Saudi Arabia in the Bible: Destroyed!

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No doubt some will carry on with the literal interpretation of this passage...but that's just not correct.
"The Arab will not pitch his tent there" -literally! -after the destruction that comes to Babylon of Mystery -in Saudi Arabia!
Prophecies that have not been fulfilled but which have been fulfilled in part as a sign of the greater that is yet to come in totality, will indeed be totally fulfilled. And the Arab -get it? -"The Arab"- shall not pitch his tent there!

The Medes =the Turks and the Iranians today, the kings of the east, will destroy Saudi Arabia! From Teman to Dedan -Edom in Saudi Arabia today- where the oil riches come from- will be burning pitch forever.
Mecca, Mystery Babylon, will never be inhabited again, and will be as Sodom and Gommorrah!
Babylon was never become as Sodom and Gommorah, in the first take over of it by the Medes and the Persians -Never! There is the greater and total fulfillment coming of mystery Babylon which is in the desert, and which is where the Arabians "pitch tents".

Isaiah 13:
17 “Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them,
Who will not regard silver;
And as for gold, they will not delight in it.
18 Also their bows will dash the young men to pieces,
And they will have no pity on the fruit of the womb;
Their eye will not spare children.
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms,
The beauty of the Chaldeans’ pride,
Will be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 It will never be inhabited,
Nor will it be settled from generation to generation;
Nor will the Arabian pitch tents there,

Nor will the shepherds make their sheepfolds there.
21 But wild beasts of the desert will lie there,
And their houses will be full of owls;
Ostriches will dwell there,
And wild goats will caper there.
22 The hyenas will howl in their citadels,
And jackals in their pleasant palaces.
Her time is near to come,
And her days will not be prolonged.”
 
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Babylon the mystery is the woman of Rev 17, which is the 1st century Jerusalem, ie, its leaders/Judaism. LIke Mt 23 says, all the blood of the martyrs and apostles were found in it.

There are many more 'kingdoms' that need to be and will be subject to God's wrath on the last day, are there not?
 
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"The Arab will not pitch his tent there" -literally! -after the destruction that comes to Babylon of Mystery -in Saudi Arabia!
Prophecies that have not been fulfilled but which have been fulfilled in part as a sign of the greater that is yet to come in totality, will indeed be totally fulfilled. And the Arab -get it? -"The Arab"- shall not pitch his tent there!

The Medes =the Turks and the Iranians today, the kings of the east, will destroy Saudi Arabia! From Teman to Dedan -Edom in Saudi Arabia today- where the oil riches come from- will be burning pitch forever.
Mecca, Mystery Babylon, will never be inhabited again, and will be as Sodom and Gommorrah!
Babylon was never become as Sodom and Gommorah, in the first take over of it by the Medes and the Persians -Never! There is the greater and total fulfillment coming of mystery Babylon which is in the desert, and which is where the Arabians "pitch tents".

Isaiah 13:
17 “Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them,
Who will not regard silver;
And as for gold, they will not delight in it.
18 Also their bows will dash the young men to pieces,
And they will have no pity on the fruit of the womb;
Their eye will not spare children.
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms,
The beauty of the Chaldeans’ pride,
Will be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 It will never be inhabited,
Nor will it be settled from generation to generation;
Nor will the Arabian pitch tents there,

Nor will the shepherds make their sheepfolds there.
21 But wild beasts of the desert will lie there,
And their houses will be full of owls;
Ostriches will dwell there,
And wild goats will caper there.
22 The hyenas will howl in their citadels,
And jackals in their pleasant palaces.
Her time is near to come,
And her days will not be prolonged.”
This is exactly what I mean. Isaiah 13...a prophecy we see fulfilled in Daniel 5 when Belshazzar was judged by God and the Medes took the Kingdom that night. Daniel 5:25-31:
25 “Now this is the inscription that was written out: ‘MENĒ, MENĒ, TEKĒL, UPHARSIN.’
26 This is the interpretation of the message: ‘MENĒ’—God has numbered your kingdom and put an end to it.
27 ‘TEKĒL’—you have been weighed on the scales and found deficient.
28 ‘PERĒS’—your kingdom has been divided and given over to the Medes and Persians.”
29 Then Belshazzar gave orders, and they clothed Daniel with purple and put a necklace of gold around his neck, and issued a proclamation concerning him that he now had authority as the third ruler in the kingdom.
30 That same night Belshazzar the Chaldean king was slain.
31 So Darius the Mede received the kingdom at about the age of sixty-two.


