[PERMANENTLY CLOSED]Sex change?

[razzelflabben]

You have no idea how refreshing it is when a cis-gender person demonstrates that they DO get it. I get so used to most cis-gender people misquoting and misconstruing what I, and other transsexuals, say about what we experience, that I expect them to not understand. I'm so glad you made the exception. There's still hope for this world.

Here in is part of the problem, you expect to not be understood, rather than expecting to be understood if you are clear about what you are saying. As I said before, I am working on my doctorate in pastoral counseling, if you are so sure I won't understand that you withhold telling me what signs to look for, how will I know who to refer to someone else and who to counsel from a position of just seeking attention? there have to be signs of more than just "take my word or it" or it can't be diagnosed at all, which would explain misdiagnosis, but nothing else.

 

[razzelflabben]

Lafemme, I would like to have a say on this, I hope you take my view on this to some acceptance. If you want to have a sex change, due to todays political stance, you can have it. You have that right and let no one take it away from you, you do what makes you happy. Don't let anyone's words on here hurt or influence you directly. If you want a sex change, that's Ok. Only one problem and that it is this, you can't have one. It is impossible, even in today's technology, no matter how many people in the media fool you, your gender will be always a part of who you are. Surgery will never change the fact what god originally made you to be. It's not normal. I understand that you dealing with a really hard circumstance, but I don't believe its more so a biological one, but more of a psychological issue (feel free to insult me). It's not normal for a human being to hate their gender, and Its impossible to have a sex change at all. You should embrace what god made you, why do you have to pay to change who you truly are?

taboo topic but spot on

 

[Armoured]

and we know that no child can be wrong? How do we know that? See, so far all anyone has presented is characteristics that don't identify gender, only our stereotypes based on the society that we live ijn, which makes me wonder if it is more a social problem than a gender problem. In fact, I asked a question about how God who says He doesn't see male or female, can treat someone as female, and I get no response.

Based on the responses I have gotten so far, I am beginning to think this is just a mirage to justify a need for attention, rather than a real issue. Now you all had an opportunity to push me the other way, but to do so means you have to ask questions with misrepresenting them, actually answer question, and offer more than "take my word for it". Currently I am working on my doctorate in pastoral counseling, and if there is no way to identify a true transgender other than "to take their word for it" I'm saying it doesn't really exist. I find it sad though that you all pushed me the opposite direction you want people to go on this issue. Very sad indeed.

Um, it's not simply a case of a kid vaguely thinking about what it would be like to be the opposite gender. This stuff isn't done on a whim, you have to seriously convince a host of medical and psychological specialists that GRT is the best course of action before anyone even thinks of commencing a course of treatment, and I imagine that's double so with a child. So the whole "kids can be wrong" argument is a bit misleading. It's more like their parents, their doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, and the kid can be wrong, which doesn't sound nearly as damning, I guess.

 

[Armoured]

Lafemme, I would like to have a say on this, I hope you take my view on this to some acceptance. If you want to have a sex change, due to todays political stance, you can have it. You have that right and let no one take it away from you, you do what makes you happy. Don't let anyone's words on here hurt or influence you directly. If you want a sex change, that's Ok. Only one problem and that it is this, you can't have one. It is impossible, even in today's technology, no matter how many people in the media fool you, your gender will be always a part of who you are. Surgery will never change the fact what god originally made you to be. It's not normal. I understand that you dealing with a really hard circumstance, but I don't believe its more so a biological one, but more of a psychological issue (feel free to insult me). It's not normal for a human being to hate their gender, and Its impossible to have a sex change at all. You should embrace what god made you, why do you have to pay to change who you truly are?

I, personally, can't get over the cellular chromosome issue myself, so no, I don't think that sex change surgery is "real" sex change, for whatever value we place on "real". However, that's not really the point. The fact of the matter is that gender reassignment therapy, whether you consider it "real" or not, is clinically demonstrated to lead to the best long term outcomes for gender dysphoric patients. It's not a mater of political correctness, it's not a matter of whether it's a "real" sex change or not. It's about the best clinical outcome for a patient.

 

[razzelflabben]

Um, it's not simply a case of a kid vaguely thinking about what it would be like to be the opposite gender. This stuff isn't done on a whim, you have to seriously convince a host of medical and psychological specialists that GRT is the best course of action before anyone even thinks of commencing a course of treatment, and I imagine that's double so with a child. So the whole "kids can be wrong" argument is a bit misleading. It's more like their parents, their doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, and the kid can be wrong, which doesn't sound nearly as damning, I guess.

but you still haven't answered the question which makes me very suspicious as I said. what are some of the warning signs? What are some of the markers we should look for. So far, the most convincing marker offered is that the person just says they are transgender. Yet here you say it is more...what are some of the signs, the symptoms so to speak....

 

[Armoured]

but you still haven't answered the question which makes me very suspicious as I said. what are some of the warning signs? What are some of the markers we should look for. So far, the most convincing marker offered is that the person just says they are transgender. Yet here you say it is more...what are some of the signs, the symptoms so to speak....

