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I just hope we aren't getting played. It feels like we are.
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I just hope we aren't getting played. It feels like we are.
Gxg (G²);66129420 said:If we claim Christ, then there really is no way of escaping the bottom line reality that love for our enemies is what Christ has called for and advocated ......
Yeah...Paul felt the same way
I would never had heard of Saladin and his conquering of Jerusalem if I had not watched the movie "Kingodom of Heaven".Your post was a long but interesting one. You share an error which i believe has handicapped the Christian witness to Muslims for centuries.
The only way to stop Jihaddist Islam, the Nazis or indeed the evil empire of Soviet Communism was by force. Islam has never been displaced from territories it has conquered except by force. Al Qaeda is a spent force now because its leaders have been systematically assassinated for a decade. The same will probably happen to IS. You show no love to your enemies by simply handing them over to false ideologies.
There are 2 kinds of witness that Saladin one of the greatest Muslim leaders will listen to - Richard the Lion heart and St Francis of Assisi. Christians are the former to the group and the latter to the person.
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Sadly, there is still too much antisemitism in Germany. It has receded to fringe parties, fraternities and drinking groups of old men.
We are commanded to kill the enemies of Jesus (Luke 19:27)
We are commanded to kill the enemies of Jesus (Luke 19:27)
Sadly, there is still too much antisemitism in Germany. It has receded to fringe parties, fraternities and drinking groups of old men.
It isn't acceptable anymore, but it was not destroyed, neither by war or peace.
And Saladin was a liberator, not a conqueror. He was even respected as chivalrous by his contemporary christian adversaries.
Maybe you should really follow the example of Richard the Lionheart towards Saladin and send the muslims gifts.
Uhm. I don't really think the problem is those few spazzes at the university frat parties.
I think the problem are these (if you find the time, at least watch the first video for 4 seconds - I already forwarded to the appropriate time 2:57):
Antisemitische Ausschreitungen nach Linksjugend-Demo | 18.07.2014 Essen - YouTube
Antisemitische Volksverhetzung bei Pro-Hamas-Demo in Berlin (17.7.2014) - YouTube
I have lived here 7 years and my wife decades and we have never heard a single anti-semitic joke. Aside from extremist Muslim or Nazi groups it is just not happening. Are you East German or over 80? Germans tend to be a little blind when it comes to the Palestinian question for instance but that is as far as it goes.
The Germans left wing have a very distorted perspective on the state of Israel but very few native Germans would say that that meant they were antisemitic. There are extremists in every group. But they do not equate Anti Zionism with anti Semitism. Since the state of Israel is protecting Jews from annihilation by groups like Hamas, IS and Hezbollah it is a naivety in the German brain. Also the IS banners at these rallies were probably carried by Islamist for whom rebel groups are a tool. Germans are not personally antiSemitic but a disturbing number are passionately anti Zionist.
And chances are, you won't.
Doesn't mean antisemitism doesn't exist and is far more widespread than you think.
And yes, the extreme left has its problems, too. Those fools have long since lost my respect with their self-assuredness and willingness to bash everyone with a different opinion.
We are commanded to kill the enemies of Jesus (Luke 19:27)
And chances are, you won't.
Doesn't mean antisemitism doesn't exist and is far more widespread than you think.
And yes, the extreme left has its problems, too. Those fools have long since lost my respect with their self-assuredness and willingness to bash everyone with a different opinion.
I agree that most native Germans aren't anti-semitic and even the anti-Zionists are (I would guess) in a slight minority.
Still, the "demonstrations" of our Muslim minorities has been unprecedented, with many cheering "Death to the Jews!", "Adolf Hitler! Adolf Hitler!" (first videos) or "Jew, Jew, cowardly pig, come out alone!" - not to mention that there have been several violent attacks on Jews and others.
It's not just the groups of demonstrators, it's mostly the one-sidedness of their facebook posts and militant comments towards dissenting opinions. Even absolutely apolitical colleagues who enjoy university education reiterated pro-Hamas sentiments and commented on a "Demonstration against Antisemitism" with statements like "anyone who has been to that demo should be beat up". Again, these are university absolvents - not your average dumbdiddle.
And I think that's what's shocking to most Germans, because we actually thought that integration had been working, at least for those immigrants who enjoy higher education. :/
Good to know that you guys haven't encountered these kinds of problems. I'm guessing they're more of a problem in the inner city.
Well you are opening my eyes to something which i find deeply shocking. The student world here can get cut off from reality and some of the leftwing political groups are deranged but i never thought they were this stupid.
Uhm. I don't really think the problem is those few spazzes at the university frat parties.
I think the problem are these (if you find the time, at least watch the first video for 4 seconds - I already forwarded to the appropriate time 2:57):
Antisemitische Ausschreitungen nach Linksjugend-Demo | 18.07.2014 Essen - YouTube
Antisemitische Volksverhetzung bei Pro-Hamas-Demo in Berlin (17.7.2014) - YouTube
IMHO, there's a pulling the cart before the horse mindset - assuming (because force was used to stop something) that it was the only thing that could have been done.Your post was a long but interesting one. You share an error which i believe has handicapped the Christian witness to Muslims for centuries.
The only way to stop Jihaddist Islam, the Nazis or indeed the evil empire of Soviet Communism was by force.
Ultimately, what matters is the power of the GOSPEL - and whether or not we believe it as Jesus said. Not what my opinion is - or what yours is. But what Christ did and what he advocated. Period.The only way to stop Jihaddist Islam, the Nazis or indeed the evil empire of Soviet Communism was by force.
The only way to stop Jihaddist Islam, the Nazis or indeed the evil empire of Soviet Communism was by force.
Gxg (G²);66129420 said:I have NO issue (and I do mean none) with others being able to arm themselves with regards to self-defense[/URL], as Christ was never against that. There were so many saints involved in the Early Church who were warriors in the physical sense and others who were warriors more so from the spiritual sense (like the monks ), yet all were used greatly for Christ ( more in Monastics vs Military Might: Is Self-Defense against Perversion Right?
That's the line that has been touted multiple times with the U.S news feeds when it comes to spreading the falsehood that we did not create Al Qaeda - for what has happened with the ISIS is a matter of evolution since the U.S created them since they were able to break off from Al Queda/use our weapons.Al Qaeda is a spent force now because its leaders have been systematically assassinated for a decade. The same will probably happen to IS. .
Indeed.You show no love to your enemies by simply handing them over to false ideologies.
Christians have already had numerous instances of being St. Francis of Assisi to the GROUP - that is what often gets ignored when it comes to avoiding group efforts and organizations doing extensive work in the Muslim world and seeing Christ transform people entirely....There are 2 kinds of witness that Saladin one of the greatest Muslim leaders will listen to - Richard the Lion heart and St Francis of Assisi. Christians are the former to the group and the latter to the person
Anti- Semitism was never completely broken - I've been to Germany and have had family live there and there are PLENTY of Skin Head groups who are present...and others who do not like Jewish people. It'd be ignorant to claim otherwise - Neo Nazis are alive and well. It became less and was punished more after WWII - but it never died or came anywhere close. Messianic Jews and other Jews have noted this repeatedly and thus we cannot have our heads in the sand on the matter.The deeper force in Germany of which Hitler was the symptom but also an enabler was Prussian militarism. Anti Semitism was completely broken in Germany by defeat in war and it is ignorance to cite any other cause.