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You read---but you do not comprehend. Again you are talking about the feeling of wanting to be another sex. Yet it has been stated over and over that that isn't the problem---it is not wanting to be another sex, it is knowing they are another sex. I have no idea how to make it any clearer. But every time you come back with the wanting mentality. not the same thing. I never said a word about "feel good, do whatever you want"--Really?? You think that Bruce Jenner, at the age of 65 is doing the feel good do whatever you want thing, when it has been going on for 65 years?---A little slow figuring out what feels good and doing it. A legit question gets answered, but repeating the same wrong idea is not a question it is a statement of what you believe without understanding the answer that has already been given. WANT (WISH)--AND KNOW-- have 2 different meanings. Like when I was pregnant---I didn't wish it, I didn't want it--I just knew I was. Simple. Why make it so complicated?? You wishing you were the opposite sex is not transgender---I've heard many people express the thought--that is a different thing from KNOWING you already are the opposite sex but the outward appearance doesn't match with what you know to be true.
 
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We may not be who we think we are, but sin that has made a home in us.
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Hi,

So the transgendered are demon or Satan possessed, huh?

That would be fine if you or anyone could prove your position.

So, far to my knowledge no transgender person has ever been exorcised out of being transgendered. To my knowledge no intersexed person has ever been turned into a non intersexed person, by your same logic.

I work for God. That is my primary job, and really that is requested of all of us. All it takes is to give up your free will to God and follow Him. Usually one starts following Him, Biblically. That is how I started. My first assignment, that I was aware of was a homeless man in a wheelchair. It turns out he is also sociopathic, and had at least one demon in him. When God was done with him, using me as His tool, the demon was gone, his grotesque face from a rare bacteria cleared up, and he had a steady but small income, so he would not lie, steal, and deal drugs as much, to continue in the lifestye that he was used to.

That start came from the Bible in a way. We are to help the poor. After leaving church, that thought occurred to me, having me totally miss The Holy Spirit then, as I thought these were my thoughts only and not His.

I walked to my motorcyle, in full leathers. A man in a wheel chair was up the street. I instead sat on the opposite of the sidewalk from the street where my bike was parked. I did not look at him. I just sat there looking at my bike. (Yes I was waiting for him)

As he approached, I did the full but natural total biker thing, (I am that also), and then about three and a half years later, we parted company.

God your God and mine, did some really cool things for that man. I also learned a little bit about separating out demon information, from that of God. The man always knew when I was going to visit him. It scared me why. One day though, when I dropped over (see God bailing me out.), he told me of a conversation I had with a woman outside of the Roman Catholic Church in my town. He then turned on the manipulative flattery, again. Only, I had two conversations with two separate women, one in the sanctified church, and one outside. He only saw one conversation.

I did not know he was demon possessed. I would figure that out. I will withold on purpose the method used, for now. The next day after doing something, I came back and tried to do it again, as I had not done enough, I figured. God became very unhappy with me.

Now, or then, when God becomes (yes I am a mystic. all the Psych guys and girls confirm this.), upset with me, I can barely take it. I am that hurt, afraid and devestated. Upon my redoing that one item, God became upset with me and it took me more than two weeks to recover from that. It still hurts to have upset Him, today.

His, that disabled homeless man's, skin changed and the bacterial pockets started bursting one by one, and also the smells in the house which should be there, were there, but he was no longer more brilliantly verbally abusive when drunk, than when sober.

All the family members noticed. None of them seemed to care or believe what happened. They knew, as I had to ask the house owner's pemission to do what I did. And, since he lived there, I had to ask permission to do somethiing in his room.

I am transsexual, which is the severest form of being transgendered. To me, I am a female in a male body. And, yet, the above is part of my life too.

Entities? Yes, they exist. God? Yes He is Real and exists. I work for God whenever He chooses.