5 seconds on Google...

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2012...tity-disorder-cohort-children-and-adolescents

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2012/02/15/peds.2011-0907.full.pdf

 

[razzelflabben]

5 seconds on Google...

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2012...tity-disorder-cohort-children-and-adolescents

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2012/02/15/peds.2011-0907.full.pdf

okay, nice try, but I see nothing in either article that lists the "symptoms" of transgenders. You can cut and paste the symptoms if you like, but at this point, I'm pretty convinced by you all that they don't exist, so not worth wasting my time trying to find something so well hidden that even you try to pass off articles about it existing as the "symptoms" for knowing if someone is transgender or not.

 

[madera23]

Why is that so frequently the assumption?

Birth defects exist, including ones involving genitals. There is quite a variety of potential intersex conditions, some immediately visible (hermaphrodite, indistinct genitalia) some not (chromosomal variation), including those that cause the chromosomes to be opposite of that of genital development (XY chromosomes, female body).

We correct cleft lip, separate conjoined twins, fix heart defects, etc. Why are those not equally regarded as "God made a mistake"?

We aren't saying God made a mistake. Nature did. Nature makes a lot of mistakes.

NO, God didnt make a mistake, neither did nature, it is more likely that something happened to the child
that caused the change psychologically.

 

[Armoured]

okay, nice try, but I see nothing in either article that lists the "symptoms" of transgenders. You can cut and paste the symptoms if you like, but at this point, I'm pretty convinced by you all that they don't exist, so not worth wasting my time trying to find something so well hidden that even you try to pass off articles about it existing as the "symptoms" for knowing if someone is transgender or not.

Yeah, you need to actually read the things I posted, sorry.

 

[sahjimira]

Well I don't really go for it. God made u the sex u are. Since u have to keep taking meds to maintain it seems it's unnatural.

 

[Armoured]

NO, God didnt make a mistake, neither did nature, it is more likely that something happened to the child
that caused the change psychologically.

So? Is that not still nature?

 

[Armoured]

Well I don't really go for it. God made u the sex u are. Since u have to keep taking meds to maintain it seems it's unnatural.

Like insulin?

 

[razzelflabben]

Yeah, you need to actually read the things I posted, sorry.

I found more of the information I asked for in my own search but none of it was any different than most people go through in discovering who they are, so still not helpful. Like I said, you all haven't offered anything so far, so feel free to cut and paste the symptoms for review....I didn't see them when I scanned the articles and in fact, the articles themselves testified to that not being the point of the article to start off with. I shouldn't have to do your homework for you.

 

[madera23]

So? Is that not still nature?

NO.

 

[madera23]

I agree

Ever hear of entities?
We may not be who we think we are, but sin that has made a home in us.
madera

 

[Armoured]

NO.

How so? If someone reacts to something, is that reaction not natural?

 

[Armoured]

I shouldn't have to do your homework for you.

Um, you're the one asking for information, you're the one with the homework.

 

[razzelflabben]

Um, you're the one asking for information, you're the one with the homework.

you were suppose to provide the evidence you claim exists, I just asked you to do so. That makes it your homework, but like I said, if it was available info, you all would have provided it by now, so no worries, just more of the same double talk as best I can tell...and I had really hoped for more. The articles you provided do not provide the information you were asked for, it's as simple as that.

 

[Zandy12]

You are confusing and equating gender and sex. Gender isn't a physical trait. It isn't a genetic trait. It is in the brain's construction and wiring. You DID make one correct statement. You cannot change your gender. THAT is correct. However, you CAN change your phenotypical sex to align with the gender which is already present. THAT is exactly what transition is all about.

Ummm...gender and sex ARE the same thing. The brains wiring has nothing to due with a person's sex, it is all psychology. Its common sense, and manipulating the christian community to believe otherwise is actually doing more harm for you than good. Please dont shove down my throat brainwashing liberal nonsense. I wont be fooled out of my mind that there is such thing as a "transgender." It is unnatural, but freedom is the person's to make the decision to have the change or not. I am a pretty tolerant person but dont like anyone trying to shove propaganda down peoples throats.

 

[katerinah1947]

Ummm...gender and sex ARE the same thing. The brains wiring has nothing to due with a person's sex, it is all psychology. Its common sense, and manipulating the christian community to believe otherwise is actually doing more harm for you than good. Please dont shove down my throat brainwashing liberal nonsense. I wont be fooled out of my mind that there is such thing as a "transgender." It is unnatural, but freedom is the person's to make the decision to have the change or not. I am a pretty tolerant person but dont like anyone trying to shove propaganda down peoples throats.

Hi,
Gender and sex are the same thing, huh?
It's all psychological, huh?
It's common sense, huh?
Manipulation?????
You won't be fooled???
It is unnatural???
Freedom to make a decision for the transgender?
And, you are pretty tolerant???
People are shoving propaganda down your throat?

Okay, that's a lot of opinions countered by science.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .