At Pentagon Christmas Service, Franklin Graham Praises ‘God of War’ “We know that God loves. But did you know that God also hates?"

[Servus]

No the fuss is about Christian nationalists who think Christ supersedes the Constitution. Making the fundamental law of the United States subordinate to religion. That's what we keep hearing is the danger of sharia in the US.

The fact that Christ supersedes all doesn't evoke "Christian Nationalism". "Christian Nationalism" is just the latest fearmongering nonsense attempting to persuade people to vote Democrat.

 

[camille70]

Christ should be at the center of and the foundation of all. Christians should rejoice at politicians that are not ahamed of the Gospel and not afraid to proclaim that Jesus is Lord.

I'm always heartened to see and hear Jesus acknowledged in public and private settings.

It's interesting how this plays out whether people are in favor of something or not.

Centering Christ for some would be welcoming the foreigner. They feel it is their Christian duty to protect and even hide foreigners against what they consider to be unjust laws and poor treatment/abuse. However, when people don't want foreigners here, then suddenly Christians following the laws of the land should be the determing factor.

Centering Christ for some would be providing healing through healthcare. Some Christians don't want to do that though because we may help someone who doesn't deserve it. Even though a tenant of our faith is receiving goodness, mercy and forgiveness that we do not deserve


Centering Christ for some would be feeding the poor. However, when Christians don't want to do that they say if you don't work, you don't eat. And even though the majority of people who receive food and other assistance do work, there is no desire to promote a fair and liveable wage (hello Walmart) because even though the love of money is the root of all evil, it's not fair to tax billionaires or require that they pay a fair wage. Some may say the Christian thing to do would be to teach the wealthy to help others and not hoard all their wealth.


Centering Christ for some would be promoting peace and defense of the innocent, spreading goodwill and helping others but that's weak to some Christians so they want a Department of War and to cut aid to people in need.

Centering Christ for some would be doing what He did, which is giving people the free will to believe or not, but for some Christians they would prefer to dictate to others what to believe and how to live, even though they themselves often cannot meet the standards they demand of others.

Supposedly we don't have a religious test in this country to hold office or be citizens. This is for our protection as Christians as well as others. If Pete or any other agency leader can impose their beliefs upon those under their authority, then the next Muslim or Buddhist or Satanist that comes next can do the same.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The whole point of Christianity is for it to flourish and be dominant over secularism, humanism, and false religion. That's what we're supposed to be striving for.

I don't remember that "point", but like many in this country, I'm not interested in what you are selling and...

That all surrender themselves to the Lordship of Christ. That every knee shall bend and every tongue proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord.

we have bad knees, so we will not bend them to anyone.

 

[BCP1928]

The fact that Christ supersedes all doesn't evoke "Christian Nationalism". "Christian Nationalism" is just the latest fearmongering nonsense attempting to persuade people to vote Democrat.

Given your lack of reply to my comment in post 293, voting Democratic might be a wise thing to do.

 

[rjs330]

Centering Christ for some would be welcoming the foreigner. They feel it is their Christian duty to protect and even hide foreigners against what they consider to be unjust laws and poor treatment/abuse.

I think that is true. For example, people helping rhe Jews in Germany. Christians should be a kind and welcoming people. Unless those they are welcoming are destructive to their neighbors. Christians who aee centered in Christ should also be supportive of following rhe laws of the land as well. In America following the laws of the land would also mean not protecting or hiding foreigners who are not here legally.

Centering Christ for some would be providing healing through healthcare. Some Christians don't want to do that though because we may help someone who doesn't deserve it. Even though a tenant of our faith is receiving goodness, mercy and forgiveness that we do not deserve

I don't know of any Christians who don't believe people should get healthcare. It seems you are making an assumption here.

Centering Christ for some would be feeding the poor. However, when Christians don't want to do that they say if you don't work, you don't eat. And even though the majority of people who receive food and other assistance do work, there is no desire to promote a fair and liveable wage (hello Walmart) because even though the love of money is the root of all evil, it's not fair to tax billionaires or require that they pay a fair wage. Some may say the Christian thing to do would be to teach the wealthy to help others and not hoard all their wealth.

Yes, feeding the poor would be what Christ asks us (believers only) to do. However promoting a livable wage is not. Because Christ never taught or supported that. Being Christ centered would support reaching people to help others. However, forcing people to share their money is not Christ centered.

Centering Christ for some would be promoting peace and defense of the innocent, spreading goodwill and helping others but that's weak to some Christians so they want a Department of War and to cut aid to people in need.

Centering Christ also supports what Christ has ordained governments to do. Which would include a "department of war" so to speak, to deal with evil doers who would cause harm to its citizens.

Centering Christ for some would be doing what He did, which is giving people the free will to believe or not, but for some Christians they would prefer to dictate to others what to believe and how to live, even though they themselves often cannot meet the standards they demand of others.

I certainly think that's true on all accounts. Both Christians on the right and the left are equally hypocritical on that account.

Supposedly we don't have a religious test in this country to hold office or be citizens. This is for our protection as Christians as well as others. If Pete or any other agency leader can impose their beliefs upon those under their authority, then the next Muslim or Buddhist or Satanist that comes next can do the same.

Pete hasn't imposed a religious test on anyone in order for them to hold office. Nor has he forced anyone to believe what he believes on anyone either. He has simply shared what his belief is.

