Does Science Agree With the Bible?

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Indeed it does. You would be hard pressed to claim I'm gullible.

In fact, are you even aware that the word "gullible" isn't even in the dictionary?
You brought it up. Rather than pretend we do not believe in anything, better to admit what we really do believe in.
 
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Indeed it does. You would be hard pressed to claim I'm gullible.

In fact, are you even aware that the word "gullible" isn't even in the dictionary?
And if you say it slowly, it sounds like "oranges".
 
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Things like strong nuclear force, etc.

Your right, laws of physics has nothing to do with the Laws of God, except that God is the creator of all things.

But God's laws, are more important than the laws of nature.
Transgressing God's law is a sin.
 
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We do not have evidence for everything in the Bible. The Bible does not always require evidence to be significant. We do not need to verify the Bible itself, we need to verify our interpretation or our understanding of the Bible.

That is true, but we do have evidence that shows some interpretations of the Bible to be wrong. As I mentioned before believe it or not there are still people out there that believe in a Flat Earth. Many of them base that on their interpretation of the Bible. Would you say that science has shown that interpretation to be wrong?
 
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Your correct, we are all ignorant in many subjects. Science isn't one of them for me. Spanish is, French is, not science

Sorry, but you continually demonstrate that this is not true. You seem to be rather ignorant of all of the sciences.

And yours is about God, your extremely ignorant about Him.

Wrong again, that is only your opinion. I can show you that you are terribly ignorant about science, in fact I already have. You cannot demonstrate that I am ignorant about God. I may be ignorant about your particular version of God, but that version can be shown to be wrong.

I just don't put my faith in science as you do.

And again you are wrong since I don't have faith. That is not a flaw of mine. We went over this.

Again, I never said that mammals weren't vertebrae's man you really have a hard time reading.

I explained your error to you, if you want me to discuss your error with you ask politely in another post. When you make so many mistakes I can only give you a quick correction here.

But you have yet to show me hard evidence of ape to man...where is the Hard evidence.
Buy the way, my family went from tall to short to back to tall again.

You first need to learn what is and what is not evidence. Again, you have tons of errors here. You are doing basically a Gish Gallop. If there is something that you want to go over in specifics ask in a separate post.

I know what clades is...a group of biological taxa (as species) that includes all descendants of one common ancestor. I agree, we have one common Ancestor Adam and Eve and one common Creator, God.And that within a the same species you can interbreed, but there are some that cannot. It's believe the reason for this, and they're not quite certain of it, is there is some type of blocking in the genome of the species.

No, there was no Adam and Eve, that has been demonstrated. Again, too many errors here, but if you look up "population bottleneck" and understand the articles you will see how we know that there was no Adam and Eve, nor Noah for that matter.

I know that you can't go from one kind to another kind. Nothing new there.

Of course not. No one claims that any animals went from one kind to another.

As for the line of decent, I call it the line of deceit, is that there are no...absolutely no transitional fossils to prove it.

Now this is the extreme ignorance that leads to people pointing out the fact that you have no clue when it comes to the sciences.

Your correct again, Humans are monophyletic, we come from one couple. Adam and Eve.

Now you are merely repeating your errors, both in science and in grammar.

About life being good enough, tell that to those who are starving, tell that to those who lose everything, No life isn't good enough, and the main reason,is because We aren't good enough. There is only one good and that's God.

Evolution does not care about that. Just as gravity does not care about people that fall to their deaths. This argument is as foolish as saying that gravity can't be right because people fall and die. As I told you, your logic needs work. For the theory of evolution life is good enough. For those people falling, two bodies will attract. You are trying to put a personage on a process. That will always be a failure for you.

Your really good at saying someone is wrong without backing it up....back it up if i'm demonstrably wrong.

That is because you are guilty of a Gish Gallop. I have told you in the past when you don't understand ask questions properly an politely. If you want details bring up your claims one at a time. Once again, when you make mistakes like this I can only give the lightest of corrections. It always takes more time to correct an error than it does to state it. I will not seriously correct unless you behave properly.

There isn't many versions of God,there are false gods,then there is God,Jehovah of the Bible and He hasn't been refuted.
Prove it.

Wrong. There are roughly 40,000 sects of Christianity alone. Almost all of them do not agree with you on one matter or another. They all have different versions of God. Yes, you will have many similarities, but there will also be many differences, some of them key.
 
