Star Wars

[Orthodoxjay1]

ohh boy gurney last post is going to beg the question, does the original 3 hold up? I remember as a kid loving them, especially Empire Strike Back.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Few, I repeat, FEW times in my years in TAW have I disagreed with the venerable Matt, but in this case I must say you're nutburgers!!

So it's awful for Darth Vader to shout NOOOO in Ep.3, but in Empire Strikes Back Luke's AWFUL acting with "nooooo, noooo, that's not true! That's impoooooosible" was Oscar material!?

Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor do this AMAZING light saber duel that takes your breath away and for one brief instant they whip the sabers about, but you find that INCREDIBLE LAME ANew Hope Obi Wan old fart vs. lazy Vader inspiring!? LOL! Or the 'breathtaking' Empire Strikes Back battle where Vader fights Luke one-handed as Luke flails about!!? Yeah, now that was amazing!!

Wookees make this annoying sound for decades, and yet when several make it in a battle that constitutes stepping over the line!!? LOL!

High ground defense made sense.

The dialogue was no more Shakespearean than the original three....

The Windu-Sidious stuff was fine. What's NOT to love when the lightning bolts come out to "UNLIIIIIIMITED POWWWWER!!!"

Hayden Christensen is NOT a good actor, I'll grant you 100%....but seriously.... MARK HAMMIL!!?!? One of the worst actors I've ever seen. Billy Dee Williams!!?

The CGI, imho, was awesome in Ep. 3, less cartoonish than Ep. 2....

I have to disagree with the flat acting? After two AWFUL films of blandness, Natalie Portman finally showed her stuff. Ian McDiarmaid was his usual self. The rest were about the same....There was no Jar-Jar----BONUS!

Music score was great, no real plot holes. Everything was pretty sweet.

Vader had to start off skinny, he was a 20-something!! You want overweight Vader!!?

If you're going to blast Ep.3, you'd have to hate the first original three that had
Jawas
Ewoks
Lando's weird bald robot-like buddy
Nien Nunb (remember that dude!!!!?)
Rancor keeper crying
Sarlaccious Crumb
Boba Fett dying to a burp
A trash compactor with a one-eyed monster in it(!!!)
Luke barely caring that his uncle and aunt got barbecued
Darth Vader choking his entire senior staff
Monsters living in meteors
Mark Hamill's acting
Carrie Fisher's acting
Tauntauns (talk about annoying sounds!)
Little pig men running carbon freezing units
Jawas driving 50-feet tall mega tanks through the deserts looking for junk saying "hoop-tee-Dee!" Lol
Leia's cheesy "someone who loves you!" line as Boushh
Bib Fortuna "Dee wanna wanga!"
Admiral Akbar (talk about goofy!)
A guy with a pig nose defending a buddy with a butt mouth in the cantina
Low budget Tuskin Raiders


I submit, Matt, Star Wars is all a tad over the top. In some ways Ep. 3 was tame in comparison!

I must disagree, plus the two glaring plot holes of Leia remembering Padme and how Vader was able to take a ghost form are there.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Leia had the Force, too. Maybe she could see into it in some way Luke couldn't. She said it was outlay feelings. Vader couldn't take afore ghost form, but ANAKIN could. Remember Ep. 3 tells us that Qui Gon Jinn learned in death to return in ghost form, and would teach it to Yoda and Obi Wan. Why in death couldn't Anakin, now redeemed, follow suit to their teaching?

I must disagree, plus the two glaring plot holes of Leia remembering Padme and how Vader was able to take a ghost form are there.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I adored all three, especially ESB and ROTJ!! But I'm merely pointing out that Matt's picky criterion for Revenge of the Sith should disqualify them ALL from being good! Star Wars has always had ham acting, silliness, weird moments, and inconsistency!

Matt sees plot holes with Anakin's force ghost and Leia remembering her mom, but he glosses over the obvious in Leia grabbing Luke and swapping spit with him on Hoth making out!! Yuck! Tongue-wrestling your sister!? LOL....and the "Darth Vader hunted down and murdered your father, Luke" in A New Hope obviously showed Lucas had no plans for Vader to be his pops. That came later, so Lucas did the "certain point of view" corny save in ESB....

