Tools far pre date man, evolution theory kicked in face

[dad]

So, you admit, that lifeforms DO EVOLVE ?

Surely you meant to say "FROM THE TWO ON THE ARK" ?

Right in some cases there were seven of each, but generally just a pair. Yes I would think that in the former nature where rapid evolving was possible, that incredible evolving happened. All from the created animals of course.

So you believe !!

The bible tells us, that the world is forever / His world without end

True, however I am a little fuzzy on that issue. I used to think that He simply burned the surface of this earth totally and then remade it new. I still lean that way, although the bible does talk about a new earth. So I am not dogmatic about that issue any more.

 

[dad]

So, when was the moon created ?

Let me help you

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1. 4.5 billion years ago
2. The moon was formed ~4.5 billion years ago, about 30–50 million years after the origin of the Solar System, out of debris thrown into orbit by a massive collision between a smaller proto-Earth and another planetoid, about the size of Mars.

Why? Because they need that to have happened. What nonsense. What a foolish fable.

In its 4.6 billion years circling the Sun, the Earth has harbored an increasing diversity of life forms:

Lots of life forms left remains, yes. The rest is a pipe dream based on religious nonsense.

Periodic extinctions have temporarily reduced diversity, eliminating:

• 2.4 billion years ago, many obligate anaerobes, in the Great Oxygenation Event;
• 252 million years ago, the trilobites, in the Permian–Triassic extinction event;
• 65 million years ago, the pterosaurs and nonavian dinosaurs, in the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event.

The trilobites simply were creatures that could leave remains. The anaerobes in the former nature may not have been killed for reasons that they now would be killed. You are preaching.

The flood and subsequent nature change caused an extinction and a change in creatures. You misinterpret evidence.

 

[Winepress777]

I never discussed that with you. Not an issue here. The issue is whether God gave us Scripture. The issue is your claim that science has reliable dating, that is based on something other than belief. You are wrong, simply confess.

The issue is not what a day is to the Lord. The issue is what a day is here and to man, which happens to be who He gave Scripture to!

lol

 

[joshua 1 9]

How does a flood break up a supercontinent? What about the other supercontinents that have existed - were they broken up by floods as well?

I do not know about the other ones. What took place at Pangaea is the animals were beginning to devour one another. Satan was causing God's creation to destroy itself. Gal 5:15. "But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another."

" the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

 

[joshua 1 9]

Well maybe. Maybe not. It seems to me that a better timing for the rapid breakup of that big land mass would be after the floood. How else do we explain migration patterns, and how animals got certain places etc? What was the mechanism for a worldwide breakup by a flood??

I mean if we flood some valley or town it doesn't mean it splits in 6 parts does it? What about the heat that would produce, the world would be steamed to death would it not? You need more than a fly by comment here.

Not much about Pangaea in the Bible. You have to study science to find out a little bit more about the break up of that super continent. The only study I have done has to do with the reptile fossil remains they find in the rocky mountains from New Mexico to Wyoming.

 

[dad]

Not much about Pangaea in the Bible. You have to study science to find out a little bit more about the break up of that super continent. The only study I have done has to do with the reptile fossil remains they find in the rocky mountains from New Mexico to Wyoming.

It seems to make sense that all the world was one...language. That seems to suggest not a bunch of continents! Marsupials in Australia...best explanation is one continent after the flood...etc etc.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It seems to make sense that all the world was one...language. That seems to suggest not a bunch of continents! Marsupials in Australia...best explanation is one continent after the flood...etc etc.

Why on Earth do you think that it "seems to make sense that all the world was one .... language"?


We know that it did not take that long after the breakup of the Roman Empire for various territories to start to develop their own versions of Latin. Even in Italy alone there was more than one dialect.

And of course we all know that there was no flood.

 

[florida2]

I do not know about the other ones. What took place at Pangaea is the animals were beginning to devour one another. Satan was causing God's creation to destroy itself. Gal 5:15. "But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another."

" the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

Still doesn't explain how a flood can break up a supercontinent, or even a normal continent for that matter.

 

[pshun2404]

Still doesn't explain how a flood can break up a supercontinent, or even a normal continent for that matter.

The flood did not cause the break up....the breaking up of the deep was one of the things God used to cause or contribute to the flood...(Genesis 7:10 - 12)...then finally in the time of Peleg the "earth" was divided...

 

[dad]

Why on Earth do you think that it "seems to make sense that all the world was one .... language"?

