Should We Get Rid of Female Sports?

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Thanks, but I'll stick around here and talk to people who post their opinions on the matter at hand.

Pfffffffffffft.

 

[Yttrium]

Believing in biological truth does not make one a bigot, transphobic or anything else ... it's biological science.

Yeah, but...

As I said, the reason we have women's and girls' sports is because males on average have a significant physical advantage in most sports. If we can establish fair physical standards for a women's sport (and not the X Y thing), then I don't see a reason why trans who qualify for those standards couldn't participate.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Yeah, but...

As I said, the reason we have women's and girls' sports is because males on average have a significant physical advantage in most sports. If we can establish fair physical standards for a women's sport (and not the X Y thing), then I don't see a reason why trans who qualify for those standards couldn't participate.

I hope you don't support biological males perving at women in the women's locker room.

 

[Yttrium]

I hope you don't support biological males perving at women in the women's locker room.

I don't want anyone with a penis in a women's locker room.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I don't want anyone with a penis hanging out in a women's locker room.

That's why I don't support biological males with long hair and wearing dresses participating in women's sports, no matter whether fit the criteria or not.

 

[Yttrium]

That's why I don't support biological males with long hair and wearing dresses participating in women's sports, no matter whether fit the criteria or not.

I doubt they'd meet the physical standards. I was thinking more of adults who had the gender reassignment surgery. No penis and reduced musculature.

 

[Bradskii]

I don't want anyone with a penis hanging out in a women's locker room.

Could you please reword that..?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Could you please reword that..?

There have been incidents where trans females looking more like ugly males going into women's locker rooms and exposing themselves in front of the women. One pervert ended up in court, but the case was dismissed because his big gut overhung so much that his genitalia couldn't be seen!

This trans female is suit for the right to use the women's locker room at the gym.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

This is the type of pervert that needs to be kept right away from women's locker rooms and bathrooms.

 

[Bradskii]

There have been incidents where trans females looking more like ugly males...

I guess that you must be the go-to guy as to who passes muster in the looks department. I'll bear that in mind. But perverts are perverts whether they try to convince us that they are police, transgender, priests or teachers. But wouldn't it be idiotic for someone to suggest that because, for example, a priest is such that all priests are such.

So please don't you do it.

 

[Hank77]

I doubt they'd meet the physical standards. I was thinking more of adults who had the gender reassignment surgery. No penis and reduced musculature.

Lia Thomas at 6'4" has a much larger lung air capacity than the women Lia competes against. That would make a huge difference, especially in sports like swimming, and track.

 

[eleos1954]

Yeah, but...

As I said, the reason we have women's and girls' sports is because males on average have a significant physical advantage in most sports. If we can establish fair physical standards for a women's sport (and not the X Y thing), then I don't see a reason why trans who qualify for those standards couldn't participate.

We shouldn't deny science ... you can't change XX or XY ... "gender" on the other hand is fluid and can change from day to day and/or be a combination of several "identies" ... we need some kind of consistency or provide for the inconsistencies by having a category for mixed sports that would provide for that.

Generally speaking ... the XY male physic is stronger than that of a a female XX and that creates a natural, unfair advantage.

To try and create a "physical standard" would be a nightmare ... in doing that then there would need to be a physical standard according to all who participate .... exclusion from their "gender".

 

[Landon Caeli]

When we get rid of female sports, will it be back in the kitchen for them?

While we are at it, let's take away their right to vote. Make them cover their faces in public. Send them to all women's schools. Treat them like second class citizens like they used to be.

What about the segregation issue that exists at the heart of the separation between women's / mens sports? If we're all equal, then women and men should be treated equally at all levels, by not having seperate leagues for men and women?

 

[Belk]

They should base it on biological male/female .... the term woman is an adult female .... the term man is an adult male .... the term girl is a young female the term boy is a young male .... these terms are used to describe an age span ... but the point is it always goes back to biological male or female ... if people want to have co-ed then they can define it as such and anyone can participate. so there would be 3 sports groups.

XX XY is determined at conception and is immutable.