This is Isaiah 13! The prophecy was fulfilled literally! Though in Daniel 5 it doesn't give detail about how this came about. It is through secular history we learn that Darius took Babylon..and it was the beginning of Babylon's downfall.

The bible does give us more insight though, through Jeremiah 51. Ezra and Nehemiah record the Persian Kings as Judah/Israel remained in Captivity until Cyrus' decree followed by other Persian kings like Ahasuerus and Artaxerses.

It is historical fact that after Darius took Babylon, it continued downward as a significant city in history. We see this as the Persian Empire in history and it's history is under these kings recorded in the scriptures.

Babylon's ultimate destruction comes at the hands of Alexander The Great, it has never been the same since.

God's word is sure...but we must be students of history to understand these things.

Let's just wait and see how it shakes out...because Isaiah 13 in MOST CERTAINLY fulfilled...just read Isaiah 13, Daniel 5, and Jeremiah 51.

Even more...Isaiah tells us loud and clear that the Medes and Persians was God's instrument of judgment against Babylon...so you can't just ignore this history thinking it applies today.
 
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John S said in post 9:

The antichrist will NOT be Islamic

That's right.

The Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), won't support Islam in its past and current form, insofar as Islam affirms that Jesus is the Christ (e.g. Koran 4:157, Koran 4:171), whereas the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Islam affirms that Christ is in the flesh, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Islam affirms that the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Islam (mistakenly) affirms that no man can be God, whereas the Antichrist will say that he's God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Islam forbids the worship of any images (Koran 21:52, Koran 6:74), whereas the Antichrist will have an image made of himself to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15). And Islam rejects Lucifer (Satan) as being evil, whereas the Antichrist will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the Antichrist's religion during his 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be Islam in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.

Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-7), the Antichrist and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be a secretly-apostate pope), could at first pretend to wholly support Islam in its current form (as well as Christianity), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.
 
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Bar Melek said in post 10:

America is Mystery Babylon. New York City is Babylon the Great.

Note that while the corrupt aspects of the U.S. (and of other countries) are included in what Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents, it represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of the U.S. For the U.S. just by itself doesn't reign over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor is the U.S. the only place where people buy merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor is the U.S. the place where all martyrs have been killed (Revelation 18:24). Nor has the U.S. just by itself corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor has the U.S. been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). Instead, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).

Nonetheless, the corrupt world-system represented by Revelation's "Babylon" may currently be headquartered in Washington DC and New York City, insofar as Washington DC may currently be "the crowning city" (cf. Isaiah 23:8) of mankind's corrupt politics, the first leg of Revelation's "Babylon" (Revelation 17:18). And New York City may currently be "the crowning city" of mankind's corrupt economics, the 2nd leg of Revelation's "Babylon" (Revelation 18:11). "The crowning city" of mankind's corrupt religions, the 3rd leg of Revelation's "Babylon" (Revelation 18:24), may currently be Jerusalem, as it was back in the first century AD (Matthew 23:35-38). Ultimately, all 3 legs of Revelation's "Babylon" will become headquartered in the literal rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq), which the Antichrist, during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), will make the capital of the world, only to see his city of Babylon ultimately destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 13).

Tyre was "the crowning city" of mankind's corrupt economics at one point in ancient times (Isaiah 23:8). God allowed the destruction of ancient Tyre as a lesson, an example, "to stain the pride of all glory, and to bring into contempt all the honourable of the earth" (Isaiah 23:9). In the same way, would God allow the future destruction of Washington DC and New York City by terrorist nuclear bombs, as a lesson, an example, "to stain the pride of all glory, and to bring into contempt all the honourable of the earth"?