Episode III was excellent....flawed at times like ANY SW flick, but superb I thought.

Hey, of course it could've been better! If Tom Hardy had played Anakin and Anne Hathaway Padme, Idris Elba as Mace Windu,
naturally I'd have liked it more!!

ohh boy gurney last post is going to beg the question, does the original 3 hold up? I remember as a kid loving them, especially Empire Strike Back.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Nonsense!! Watch the special features on the DVD's!! The sequence took weeks of preparation and practice, and the stunt coordination was outstanding on site!

I have to disagree here. although the lightsaber battles were fast, they were all pretty poorly choreographed

 

[gzt]

I wouldn't trade Natalie Portman, but I approve of Idris Elba.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I don't know, G. She's not a good actress! She's a looker, but not able to pull emotion or convince me of much!! I remember when I went to see Thor, I couldn't get over how BLAND she was!! I kept shifting my eyes to Kat Dennings!

I wouldn't trade Natalie Portman, but I approve of Idris Elba.

 

[Charlie7399]

I'm really not in the mood to discuss how truly awful Episode III is, so I'll just leave that to Matt. But really, it's only the best of the prequels because the other two actually managed to be worse

Also, I'm amazed at how much I disagree with your ranking, gurney. Since nobody asked, here's mine (and don't say it's nostalgia glasses, I'm still a teenager!):

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. The Force Awakens (maybe it can get to 2 after I watch it again)
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Revenge of the Sith (as I said, by default)
6. Attack of the Clones
7. The Phantom Menace (6 and 7 may be interchangeable)

 

[ArmyMatt]

Leia had the Force, too. Maybe she could see into it in some way Luke couldn't. She said it was outlay feelings. Vader couldn't take afore ghost form, but ANAKIN could. Remember Ep. 3 tells us that Qui Gon Jinn learned in death to return in ghost form, and would teach it to Yoda and Obi Wan. Why in death couldn't Anakin, now redeemed, follow suit to their teaching?

Leia having some Force talent that they never mention? That's bad writing. The many times Lucas changed things over the years you would think he woulda covered his tracks.

And Anakin and Vader are the same person. Sith Lords are not Nestorian AND that form can only be achieved through a life of peace and et centera.

Plot holes

 

[ArmyMatt]

Nonsense!! Watch the special features on the DVD's!! The sequence took weeks of preparation and practice, and the stunt coordination was outstanding on site!

Oh I know they were fast, they were just poorly done

 

[gzt]

Portman is a good actor in everything else she is in. The problem wasn't Portman.

 

[gzt]

The Force needs to be awakened in somebody. And who knows what signs were present in her before? Luke didn't show until Ben woke him up.

 

[Orthodoxjay1]

I don't know, G. She's not a good actress! She's a looker, but not able to pull emotion or convince me of much!! I remember when I went to see Thor, I couldn't get over how BLAND she was!! I kept shifting my eyes to Kat Dennings!

That why I like to watch Natile Portman muted lol, atleast in SW. Nattie very beautiful as always, but the acting for me was meh.

 

[topcare]

I just seen the movie. Loved it but there is a sad moment that I did not expect. Oh and I the weird guy who liked all the movies, I'm not to picky and watch for escape and entertainment. In fact there is only one movie so far that I watched and did not like where there was a lot of bad words.

On edit: I now know what the bad guys lightsaber is the way it is.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I'm aware Vader and Anakin are the same person. Keep in mind, Matt, when I went to see the trilogy in the theater at the time, you weren't even born, mate!

But I think you're missing the point of REDEMPTION. The whole series is about redemption. Look at St. Constantine. We all love him for the Edict of Milan and the pandering to the Church and making Rome so friendly to Christianity. The dude did some awful things! He butchered tons of people and even boiled and killed family members. But on his death bed he repented and was baptized and chrismated. He was redeemed in Christ and the Church declared him a saint. If you can see a guy with tons of demons and dark deeds can be redeemed there, why not with Anakin? The "force ghost" thing seems pretty no-brainer to me.