 

[Servus]

I'm always heartened to see and hear Jesus acknowledged in public and private settings.

It's interesting how this plays out whether people are in favor of something or not.

Centering Christ for some would be welcoming the foreigner. They feel it is their Christian duty to protect and even hide foreigners against what they consider to be unjust laws and poor treatment/abuse. However, when people don't want foreigners here, then suddenly Christians following the laws of the land should be the determing factor.

Centering Christ for some would be providing healing through healthcare. Some Christians don't want to do that though because we may help someone who doesn't deserve it. Even though a tenant of our faith is receiving goodness, mercy and forgiveness that we do not deserve


Centering Christ for some would be feeding the poor. However, when Christians don't want to do that they say if you don't work, you don't eat. And even though the majority of people who receive food and other assistance do work, there is no desire to promote a fair and liveable wage (hello Walmart) because even though the love of money is the root of all evil, it's not fair to tax billionaires or require that they pay a fair wage. Some may say the Christian thing to do would be to teach the wealthy to help others and not hoard all their wealth.


Centering Christ for some would be promoting peace and defense of the innocent, spreading goodwill and helping others but that's weak to some Christians so they want a Department of War and to cut aid to people in need.

Centering Christ for some would be doing what He did, which is giving people the free will to believe or not, but for some Christians they would prefer to dictate to others what to believe and how to live, even though they themselves often cannot meet the standards they demand of others.

Supposedly we don't have a religious test in this country to hold office or be citizens. This is for our protection as Christians as well as others. If Pete or any other agency leader can impose their beliefs upon those under their authority, then the next Muslim or Buddhist or Satanist that comes next can do the same.

That was a really anti-christian speech of the kind one hears from atheists all the time.

 

[camille70]

That was a really anti-christian speech of the kind one hears from atheists all the time.

I'll take your word for it. The only atheists I'm aware of interacting with on a regular basis are on this forum and I haven't looked for any sort of pattern in their speech.

 

[Servus]

I'll take your word for it. The only atheists I'm aware of interacting with on a regular basis are on this forum and I haven't looked for any sort of pattern in their speech.

I listen to what they have to say about Christianity here and elsewhere. In a lot of cases here on CF I have a hard time telling certain liberal Christians apart from non-christians. And those Christians are always getting lots of likes from the non-christians and vice versa. Birds of a feather as it were. Pretty troubling to see so often.

 

[Belk]

I listen to what they have to say about Christianity here and elsewhere. In a lot of cases here on CF I have a hard time telling certain liberal Christians apart from non-christians. And those Christians are always getting lots of likes from the non-christians and vice versa. Birds of a feather as it were. Pretty troubling to see so often.

You can have different opinions in one area but agree on another. I can see how you would find that troubling.

 

[Pommer]

I listen to what they have to say about Christianity here and elsewhere. In a lot of cases here on CF I have a hard time telling certain liberal Christians apart from non-christians. And those Christians are always getting lots of likes from the non-christians and vice versa. Birds of a feather as it were. Pretty troubling to see so often.

This is an excellent example exposing a downside of entwining religion and politics…we forget that they are completely separate and distinct from one another and it ends up with people being confused as to who is an adherent of the Christian religion based on their political views.

 

[Servus]

This is an excellent example exposing a downside of entwining religion and politics…we forget that they are completely separate and distinct from one another and it ends up with people being confused as to who is an adherent of the Christian religion based on their political views.

It's liberal vs conservative. A lot of times certain liberal Christians espouse secular viewpoints held by non-christians. And the non-christians love it. So the objection isn't against Christianity when it mirrors their secular liberalism. It's mainly only conservative Christianity that they object to.

 

[Servus]

You can have different opinions in one area but agree on another. I can see how you would find that troubling.

Christianity and worldliness are supposed to be in opposition according to Christ. We're not supposed to mix the two together to get a best of both worlds experience.

 

[BCP1928]

Christianity and worldliness are supposed to be in opposition according to Christ. We're not supposed to mix the two together to get a best of both worlds experience.

And your authority to pronounce on this decisively for Christians is...?

 

[Belk]

Christianity and worldliness are supposed to be in opposition according to Christ. We're not supposed to mix the two together to get a best of both worlds experience.

Your opinion on how other Christians are required to view the world is noted.

 

[Servus]

And your authority to pronounce on this decisively for Christians is...?

The words of Christ. As already stated.

 

[Servus]

Your opinion on how other Christians are required to view the world is noted.

I'm going by instructions and commandments of Christ.

 

[Pommer]

It's liberal vs conservative. A lot of times certain liberal Christians espouse secular viewpoints held by non-christians. And the non-christians love it. So the objection isn't against Christianity when it mirrors their secular liberalism. It's mainly only conservative Christianity that they object to.

I think you’re still conflating the religion with the politics.
I know several conservative Christians who are liberal politically. I also know people who are very liberal Christians, but conservative in their politics.

 

[Belk]

I'm going by instructions and commandments of Christ.

Good thing there has never been any disagreement in Christianity.

 

[BCP1928]

Christians are supposed to put the will of God above all else.

And, of course, you are uniquely authorized to dictate to the rest of us what that will is.

 

[durangodawood]

The words of Christ. As already stated.

Honest Christians can disagree about what that means. Not radically - but enough to kill over from time to time.

Honest Christians sometimes even change their own views about how to understand those words, and yet they remain honest.