Also, the Bible teaches that, without repentance, what's sown is reaped (Galatians 6:7). And two nuclear bombs (developed in the "Manhattan" Project) were sown by the U.S. against two major cities in Japan (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) in order to terrorize Japan into surrender during World War II. So could the U.S. in the future reap two terrorist nuclear bombs against two of its own major cities (including Manhattan)? Could the U.S. avoid this fate by publicly repenting before God and asking him and Japan for forgiveness for the U.S. intentionally targeting and murdering 150,000 innocent civilian men, women, and children living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Could the 9/11 terrorists being allowed by God to intentionally target and murder 3,000 innocent civilian men, women, and children in New York City's Twin Towers and elsewhere in the U.S. have been just a warning to the U.S., a mere shot across its bow, to try to get the U.S. to repent for what it did to the two cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? But could the U.S. continue to refuse to repent for its nuclear terrorism against Japan, leaving the way open for nuclear terrorism against the U.S.?

Also, a "restrainer" must be taken out of the way before the Antichrist can come into worldwide power (2 Thessalonians 2:6-9, Revelation 13:4-18). This restrainer could be a powerful angel like the one who will restrain Satan at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 20:1-3). It could be Michael the archangel, the angelic prince over Israel (Daniel 12:1, Daniel 10:21,13). Michael could also currently be the angelic prince over the U.S., making sure that it supports Israel. Part of Michael's being taken out of the way, just enough to allow the Antichrist to come into worldwide power, could be God removing Michael's protection of the U.S. just enough to allow Washington DC and New York City to be nuked by terrorists. This could weaken the U.S. not only by the destruction of its political and economic capitals, but also by the subsequent run on the U.S. dollar which could occur, rendering it close to worthless in world markets. The U.S. government could then finally go bankrupt, unable to finance any longer its huge debt, economy, and military. Its days as a superpower (but not as a nation) will be over, opening the way for the Antichrist to come into worldwide power (Revelation 13:4-18).

If Washington DC and New York City are attacked with nuclear bombs, will this really be the work of terrorists, such as Islamic jihadis? Or could it be a "false flag" operation, one presented to the world as an Islamic-jihadi attack, when in fact it will have been carefully stage-managed from behind the scenes by a powerful cabal, a worldwide secret society of Gnostic Luciferians, as part of their careful, step-by-step plan to prepare the way for the Antichrist (who is a Gnostic Luciferian: 1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4) to take over the world? And besides nuking Washington DC and New York City, could the cabal also nuke Los Angeles, destroying the major west coast port of the U.S.? And could the "Islamic terrorists" claim that they nuked Los Angeles because it contains Hollywood, and contains the San Fernando Valley, a center for inappropriate contentographic video production, so that Los Angeles has contributed greatly to the corrupt entertainment culture that dominates the world today, even in Islamic countries behind closed doors?

Regarding Jerusalem getting destroyed, at the very end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will attack and pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the 2nd coming there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including a 3rd Jewish temple (which will be built) and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall) being completely broken down so that not one stone will be left upon another throughout the city (Luke 19:44). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem in righteousness and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4), during his literal, 1,000-year physical reign on the earth with the bodily resurrected church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).

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Bar Melek said in post 11:

The Anti-christ is more likely to be an Edomite 'Jew' than other type of person on the planet.

The Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), won't support Judaism in its past and current form, insofar as Judaism worships YHWH (Deuteronomy 6:4-5), whereas the Antichrist will utterly revile YHWH (Daniel 11:36, Revelation 13:5). And Judaism rejects Lucifer/Satan as being evil (Zechariah 3:2, Isaiah 14:12), whereas the Antichrist will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer/Satan (the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). And Judaism forbids the worship of any images (Leviticus 26:1), whereas the Antichrist will have an image made of himself to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15).

Regarding the idea (that's sometimes asserted) that the Antichrist will actually be a Jew by blood, both his parents could be Arabs (if his mother wasn't impregnated by Satan). But from some long-ago ancestor, the Antichrist could also have some Jewish blood in him, from the tribe of Dan (Genesis 49:17), which could be the reason that the tribe of Dan isn't included in the 12 tribes of the 144,000 (Revelation 7:4-8; there, "Joseph" stands for Ephraim: Numbers 1:32, Psalms 78:67, Ezekiel 37:16b,19).