LOVE,
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You read---but you do not comprehend. Again you are talking about the feeling of wanting to be another sex. Yet it has been stated over and over that that isn't the problem---it is not wanting to be another sex, it is knowing they are another sex. I have no idea how to make it any clearer. But every time you come back with the wanting mentality. not the same thing. I never said a word about "feel good, do whatever you want"--Really?? You think that Bruce Jenner, at the age of 65 is doing the feel good do whatever you want thing, when it has been going on for 65 years?---A little slow figuring out what feels good and doing it. A legit question gets answered, but repeating the same wrong idea is not a question it is a statement of what you believe without understanding the answer that has already been given. WANT (WISH)--AND KNOW-- have 2 different meanings. Like when I was pregnant---I didn't wish it, I didn't want it--I just knew I was. Simple. Why make it so complicated?? You wishing you were the opposite sex is not transgender---I've heard many people express the thought--that is a different thing from KNOWING you already are the opposite sex but the outward appearance doesn't match with what you know to be true.
I'm not sure who you are directing this too but it seems you are confusing some people. I keep complaining because you all aren't answering questions, but I make no claims about what the problem is, nor if there is a knowing or a feeling or what, that is all another poster. So maybe you would be well advised to step back long enough to figure out who you are talking to before going on a rant like this. Just a thought for what its worth, it is very annoying and troubling to have you accuse of things that are not true simply because you are confusing posters, it happens a lot, has even happened to me, but annoying and now fair none the less.
 
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Hi to all,

Maybe this will work.

I am going to put out the point, that if God is for me, who of you can be against me?

Before I go on, is anyone capable of saying what God is for, they are against?


I have been a transexual all of my life. I didn't know it. Yet, always God seemed to know it, and as such in my case protected me all of my life.

The clues were all there, at age 5 or younger. That was 1953 or so, and my parents were poor farmers. Even so, my mother and father took me to town one day, but they left me in the car, while they went to talk to the doctor about this observation of their's in me. I didn't understand, and cried myself to sleep in the back of the car. Nothing was ever mentioned of this again.

I also have an incredibly nice Relationship with God. Normally that can be said. Anyone can say that, whether it is true or not. Yet, mine comes with documentation. I have civilian documentation. I also have the results from The Roman Catholic Church, on my relationship with God.

The question for everyone here is, Why would God get so close to a woman, in a man's body? If all detractors are correct, then I should go to hell. Why would God talk to me, if I were so bad?

LOVE,
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Hi to all,

Maybe this will work.

I am going to put out the point, that if God is for me, who of you can be against me?

Before I go on, is anyone capable of saying what God is for, they are against?


I have been a transexual all of my life. I didn't know it. Yet, always God seemed to know it, and as such in my case protected me all of my life.

The clues were all there, at age 5 or younger. That was 1953 or so, and my parents were poor farmers. Even so, my mother and father took me to town one day, but they left me in the car, while they went to talk to the doctor about this observation of their's in me. I didn't understand, and cried myself to sleep in the back of the car. Nothing was ever mentioned of this again.
this brings up another question I have....is every transgender case obvious (still don't have symptoms to go by) from infancy or young childhood? If so, what does that say for those that only suspect they are transgender as they are aging? IOW's is some mystical, magical symptom that no one seems to be able to put forth, that something is obvious from the age of 2 or 3 on and that if there is nothing obvious till after that, it is not truly transgender? Just hearing a lot about this young version and wondering if we can list it as a symptom or not.
I also have an incredibly nice Relationship with God. Normally that can be said. Anyone can say that, whether it is true or not. Yet, mine comes with documentation. I have civilian documentation. I also have the results from The Roman Catholic Church, on my relationship with God.
since I'm not Roman Catholic, this doesn't really mean much to me. I can respect that you think it makes you right, but unless I see evidence in scripture, it's just you making a claim that you can't back up. In fact, if you notice, I have never asked you to evidence any of your personal story. That is because it is pure anecdotal therefore is not evidence of anything at all except your personal story. As to what you claim the Roman Catholic Church said to you, it means nothing to a non Catholic believer, which basically means you would get further in proving your case if you stopped parading it around as if the Church was God Himself. Just saying, I personally am kind of tired of hearing this claim as if it is suppose to mean something to me.
The question for everyone here is, Why would God get so close to a woman, in a man's body? If all detractors are correct, then I should go to hell. Why would God talk to me, if I were so bad?

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .
wow, where did that question come from? From a biblical standpoint, God gets close to everyone, even those that are living in unrepentant sin....seriously, not sure what you think should change that about being transgender, but I guess there are some that might be enough of heretics to make the claim, just haven't seen any here so far.
 
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Well, that all depends on WHO you are calling God.

Beware, there is a false jesus runnin around playing like he is the real Jesus giving out false affirmation for all kinds of things God does not accept.

God's Word teaches what you are doing is a sin and is not accepted by Him. He never changes, and He cannot lie so you might want to repent and ask the real Jesus to forgive you.

He will have mercy on you if you do.
If you don't he won't.

If you do not believe ay of this, then carry on as you were... in the end we'll all find out if God's Word is true or not.

No, it doesn't. His Word Is absolutely true. And, His Name is the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
 
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and we know that no child can be wrong? How do we know that? See, so far all anyone has presented is characteristics that don't identify gender, only our stereotypes based on the society that we live ijn, which makes me wonder if it is more a social problem than a gender problem. In fact, I asked a question about how God who says He doesn't see male or female, can treat someone as female, and I get no response.

Based on the responses I have gotten so far, I am beginning to think this is just a mirage to justify a need for attention, rather than a real issue. Now you all had an opportunity to push me the other way, but to do so means you have to ask questions with misrepresenting them, actually answer question, and offer more than "take my word for it". Currently I am working on my doctorate in pastoral counseling, and if there is no way to identify a true transgender other than "to take their word for it" I'm saying it doesn't really exist. I find it sad though that you all pushed me the opposite direction you want people to go on this issue. Very sad indeed.

So, ALL children are wrong?
 
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the easiest to find are here http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=98276C9297811C483B8398276C9297811C483B83
media paints the picture that cross sex hormones are given to youth....sorry, but it is the picture the media paints.

I didn't see a single vid in that which involved children under the age of consent getting hormones. All you did was do a search for what you wanted it to show and you got hits. That doesn't translate into children getting hormones. They don't. From what I have seen, some can get them at the age of 16 IF they have both parent's consent AND the advice of a qualified therapist or psychologist. (And, that's not just any licensed therapist or psychologist. They must have competency in transgender issues.) Most must wait until they are 18 or more.
 
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So, ALL children are wrong?

Children don't know what they want, or how they feel. They don't even have the hormones to know what it is to be a man or woman. Letting them decide on their gender is irresponsible, to say the least of postponing their natural hormonal growth.

If we were talking about absolutely anything else, this wouldn't even be up for debate.
 
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Here in is part of the problem, you expect to not be understood, rather than expecting to be understood if you are clear about what you are saying. As I said before, I am working on my doctorate in pastoral counseling, if you are so sure I won't understand that you withhold telling me what signs to look for, how will I know who to refer to someone else and who to counsel from a position of just seeking attention? there have to be signs of more than just "take my word or it" or it can't be diagnosed at all, which would explain misdiagnosis, but nothing else.

If you have any knowledge of the DSM-V, your answer is there. There's a full description of symptoms which define a diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria. And the list isn't long at all, less than half a page. Anyone who meets those criteria isn't simply "seeking attention". This is a lifelong condition for every single transsexual I know, myself included. Nobody simply wakes up one day and makes a decision to be transgender. I've never met one who didn't know they had a serious issue within them at an early age. I was 3 or 4 when I realized it. I'm not exactly sure whether I was 3 or 4, but I remember enough about the circumstances then to know for certain that it was at least a year before I was 5. I started school at 5. I was still at home. I have 2 younger sisters. One was born when I was 3, the other a year later. I can't remember how many babies were in the house then. Hence, the inability to know which year it was. Though I tend to lean more towards being 3 at the time, for a number of reasons.

I expect to be misunderstood only because of the HUGE experience of BEING misunderstood. Even most of those who DO understand have a very limited understanding, from what they themselves tell me. Probably the main reason I generally refrain from being explicit in describing my own experience is simply because there are no words to aptly convey the experience. All that is available is metaphors and similarities, because there is no other similar human experience to liken it to. The problem with those is that they have become somewhat cliched and are usually misquoted, misrepresented, and ridiculed.
 
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Ummm...gender and sex ARE the same thing. The brains wiring has nothing to due with a person's sex, it is all psychology. Its common sense, and manipulating the christian community to believe otherwise is actually doing more harm for you than good. Please dont shove down my throat brainwashing liberal nonsense. I wont be fooled out of my mind that there is such thing as a "transgender." It is unnatural, but freedom is the person's to make the decision to have the change or not. I am a pretty tolerant person but dont like anyone trying to shove propaganda down peoples throats.

No, they aren't. Any doctor or psychologist can tell you that. So can most informed people.
 
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Children don't know what they want, or how they feel. They don't even have the hormones to know what it is to be a man or woman. Letting them decide on their gender is irresponsible, to say the least of postponing their natural hormonal growth.

If we were talking about absolutely anything else, this wouldn't even be up for debate.

