scrutinized

Wrong again. Apes are not of the human species. Yes, they are mammals, so are dolphins, why didn't we evolve from them, so are whales and cows anything that has a vertebrae and produces milk for it's young fall under the categorie of mammals. but just because they do, doesn't mean we evolved from them. What it does show though is a Common Creator, God.
So therefore we couldn't have come from them. Why? interbreeding wouldn't have been able to happen. Also, there is no transitional fossils to show the change from ape to man.

You want an honest question. here ya go....Where did the first mammal come from?




Gladly, you know the rules. Start a separate post where you deal only with this topic. No Gishing allowed.






Again wrong. The lack of a near extinction population bottleneck shows this. There were never only two human beings. Populations evolve, not individuals.

individuals change over time. As do populations. They also adapt. They just don't change kind, from one species to another. that we agree.
No Adam and Eve, what evidence do you have that shows otherwise? Opinion on your part.

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And yet you cannot name one. There are false charges against your neighbor. Guess what Commandment that violates?

That man is good enough.....we're not



You know that this is not true. I see that you are still afraid to debate properly and honestly even though I have offered to give you the evidence that you ask for if you do so.


Then quit saying things have been refuted without showing the evidence that it has.



You are of course wrong about the "God" part but the fact that there are 40,000 different sects show that among Christians there are 40,000 different versions of God.

Wrong and answered earlier.






And yet you have no evidence to support that claim.

Yep...called God's Word.




Again, it depends upon what version of God one believes in. I see that you could not honestly answer the question on flat Earth believers. Has there version of God been refuted?

straw man
I'm not talking about the god the flat earth believers believe in. I'm talking of the one from the Bible God Jehovah




Nope, God does not answer prayers. The few times that this has been tested the claim has been shown to be false. To claim that he answers prayers puts the burden of proof upon you. All you have are anecdotes at best. Worse yet your personal prejudice will give God credit when he does not earn it and you absolve him when he could be blamed for wrongs. You have a very distorted view of the world.

God does answer prayers....sometime is answer is ....NO
Opinion on your part.
And there a much more who believe than who don't. That really doesn't make any difference really. God's still there, you'll see one day.
 
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