Star Wars

[MrJim]

You do know I'm a big Trekkie, right, Jim? I've met a LOT of the cast of TOS and TNG...

Cool~~and I consider DS9 the #1 series btw

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

1. Star Trek the original series
2. Star Trek TNG
3. .....there is no 3!

Cool~~and I consider DS9 the #1 series btw

 

[Joyful Mama]

You should definitely watch all of them as I have a feeling J.J. Abrams is going to take the plotline somewhere that will link to ALL episodes

 

[Charlie7399]

You should definitely watch all of them as I have a feeling J.J. Abrams is going to take the plotline somewhere that will link to ALL episodes

I'm pretty sure he said in an interview that they focused more on the original trilogy as a basis when making Episode VII. Having seen the movie myself, I didn't notice the slightest hint of anything prequel-related. It's unlikely for the next two films to take a different route, but we'll see.

 

[ArmyMatt]

outer space, guns, characters that grunt more than speak, chicks that were hot in the 70's -- they're practically kissing cousins!

so funny to read coming from a guy who loved X-Men so much. because X-Men has outer space, guns, characters that grunt more than speak, etc as well

 

[jckstraw72]

so funny to read coming from a guy who loved X-Men so much. because X-Men has outer space, guns, characters that grunt more than speak, etc as well

hey, i never said these were bad things ... and also chicks that were hot in the 70's -- come on, early Storm, eh eh

 

[ArmyMatt]

hey, i never said these were bad things ... and also chicks that were hot in the 70's -- come on, early Storm, eh eh

my bad, I incorrectly inferred

 

[Joyful Mama]

I'm pretty sure he said in an interview that they focused more on the original trilogy as a basis when making Episode VII. Having seen the movie myself, I didn't notice the slightest hint of anything prequel-related. It's unlikely for the next two films to take a different route, but we'll see.

You don't think they're going to introduce Darth Plagueis? Snoke seemed like a good candidate...

 

[Charlie7399]

You don't think they're going to introduce Darth Plagueis? Snoke seemed like a good candidate...

Plagueis is long dead... Thanks to the Rule of Two, Sidious had to kill him before getting an apprentice. And there are no Sith left in the galaxy because of that rule as well. Snoke and Ren both use the Dark Side, but since there was no Sith lord to teach them (Vader was the last), they can't be Sith themselves.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Plagueis found a way to cheat death. His apprentice apparently killed him....but...he can cheat death!! LOL

Plagueis is long dead... Thanks to the Rule of Two, Sidious had to kill him before getting an apprentice. And there are no Sith left in the galaxy because of that rule as well. Snoke and Ren both use the Dark Side, but since there was no Sith lord to teach them (Vader was the last), they can't be Sith themselves.

 

[Joyful Mama]

Plagueis is long dead... Thanks to the Rule of Two, Sidious had to kill him before getting an apprentice. And there are no Sith left in the galaxy because of that rule as well. Snoke and Ren both use the Dark Side, but since there was no Sith lord to teach them (Vader was the last), they can't be Sith themselves.

Is he though? Plagueis can supposedly manipulate midichlorians to create life (the theory is that he created Anakin, who was born of the force) so why wouldn't he be able to manipulate midichlorians to cheat death himself? Notice the way he was so disfigured in the movie - he had a hole going through his head, like a lightsabre had infiltrated it. During Snoke's scene, they also played the exact same 'Plagueis' music that they played when Palpatine was talking to Anakin about Plagueis in the prequels.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

In post #50, a very bright poster already made this speculative claim LOL

Is he though? Plagueis can supposedly manipulate midichlorians to create life (the theory is that he created Anakin, who was born of the force) so why wouldn't he be able to manipulate midichlorians to cheat death himself? Notice the way he was so disfigured in the movie - he had a hole going through his head, like a lightsabre had infiltrated it. During Snoke's scene, they also played the exact same 'Plagueis' music that they played when Palpatine was talking to Anakin about Plagueis in the prequels.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Is it too early to do spoilers on the film? Saw it again yesterday - and indeed, it is truly a worthy Successor. It was simply beautiful and yet its own animal in/of itself.

 

[Charlie7399]

Is he though? Plagueis can supposedly manipulate midichlorians to create life (the theory is that he created Anakin, who was born of the force) so why wouldn't he be able to manipulate midichlorians to cheat death himself? Notice the way he was so disfigured in the movie - he had a hole going through his head, like a lightsabre had infiltrated it. During Snoke's scene, they also played the exact same 'Plagueis' music that they played when Palpatine was talking to Anakin about Plagueis in the prequels.

J.J. did say there would be no midichlorians in the new movie, but you can argue that this theory could be valid even without that nonsense. Here's some food for thought: if Snoke is indeed Plagueis, then he is a Sith lord. We know for a fact that Kylo Ren IS NOT a Sith, though. Snoke says that Ren needs to finish his training, true, but historically the title was given right when the apprentice joined the Order. If his master is a Sith, why wouldn't Ren be one as well? Why would Plagueis hide his identity?

Don't get me wrong, this theory is very well thought out, and it might as well be true, but so far I'm skeptical. Also, considering that it has been stated by the filmmakers that they took most of their inspiration from the OT, it doesn't make that much sense for them to take a major plot point from the prequels. About the music, John Williams used the same "humming" theme in situations unrelated to Plagueis (when Dooku and Sidious meet, for instance), so I think it's a more generic "Dark Side" thing than something related to the character himself.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I think it's WAY too early for spoilers. Heck, i'm a hardened Star Wars fan, maybe bigger fan than anyone in this forum, and I haven't even seen it yet! I'm waiting for the crowds to die down and things to thin out. I hate massive crowds.

So, stop the spoilers, y'all!!!