Incorrect. Klinefelter syndrome, XX male, XYY male, Turner syndrome, XXX female, and XY female. True hermphroiditism, mixed gonadal dysgenesis, and pure gonadal dysgenesis are also included, because most of these disorders have abnormal sex chromosome.

[Disorders of sex chromosome] - PubMed

Disorders of sex chromosome, X and Y, consist of abnormality of the number or structure of the sex chromosome. Because sex chromosomes have a variety of genes related to sexual differentiation, disorders of sex chromosome induce a variety of disorders of sexual differentiation. At first, in this...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The Oxford Etymological Dictionary of the English Language of 1882 defined gender as kind, breed, sex, derived from the Latin ablative case of genus, like genere natus, which refers to birth.

It has now been changed to mean something different ... that don't mean that is true. Gender is a social construct not a biological one. Some agree with it ... some don't. I agree to disagree and let us all live in peace.

You can't change XX & XY ... like it or not ... no matter how you live, dress and/or remove/change body parts ... the XX and XY never changes ... people can and do choose the way they want to live in this regard ... but the biology never changes ... something that never changes is absolute truth.

Believing in biological truth does not make one a bigot, transphobic or anything else ... it's biological science.

It is an oversimplification of an extremely complex system and tries to take the statistical norm and apply it as an "Ought".

As far as sports ... The fix ... create a 3rd category of which anyone can choose to participate (co-ed) ... create co-ed showers/bathrooms in addition to male/female shower and bathroom areas.

 

[eleos1954]

Incorrect. Klinefelter syndrome, XX male, XYY male, Turner syndrome, XXX female, and XY female. True hermphroiditism, mixed gonadal dysgenesis, and pure gonadal dysgenesis are also included, because most of these disorders have abnormal sex chromosome.

[Disorders of sex chromosome] - PubMed

Disorders of sex chromosome, X and Y, consist of abnormality of the number or structure of the sex chromosome. Because sex chromosomes have a variety of genes related to sexual differentiation, disorders of sex chromosome induce a variety of disorders of sexual differentiation. At first, in this...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It is an oversimplification of an extremely complex system and tries to take the statistical norm and apply it as an "Ought".

There are a few .... very rare ... DISORDERS ... abnormalities that occur ... however, the rare abnormal condition occurs at conception ...

They are considered a DISORDER - most of these disorders have abnormal sex chromosome. The norm is XX and XY and is immutable.

 

[Belk]

There are a few .... very rare ... DISORDERS ... abnormalities that occur ... however, the rare abnormal condition occurs at conception ...

They are considered a DISORDER - most of these disorders have abnormal sex chromosome. The norm is XX and XY and is immutable.

So we should require everyone to follow the norm even if they fall outside of it?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I guess that you must be the go-to guy as to who passes muster in the looks department. I'll bear that in mind. But perverts are perverts whether they try to convince us that they are police, transgender, priests or teachers. But wouldn't it be idiotic for someone to suggest that because, for example, a priest is such that all priests are such.

So please don't you do it.

I might feel flattered if I was in a male locker room stark naked and a trans male (biological female) came in and had a good look at my wedding tackle (such as it is at my age).

 

[eleos1954]

Yeah, but...

As I said, the reason we have women's and girls' sports is because males on average have a significant physical advantage in most sports. If we can establish fair physical standards for a women's sport (and not the X Y thing), then I don't see a reason why trans who qualify for those standards couldn't participate.

physical advantage

How is this done ... and who makes the determination?

 

[eleos1954]

Incorrect. Klinefelter syndrome, XX male, XYY male, Turner syndrome, XXX female, and XY female. True hermphroiditism, mixed gonadal dysgenesis, and pure gonadal dysgenesis are also included, because most of these disorders have abnormal sex chromosome.

[Disorders of sex chromosome] - PubMed

Disorders of sex chromosome, X and Y, consist of abnormality of the number or structure of the sex chromosome. Because sex chromosomes have a variety of genes related to sexual differentiation, disorders of sex chromosome induce a variety of disorders of sexual differentiation. At first, in this...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It is an oversimplification of an extremely complex system and tries to take the statistical norm and apply it as an "Ought".

It's not the norm

 

[Belk]

It's not the norm

XX and XY are not the norm?