You're also doing something a tad unfair. You're expected every single small detail to be 1000000% covered with a flawless explanation after starting with Episode IV in 1977 and doing prequels in the 2000's. Come on, man. A touch picky there. I'm a fussy dude, but you're making me look laid-back hippyish!

Leia having some Force talent that they never mention? That's bad writing. The many times Lucas changed things over the years you would think he woulda covered his tracks.

And Anakin and Vader are the same person. Sith Lords are not Nestorian AND that form can only be achieved through a life of peace and et centera.

Plot holes

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Watch her in Thor. Frankly you could put me in a wig and deprive me of sleep for three days and make me hung over on Jack Daniels and I could do better!

She was awful in Thor. Ugh. Zoolander? Oh boy....All 3 prequels? Awful....

She's a looker, man. No doubt! Acting? meh....

Portman is a good actor in everything else she is in. The problem wasn't Portman.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Well, Chuck, we do indeed disagree. I think people were set in their ways AGAINST the prequels before they even came out. Most folks didn't want to give them a chance. And yes, Phantom Menace was weak, so that set people even MORE against them. When Clones came out, they were already raising one eyebrow. And it was pretty thin. By the time Revenge of the Sith came around, people had lumped "those prequels" into one package. I feel Lucas redeemed himself a bit with me with Episode III. I'm aware I'm the only person in this ENTIRE FORUM who likes this movie, and I'm totally ok with that! If you meet me in "real life" I'm a guy who sticks to his guns and is a straight-shooter. I was probably the ONLY dude in North America who went to see "The Avengers" and came out of the theater thoroughly UNDERWHELMED asking, "why are people getting a tingle in their leg over this banality?" I've argued with zillions of people over that flick. In the 1980's I saw "Top Gun" and laughed. I thought it was a dismal disaster and a joke. Yet I saw "Big Trouble in Little China" and felt it was a bona fide masterpiece. I'm the only guy at my Sportsman's Club who shoots and owns three AK-47's, I'm the only Orthodox guy in a city of 125,000 people, I part my hair to the other side, I'm a conservative guy who pulls for San Francisco sports teams, I married a foreigner, I'm a vegetarian but carry a concealed weapon, I'm 6'5" but a gentle giant, I'm practically the only person in TAW who likes the Walking Dead, I collect autographs but hate most celebrities, I don't drink or smoke but have played guitar (metal and rock) since I was 12, you know, I march to the beat of my own drummer, man!

Episode III was awesome. I'm sticking to it! Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it, people!

I'm really not in the mood to discuss how truly awful Episode III is, so I'll just leave that to Matt. But really, it's only the best of the prequels because the other two actually managed to be worse

Also, I'm amazed at how much I disagree with your ranking, gurney. Since nobody asked, here's mine (and don't say it's nostalgia glasses, I'm still a teenager!):

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. The Force Awakens (maybe it can get to 2 after I watch it again)
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Revenge of the Sith (as I said, by default)
6. Attack of the Clones
7. The Phantom Menace (6 and 7 may be interchangeable)

 

[Charlie7399]

You're also doing something a tad unfair. You're expected every single small detail to be 1000000% covered with a flawless explanation after starting with Episode IV in 1977 and doing prequels in the 2000's. Come on, man. A touch picky there. I'm a fussy dude, but you're making me look laid-back hippyish!

Lucas didn't have that much of a backstory in the OT to consider when writing the prequels, really, just some bits here and there. The fact that he didn't even try to make it coherent should tell us something.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Come on, Top---pick one....

You have just seen
or
You saw

But you can't say I just seen!

Perfect tenses, my friend!

I just seen the movie. Loved it but there is a sad moment that I did not expect. Oh and I the weird guy who liked all the movies, I'm not to picky and watch for escape and entertainment. In fact there is only one movie so far that I watched and did not like where there was a lot of bad words.

On edit: I now know what the bad guys lightsaber is the way it is.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Well, that is your perception that he didn't even try. He obviously did. Where is your evidence that there is no coherence and that he didn't even try? Are you confusing your disatisfaction with his laziness?

Lucas didn't have that much of a backstory in the OT to consider when writing the prequels, really, just some bits here and there. The fact that he didn't even try to make it coherent should tell us something.