Is it too early to do spoilers on the film? Saw it again yesterday - and indeed, it is truly a worthy Successor. It was simply beautiful and yet its own animal in/of itself.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I think it's WAY too early for spoilers. Heck, i'm a hardened Star Wars fan, maybe bigger fan than anyone in this forum, and I haven't even seen it yet! I'm waiting for the crowds to die down and things to thin out. I hate massive crowds.

So, stop the spoilers, y'all!!!

I saw it Monday...3D even....that's a 1st for me....it was good. Lots of nods to #1 like the chess set, and other comments. Wish they would have brought Luke in sooner though......

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I haven't seen it, like I said, but I will say I read the general plot of it, and it SOUNDS like a rip-off of a New Hope, bad.....I hope I'm reading it wrong!

I have a history of distrusting and not liking JJ Abrams, so the dude has a lot to prove with me. I'm not a member of his worship cult by a long shot!

Please tell me it's not a New Hope repackaged!

I saw it Monday...3D even....that's a 1st for me....it was good. Lots of nods to #1 like the chess set, and other comments. Wish they would have brought Luke in sooner though......

 

[rusmeister]

I wrote this on FB; I don't think it is especially spoiler; if you consider the slightest hint or detail to be spoiler, then don't read further.

I do have criticisms of the new movie, both appreciating what is good and knocking what isn't.

But the good is easy to see, and a lot of people have already written about it. The bad is more subtle, and harder to see. The philosophy of Star Wars is fatally flawed; the dualism of the Force (and its depersonalization of the true Force) and the Zen Buddhism of the Jedi, the substituting of subjective light and dark for good and evil, all make it hard for the mature me to enjoy things I know to be fundamentally false. I can suspend disbelief on technology. I can't suspend disbelief on the nature of good and evil.

The complete nonchalance about Han and Leia failing to live happily together; the natural assumption that our heroes - who are supposed to be our examples to live up to - can't maintain a marriage, and are effectively single. My complaint is against the normalization of the abnormal, the effective rejection of the deal and embrace of its failure as something perfectly normal.

Characters with zero experience suddenly mastering - effortlessly - complex machines, weapons and techniques.

The convenience of actions happening at just the right time, an over-abundance of split/last-second saves and recoveries.

One-syllable names are all the rage. Unconnected to any tradition we actually recognize, they wind up being meaningless random sounds rather than names that mean anything.

Those are the main negatives that come to mind. I'd say in some ways (we need to destroy this new thingie the bad guys have) it repackages the original, in other ways, definitely not.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

The point about Han and Leia failing in their marriage, I didn't know about that, so yeah, ya spoiled me, Rus, but in a way I'm glad you did. I'm not sure I want to see this flick. From what I keep hearing it offers very little in the way of new things, new ideas, new adventures, or anything of depth. It's a glorified homage to A New Hope from what I gather.

I'm sick to DEATH of watching failed marriages on television, in film, and in literature. It just seems like the rubric we're being shown for relationships is one that says, "sooner or later, through hook or crook, somehow, some way, you're going to split. It's just the way of the world." Indeed it is the way of the WORLD, not Christ. As you've pointed out nicely before with the quotes about it by Chesterton, marriage is WORK, it's for life, and divorce is a diabolical, bitter defeat that even we Orthodox take WAY too lightly. Marriage is a type of allegory for our relationship with God. It takes work. There's days God gets on our nerves because He thwarts our all-too-human plans at self-gratification. There are days God is inconvenient or annoying to us. Marriage is work, like you said. Showing Han and Leia being a typical 2015-style couple of selfish dopes isn't encouraging.

Plus I'm just sick of this "I was a Jedi master. I was training Padawan ________, but he was impetuous and went to the dark side." Yeah, we get it.

And from what I hear the first part of the movie sounds like A New Hope repackaged.

I just might skip this flick.

In addition, sometimes stories we cherish are best left alone....Star Wars ended on a happy note on Endor with the Empire in tatters and Han and Leia kissing, Anakin reunited with his Jedi loved ones, Luke satisfied and fulfilled, and Ewoks dancing. Why add to that? LOL

I wrote this on FB; I don't think it is especially spoiler; if you consider the slightest hint or detail to be spoiler, then don't read further.

I do have criticisms of the new movie, both appreciating what is good and knocking what isn't.

But the good is easy to see, and a lot of people have already written about it. The bad is more subtle, and harder to see. The philosophy of Star Wars is fatally flawed; the dualism of the Force (and its depersonalization of the true Force) and the Zen Buddhism of the Jedi, the substituting of subjective light and dark for good and evil, all make it hard for the mature me to enjoy things I know to be fundamentally false. I can suspend disbelief on technology. I can't suspend disbelief on the nature of good and evil.

The complete nonchalance about Han and Leia failing to live happily together; the natural assumption that our heroes - who are supposed to be our examples to live up to - can't maintain a marriage, and are effectively single. My complaint is against the normalization of the abnormal, the effective rejection of the deal and embrace of its failure as something perfectly normal.

Characters with zero experience suddenly mastering - effortlessly - complex machines, weapons and techniques.

The convenience of actions happening at just the right time, an over-abundance of split/last-second saves and recoveries.

One-syllable names are all the rage. Unconnected to any tradition we actually recognize, they wind up being meaningless random sounds rather than names that mean anything.

Those are the main negatives that come to mind. I'd say in some ways (we need to destroy this new thingie the bad guys have) it repackages the original, in other ways, definitely not.

 

[rusmeister]

Well, in my defense, I warned on potential spoiling.

Making continuations to fairy tales necessarily undoes the "happily ever after" factor central to Christian hope.

Speaking of which I'll toss in a curve ball and point out that Carrie Underwood's song "Ever ever after" from the movie "Enchanted", has seriously Chestertonian lyrics. If you haven't read/heard them, you should.