What has hormones to do with gender? The point isn't that children do or don't know what they want, or what they feel. The point is they can distinguish between them self and another person. And, they can recognize differences in the genders of other people. And, they most certainly DO identify with one or the other. It's not what they want or feel. It's that they DO know who they are.
 
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I want to change my gender for a long time now. Does God consider trans men to be male? Is it a sin?
Hi,
The last trans man that I dealt with, yes Jesus considers him to be male. Jesus personally came and made him a priest last November, despite his female body.
In my case being a trangender female, I was prohibited from being a priest by many and varied encounters, by God, despite forgetting that I was always gender dysphoric.
Looking back, God always knew that I was female, even though I would forget from time to time. He told me through Scriptures once, after about the fifth time He stopped me, from joining a male religious group, that would embarrass Him. I thought about that, and for me it seemed reasonable.
Later, I would transition. Yes, I say that would embarass God, to have a female priest. At least that is my understanding of those words.
It seems that God treats people as they are despite outward appearances.
LOVE,
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Hi,
It is the 12th of the month. Tishri1 started Proverbs of the day. Here is Proverbs 12:

Proverbs 12New International Version (NIV)
12 Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid.

2 Good people obtain favor from the Lord,
but he condemns those who devise wicked schemes.

3 No one can be established through wickedness,
but the righteous cannot be uprooted.

4 A wife of noble character is her husband’s crown,
but a disgraceful wife is like decay in his bones.

5 The plans of the righteous are just,
but the advice of the wicked is deceitful.

6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood,
but the speech of the upright rescues them.

7 The wicked are overthrown and are no more,
but the house of the righteous stands firm.

8 A person is praised according to their prudence,
and one with a warped mind is despised.

9 Better to be a nobody and yet have a servant
than pretend to be somebody and have no food.

10 The righteous care for the needs of their animals,
but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel.

11 Those who work their land will have abundant food,
but those who chase fantasies have no sense.

12 The wicked desire the stronghold of evildoers,
but the root of the righteous endures.

13 Evildoers are trapped by their sinful talk,
and so the innocent escape trouble.

14 From the fruit of their lips people are filled with good things,
and the work of their hands brings them reward.

15 The way of fools seems right to them,
but the wise listen to advice.

16 Fools show their annoyance at once,
but the prudent overlook an insult.

17 An honest witness tells the truth,
but a false witness tells lies.

18 The words of the reckless pierce like swords,
but the tongue of the wise brings healing.

19 Truthful lips endure forever,
but a lying tongue lasts only a moment.

20 Deceit is in the hearts of those who plot evil,
but those who promote peace have joy.

21 No harm overtakes the righteous,
but the wicked have their fill of trouble.

22 The Lord detests lying lips,
but he delights in people who are trustworthy.

23 The prudent keep their knowledge to themselves,
but a fool’s heart blurts out folly.

24 Diligent hands will rule,
but laziness ends in forced labor.

25 Anxiety weighs down the heart,
but a kind word cheers it up.

26 The righteous choose their friends carefully,
but the way of the wicked leads them astray.

27 The lazy do not roast[a] any game,
but the diligent feed on the riches of the hunt.

28 In the way of righteousness there is life;
along that path is immortality.

Footnotes:
  1. Proverbs 12:27 The meaning of the Hebrew for this word is uncertain.
New International Version (NIV)
Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV® Copyright ©1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.® Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide.


LOVE,
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How convenient.

I wonder how extensive the rules are pertaining to defending transgender notions with God and the Bible? I admit I've never looked into the rules, but I just don't see this flying on a Christian site. *jus sayin*

Usually don't pull that card, but when someone starts pertaining to transgender as if it is laced in the fabric of men as toward God or can be some holy avenue then that is where the ball drops.
~sorry~
 
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How convenient.

I wonder how extensive the rules are pertaining to defending transgender notions with God and the Bible? I admit I've never looked into the rules, but I just don't see this flying on a Christian site. *jus sayin*

Usually don't pull that card, but when someone starts pertaining to transgender as if it is laced in the fabric of men as toward God then that is where the ball drops.
~sorry~

You seem to see a contradiction in being a transsexual Christian. There is none. This is a medical condition. It is being treated medically. There is no immorality going on. FTR, I am celibate.

Are there any immoral transsexuals? Of course! Just like there are billions of immoral cis-gendered people. But, being transsexual doesn't equate with being immoral. Those are two distinct issues.
 