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You know these things? where's the proof?
As I said earlier, and your right I goofed on the repost...lol. but as I was saying earlier, There is only one God, Jehovah God, from the Bible and again you say some crazy stuff...been refuted..prove it

Yes, I know these things. And once more, no Gishing and we can go over it. And you have never refuted any of my claims.



What straw man argument?

What you tried to portray as my argument. Surely you know the meaning of that term?




Now who's chunking down a straw man. Never said that, you did.

That was not a strawman argument. That was a conclusion from your statement. You may not realize that you said that, but by making that statement you agreed that there was no flood.

I did ask? I asked why?

It doesn't negate the Noah's flood story.

Also it looks like you messed up the rest of your response. I don't see it. Only my post quoted again.

Of course it negates the Noah's flood story. The fact that you do not understand . And no, that end of the post was mine. Not yours. You did not ask. Not that I saw. But here is why we know that the simple fact that ice floats that there was no flood. At Antarctica and Greenland there are ice caps that are over 500,000 years old in places. That ice would have floated, you admitted it yourself, since we can still observe those icecaps there was no flood. But of course that is only the start.

It would have taken over 5 vertical miles of water to flood the Earth. Yet there is no evidence of such a flood and we have evidence of much smaller older local floods. The newer stronger flood should have "over-written" the old flood evidence. That did not happen. More clear cut evidence that there was no flood.
 
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Your right, laws of physics has nothing to do with the Laws of God, except that God is the creator of all things.
Of course. But He created New Jerusalem and will create the new earth. The laws governing things will obviously be different than today. He created Adam, and the pre fall world was obviously quite different than today also. The world that was before the flood and even a little after also was quite different in some fundamental ways, such as man lived nearly 1000 years. Yet in all these places, the laws of God are the same, because they are forever.
But God's laws, are more important than the laws of nature.
Transgressing God's law is a sin.
Right. Heaven and earth will pass away as we know them, but His word will never pass away.

In looking at all the evidences of science, and the record of ancient man and the record of God in Scripture about the far past, it occurred to me that only a different nature would explain the differences.
 
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It would have taken over 5 vertical miles of water to flood the Earth. ...
Not true at all. Probably the uplifting of mountains to where there were real high ones came after the flood. You might as well recite Mother Goose tales.
 
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It is an exercise in getting outside the fishbowl of life, to expand your horizon beyond the natural world. To do otherwise, is to accept that humanity is less than eternal and merely organic.
Outside the fishbowl?! Like Superman, and Harry Potter?
Life, ScottA, is both organic and eternal.
Of course life is organic. That is pretty much a tautology. Life has not been demonstrated to be eternal. I don't think anything can be demonstrated to be eternal. Induction would lead us to believe otherwise.
The bible is spiritual words from a spiritual being that work in the spirit of man, aided by ministering spirits called angels at times. In all ways God is out of the fishbowl. In all ways God is out of the physical only realm.
In order for your god to be what you want him to be, you had to put your god into the realm of the indemonstrable. For reasons that are your own you had to make him the biggest, baddest, bully on in the universe. He is also the kindest, even when he is killing firstborn children, or all children, or ordering others to kill them, and giving people cancer, and allowing his beloved children to be abused and starved and tortured (In his name!).
If there is a God, then God has to be real. That is tautological. But your god is all paradoxes and contradictions. At least one of your premises is false, as is proven by reductio ad absurdum. So maybe there is a God, but if so, you are certainly wrong about Him.

Addressing religious folks in general: Can you admit that you might be wrong?

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In order for your god to be what you want him to be, you had to put your god into the realm of the indemonstrable.
Jesus was the demo. History is the demo as it was foretold in advance. Science is a demo of ignorance and religious narrow mindedness. God does not fit in your box, that doesn't mean that the box is not full of demos.
 
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Jesus was the demo.
Or was it Superman, or Harry Potter? What did Jesus demonstrate that Penn and Teller, or David Copperfield, or Harry Houdini didn't demonstrate better?
History is the demo as it was foretold in advance.
Some claim, after the fact to be sure, that it was foretold. Just like I foretold back in 1950 that the World Trade Center would fall down.
Science is a demo of ignorance and religious narrow mindedness.
Of course science is ignorant. If it weren't then it would be pointless. We (not including you) know some things that were not known by anyone even a few years ago. But of other things we (including you) are ignorant. We (not including you) are working to correct our ignorance. You seem convinced that you know as much as your god. That leads reasonable people to believe that your god doesn't know very much.
God does not fit in your box, that doesn't mean that the box is not full of demos.
The box is where you put all your fantasies. It is a good place for them because it is an imaginary box, and can hold as many fantasies as you like.