Well, if all the world was connected, with no continents, that would be a plus. But you are right, there had to be more. At Babel, they suddenly, and in the same place started having different tongues. As you may know my idea is that this was also at the time of the nature change God arranged, and may have affected the way man processes info or something.

It was sudden and it was caused by God.

And of course we all know that there was no flood.

Not those who know Jesus.

 

[dad]

The flood did not cause the break up....the breaking up of the deep was one of the things God used to cause or contribute to the flood...(Genesis 7:10 - 12)...then finally in the time of Peleg the "earth" was divided...

Right. So you are one of those that accept that the dividing of continents was included in the dividing that went on in Peleg's day?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, if all the world was connected, with no continents, that would be a plus. But you are right, there had to be more. At Babel, they suddenly, and in the same place started having different tongues. As you may know my idea is that this was also at the time of the nature change God arranged, and may have affected the way man processes info or something.

"Babel" is simply another morality tale at best in the Bible. There is no reasonable reason to believe that story.

Not those who know Jesus.

Wrong, there are many many Christians that will tell you wholeheartedly that they "know Jesus" and do not believe the Ark story. Your insistence on treating this as if it were true drives people from your beliefs. Is that really your goal?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Right in some cases there were seven of each, but generally just a pair. Yes I would think that in the former nature where rapid evolving was possible, that incredible evolving happened. All from the created animals of course.


True, however I am a little fuzzy on that issue. I used to think that He simply burned the surface of this earth totally and then remade it new. I still lean that way, although the bible does talk about a new earth. So I am not dogmatic about that issue any more.

In the day of Noah the earth was cleansed with water. At the end of the church age the earth will be cleansed with fire.

 

[joshua 1 9]

"Babel" is simply another morality tale at best in the Bible. There is no reasonable reason to believe that story.

There is no reason not to believe the Bible. The buildings we read about in the Bible are still there. Saddan Hussein tried to rebuild the city of Babylon but just as the Bible says the city is empty and uninhabited today.

 

[Goonie]

Mispost

 

[joshua 1 9]

Mispost

Only we are not talking about novels. We are talking about history and various fields of science like archeology, biology, botney, genetics and so on. All the evidence is there to verify that the Bible is accurate and true. Even 100 years ago the historical accuracy of the Bible was verified with rock solid scientifically verified evidence.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Still doesn't explain how a flood can break up a supercontinent, or even a normal continent for that matter.

The bible does not directly talk about Pangaea. Noah flood is a shadow and a type of what took place at the break up back at the time the reptiles began to devour each other.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The bible does not directly talk about Pangaea. Noah flood is a shadow and a type of what took place at the break up back at the time the reptiles began to devour each other.

 

[Ben West]

The bible does not directly talk about Pangaea. Noah flood is a shadow and a type of what took place at the break up back at the time the reptiles began to devour each other.

Noah's flood "clean dissolved" Adam's earth but not the present earth. Isaiah 24:19 Our Earth cannot be dissolved in water because it's a rock with a molten core which would boil away any water which came near it. Adam's Earth was only 22.5 feet high at it highest point and was covered with water when the flood prevailed to a depth of only 15 cubits (22.5 feet). Gen 7:19 Sounds Flat, doesn't it? Adam's world had only 4 Rivers which all ran out of the Garden of Eden, which was the highest point on Adam's Earth. There is NO such place on the present Earth since our Earth has thousands of Rivers but they don't all run downhill from a single point.

Our world has NEVER suffered a Global Flood and Pangaea has nothing to do with the story of the arrival of the first Humans on this Planet of Apes. Amen?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Noah's flood "clean dissolved" Adam's earth but not the present earth. Isaiah 24:19 Our Earth cannot be dissolved in water because it's a rock with a molten core which would boil away any water which came near it. Adam's Earth was only 22.5 feet high at it highest point and was covered with water when the flood prevailed to a depth of only 15 cubits (22.5 feet). Gen 7:19 Sounds Flat, doesn't it? Adam's world had only 4 Rivers which all ran out of the Garden of Eden, which was the highest point on Adam's Earth. There is NO such place on the present Earth since our Earth has thousands of Rivers but they don't all run downhill from a single point.

Our world has NEVER suffered a Global Flood and Pangaea has nothing to do with the story of the arrival of the first Humans on this Planet of Apes. Amen?

Science and the Bible agree farming agriculture began in the Tigris Euphrates in what history calls mesopotamia. A lot of research has gone into the study of how the domestication of plants and animals spread to Europe from the middle east.