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You seem to see a contradiction in being a transsexual Christian. There is none. This is a medical condition. It is being treated medically. There is no immorality going on. FTR, I am celibate.

Are there any immoral transsexuals? Of course! Just like there are billions of immoral cis-gendered people. But, being transsexual doesn't equate with being immoral. Those are two distinct issues.

Sorry if I don't agree with something claimed as a medical condition, reinforced by a threat of immanent suicide if an alleged patient's demands are not met.
If this were really so intrinsic, there wouldn't be any alive today.
 
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Sorry if I don't agree with something claimed as a medical condition, reinforced by a threat of immanent suicide if an alleged patient's demands are not met.
If this were really so intrinsic, there wouldn't be any alive today.

Hi,
Can you say something that is reality based please.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .
 
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How convenient.

I wonder how extensive the rules are pertaining to defending transgender notions with God and the Bible? I admit I've never looked into the rules, but I just don't see this flying on a Christian site. *jus sayin*

Usually don't pull that card, but when someone starts pertaining to transgender as if it is laced in the fabric of men as toward God or can be some holy avenue then that is where the ball drops.
~sorry~

Hi,
Even here, some of your statements are making zero sense.
LOVE,
...MARY., .... .
 
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I'm not sure who you are directing this too but it seems you are confusing some people. I keep complaining because you all aren't answering questions, but I make no claims about what the problem is, nor if there is a knowing or a feeling or what, that is all another poster. So maybe you would be well advised to step back long enough to figure out who you are talking to before going on a rant like this. Just a thought for what its worth, it is very annoying and troubling to have you accuse of things that are not true simply because you are confusing posters, it happens a lot, has even happened to me, but annoying and now fair none the less.

No actually, that was you, I just keep forgetting to quote. I am not confused as to who I am talking to, I am just not making it clear to you--sorry. You said you wanted to be the opposite sex.

Notice I said identifies, not proclaims...I said that just because I identify with the opposite sex, as in, I wish I were the opposite sex doesn't mean I'm transgender and since that is all you offered us as evidence of a young child showing early signs, you need to either evidence that all of us that identify with the opposite sex and wish we were the opposite sex are transgender or change your claim somehow. In fact, here is a hint for you, I have always wished I was the opposite sex, but I have never been transgender. I have always identified more with the opposite sex, but I am not transgender. I had to learn to be content, and when I did, I discovered that changing my sex would not change my gender and so, yeah, I do speak from a position of understanding better than most non transgenders. So, before you judge me as you do above by twisting my question so you sound righteous, take a moment to ask yourself why I would ask questions if I already thought I had all the answers.


No--no one has all the answers---but you have already decided what the answer is--period. The problem is, your answer to the problem is your answer to YOUR problem, not for the transgender. Try removing yourself out of the equation and see if the difference between thinking something, and KNOWING something becomes a little clearer. For that is the biggest thing that connects the transgenders, they don't think they want to be another gender---they know they already are.

And if anyone is interested----and there is no twisting of scriptures here---some verses say that there is to be no cross-dressing, no being effeminate--which means God does differentiate between men and women, obviously He does, He made us different and wants that difference maintained. Everyone likes to quote those. But then when it comes to the transgender the verses about to God there is no male or female will be unleashed using it to mean God doesn't see their plight. That is twisting. God wants the differences, and so do the transgenders. To God there is neither Jew nor Gentile, make or female, rich or poor---are there Jews and Gentiles and does He not recognize the difference??---it is clear that He means just what He says--

(Act 10:34) Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

To God, the Jew is no greater than the gentile, nor is a man greater than a woman, a rich man is no greater than a poor one. The transgender is not coming up with a 3rd sex. There is a clear difference between male and female to them as to everybody else. They are not wanting to be androgynous, to eliminate God's ordained plan, or saying God made a mistake--They just have not had the right equipment handed to them--a genetic anomaly, not a mistake of God. I will again state that we do not know enough about the brain---a stupid little pill made the difference between my friend having a normal life with her head on straight, or one where she had to carry her head almost resting on her shoulder!! A stupid little chemical that most doctors don't know anything about, and so the rest of the world, including me, thought it was all in her head with absolutely no proof that there was anything physically wrong with her at all. She wasn't looking for attention, as even some physiatrists thought, her brain had a lack of a certain chemical. Thank God for that renegade doctor. Someday, maybe a pill will do the trick--for now, transgenders do the best they can.
 
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