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Sorry, but you continually demonstrate that this is not true. You seem to be rather ignorant of all of the sciences.

Wrong, your opinion on my level of Science means nothing.



Wrong again, that is only your opinion. I can show you that you are terribly ignorant about science, in fact I already have. You cannot demonstrate that I am ignorant about God. I may be ignorant about your particular version of God, but that version can be shown to be wrong.

Wrong, you have not shown ignorance on my part about any and all sciences. I can and have shown your ignorance of God. Because there is only one God, not different versions. Also incorrect, you have not shown or provided any evidence that God Jehovah has been refuted.



And again you are wrong since I don't have faith. That is not a flaw of mine. We went over this.

Wrong again, you do have faith.
It takes faith to believe your going to wake up in the morning.
Rom 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.



I explained your error to you, if you want me to discuss your error with you ask politely in another post. When you make so many mistakes I can only give you a quick correction here.

Never said it, straw man on your part.



You first need to learn what is and what is not evidence. Again, you have tons of errors here. You are doing basically a Gish Gallop. If there is something that you want to go over in specifics ask in a separate post.

Wrong, I'm speaking about the same thing, God, His truth, forgiveness, righteousness and Justice. You my friend have changed the subject so much, it's crazy. your all over the place.



No, there was no Adam and Eve, that has been demonstrated. Again, too many errors here, but if you look up "population bottleneck" and understand the articles you will see how we know that there was no Adam and Eve, nor Noah for that matter.

Doesn't prove that the flood didn't happen. Your correct it could have been a "population bottleneck" With just Noah and His family being the only Humans alive after the flood. But you forget one main thing, God was in charge. He knew this would happen and He knew what to do to repopulate.

You see, Noah lived to be 950 years. And his wife most likely lived as long also. That mean they could and most likely would have had many children during a lot of those years. Also there was Shem, Hem and Japeth and their wives, which they also lived for very long time after the flood. There's plenty of History about them, educate yourself and read about it.

Repopulation wasn't a problem.




Of course not. No one claims that any animals went from one kind to another.



Now this is the extreme ignorance that leads to people pointing out the fact that you have no clue when it comes to the sciences.

Again, show me the evidence.



Now you are merely repeating your errors, both in science and in grammar.

Wrong, Adam and Eve are our common ancestor....We're kin you and I.



Evolution does not care about that. Just as gravity does not care about people that fall to their deaths. This argument is as foolish as saying that gravity can't be right because people fall and die. As I told you, your logic needs work. For the theory of evolution life is good enough. For those people falling, two bodies will attract. You are trying to put a personage on a process. That will always be a failure for you.

Wrong, your ignorance on the heart of man, is why you spew so much false and unlogical statements about man.
Life can be better that good enough, When God is in the picture. Because without God, you have no base to compare what is right or wrong, good or bad.




That is because you are guilty of a Gish Gallop. I have told you in the past when you don't understand ask questions properly an politely. If you want details bring up your claims one at a time. Once again, when you make mistakes like this I can only give the lightest of corrections. It always takes more time to correct an error than it does to state it. I will not seriously correct unless you behave properly.

Wrong, you just don't have an argument, nor evidence to back your claims.



Wrong. There are roughly 40,000 sects of Christianity alone. Almost all of them do not agree with you on one matter or another. They all have different versions of God. Yes, you will have many similarities, but there will also be many differences, some of them key.[/QUOTe]

Your right, there are bunch of different interpretations of the Bible. Are they all correct, No. Are they all even biblical? No.
There is only one God, Jehovah. His Son, Jesus and the Holy Ghost.

You can only get to the father through Christ. For He is the one who came to save the Lost. Like you and I.

But God Jehovah, has never been refuted.

I know this because He is still around, answering prayers. The core church is still here and there are many who have kept the faith.
 
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Yes, I know these things. And once more, no Gishing and we can go over it. And you have never refuted any of my claims.





What you tried to portray as my argument. Surely you know the meaning of that term?






That was not a strawman argument. That was a conclusion from your statement. You may not realize that you said that, but by making that statement you agreed that there was no flood.



Of course it negates the Noah's flood story. The fact that you do not understand . And no, that end of the post was mine. Not yours. You did not ask. Not that I saw. But here is why we know that the simple fact that ice floats that there was no flood. At Antarctica and Greenland there are ice caps that are over 500,000 years old in places. That ice would have floated, you admitted it yourself, since we can still observe those icecaps there was no flood. But of course that is only the start.

It would have taken over 5 vertical miles of water to flood the Earth. Yet there is no evidence of such a flood and we have evidence of much smaller older local floods. The newer stronger flood should have "over-written" the old flood evidence. That did not happen. More clear cut evidence that there was no flood.

Okay, you want one subject at a time. Considering you are the one changing it all the time.
The flood.

The evidence of the flood is as follows:

Evidence 1: Fossils of sea creatures high above sea level due to the ocean waters having flooded over the continents
We find fossils of sea creatures in rock layers that cover all the continents. For example, most of the rock layers in the walls of Grand Canyon (more than a mile above sea level) contain marine fossils. Fossilized shellfish are even found in the Himalayas.
Evidence 2: Rapid burial of plants and animals
We find extensive fossil “graveyards” and exquisitely preserved fossils. For example, billions of nautiloid fossils are found in a layer within the Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon. This layer was deposited catastrophically by a massive flow of sediment (mostly lime sand). The chalk and coal beds of Europe and the United States, and the fish, ichthyosaurs, insects, and other fossils all around the world, testify of catastrophic destruction and burial.
Evidence 3: Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas
We find rock layers that can be traced all the way across continents—even between continents—and physical features in those strata indicate they were deposited rapidly. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days.
Evidence 4: Sediment transported long distances
We find that the sediments in those widespread, rapidly deposited rock layers had to be eroded from distant sources and carried long distances by fast-moving water. For example, the sand for the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon (Arizona) had to be eroded and transported from the northern portion of what is now the United States and Canada. Furthermore, water current indicators (such as ripple marks) preserved in rock layers show that for “300 million years” water currents were consistently flowing from northeast to southwest across all of North and South America, which, of course, is only possible over weeks during a global Flood.
Evidence 5: Rapid or no erosion between strata
We find evidence of rapid erosion, or even of no erosion, between rock layers. Flat, knife-edge boundaries between rock layers indicate continuous deposition of one layer after another, with no time for erosion. For example, there is no evidence of any “missing” millions of years (of erosion) in the flat boundary between two well-known layers of Grand Canyon—the Coconino Sandstone and the Hermit Formation. Another impressive example of flat boundaries at Grand Canyon is the Redwall Limestone and the strata beneath it.

That's a few. now refute them
 
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Of course. But He created New Jerusalem and will create the new earth. The laws governing things will obviously be different than today. He created Adam, and the pre fall world was obviously quite different than today also. The world that was before the flood and even a little after also was quite different in some fundamental ways, such as man lived nearly 1000 years. Yet in all these places, the laws of God are the same, because they are forever.
Right. Heaven and earth will pass away as we know them, but His word will never pass away.

In looking at all the evidences of science, and the record of ancient man and the record of God in Scripture about the far past, it occurred to me that only a different nature would explain the differences.

I agree, With no rain and the different atmospheric conditions some of those laws had to be a bit different.
 
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That of course refers to His laws in the bible, and not to laws of nature.
Yes God gives us two witness, one is the laws that we learn about in Science, the other is the laws we received through Moses in the Bible. Of course sometimes Science gets it confused as they are trying to understand the physical laws that we find in nature. Just like Christians are trying to understand the Bible and how to apply God's commandments to our lives today. As Jesus said: "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." "For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." It takes the entire Bible to teach us how to love God and how to love our neighbor as ourselves. Science has all of the universe to teach them about God and still somehow they do not always understand. Creation itself testifies about its Creator. King David said in the Psalms, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands” (Ps. 19:1)
 
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I do believe that the problem is with the speaker and not the listener.
Teachers are 100% responsible to teach and students are 100% responsible to learn. If the students are not learning then the teacher is 100% responsible for not teaching and the student is 100% responsible for not learning. The teacher does have the responsibility to find different teaching methods to teach their message. What works one day may not work the next. What did not work one day may work on another day. This media is rather limited because you really only deal with one of the five senses. In real life you can find a way to use more of the senses and increase the learning experience. Jesus was the greatest teacher that ever lived so we can follow His example.
 
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