The Antichrist could have grown up as a Druze Arab, in Lebanon, in the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). So he could at first present himself to the world as being of the (quasi-Islamic) Druze religion, which is waiting for the 2nd coming of a God-man named "Hakim". The Antichrist's last name could be "Hakim", and he could at first present himself to the Druze people as the fulfillment of the 2nd coming of this God-man. In this way, he could get the Druze to support him without question during an initial rise to power among the Arabs. The Druze Arabs could be the numerically "small people" of Daniel 11:23. The Antichrist could make them his completely-devoted bodyguard, and buy them many key positions of power within a future United Arab States (which the Antichrist could become the leader of in the first stage of his world takeover), and employ them as loyal spies and assassins at every level of his United Arab government and military.

The Druze religion is very secretive. What it teaches to its higher-level initiates isn't even taught to its lower-level initiates. What it could teach to its higher-level initiates could basically be Gnosticism mixed in with the Hakim God-man idea. The Antichrist himself, while outwardly a Druze, could inwardly be a Gnostic Luciferian. He could be a highest-level initiate of a worldwide secret society which ultimately teaches Gnostic Luciferianism, but keeps this a secret even from its own members who haven't been initiated into its highest level.
 
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Interplanner said in post 17:

The 1st page of the Rev says all these things would happen shortly, at hand.

In Revelation 1:1,3 and Revelation 22:10, "shortly" and "at hand" can be understood in the same manner as "Surely I come quickly" in Revelation 22:20, which refers to Jesus' still-unfulfilled 2nd coming. I.e., shortly/at hand/quickly in these verses can be understood from the viewpoint of God, not men (2 Peter 3:8-9).

Also, from the viewpoint of men, part of what Revelation chapters 2-3 foretold could have begun unfolding "shortly" (Revelation 1:1,3) after John saw his Revelation vision. For the letters to the 7 literal, first century AD local church congregations (Revelation chapters 2-3) in 7 cities in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11b) could have foretold a first century AD persecution (Revelation 2:10, Revelation 3:10) under the Roman Emperor Domitian which happened shortly after John saw his vision around 95 AD, near the end of Domitian's reign (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5:30:3c). But even all the (to us) still-future events of the tribulation and subsequent 2nd coming of Revelation chapters 6 to 19 will unfold "shortly" (Revelation 1:1,3) or "quickly" (Revelation 22:20) after John saw his vision. For from the viewpoint of God, even the passing of some 2,000 years is like the passing of only two days (2 Peter 3:8). Christians should look at the future fulfillment of Revelation chapters 6 to 19 (and Matthew 24) from the viewpoint of God, not men, for whom the passing of some 2,000 years seems like a long delay for its fulfillment (2 Peter 3:9).
 
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Babylon the mystery is the woman of Rev 17, which is the 1st century Jerusalem, ie, its leaders/Judaism. LIke Mt 23 says, all the blood of the martyrs and apostles were found in it.

There are many more 'kingdoms' that need to be and will be subject to God's wrath on the last day, are there not?
It is blindness beyond belief to believe that Jerusalem is responsible for the blood of Abel!
The generation that is responsible for the blood of Abel, whom Jesus calls the first prophet slain, [and his prophecy is about the Atonement and the avenging of blood by the Avenger, YHWH -as is recorded in the history book, the Book of Jasher], is the one generation of the wicked responsible for the blood of all the prophets slain and is the one generation of the wicked -sons of wrath- who will not pass away from off the earth until all the signs Jesus gave are fulfilled -as He said.

You do not ever "divide Scripture rightly, comparing Scripture with Scripture" but make up fables that have no foundation in the Word.

As to the nations: Psalm 9 says the wicked shall be turned into Sheol, and every nation that forgets God, but the Word of God has named only nations that Jesus will come to judge when He avenges the blood of His saints as those which surround Israel, and which are all Islamic, and Islam serves the devil himself, denying the Trinity, denying that Jesus is God/Christ come in flesh, denying the Father and the Son, and the devil's seat is in Pergamos/Turkey, as Jesus said, and the Harlot is in the desert and will be totally destroyed before Jesus returns to earth -but destroyed by Islamics with nukes who are in the region of PErsia/Iran called Elam, which will then be nuked and the inhabitants of it scattered over the earth into all nations.
The above is in Scripture. YHWH is specific in His prophecies, and names nations specifically with whom He comes to fight in the person of God the Word, in the last days.


He does not come to fight Russia, but Turkey and the kings of the east -the Medes and Persians, which is a major doctrinal error of western Christianity in not knowing the ancient names and seeing who is lined up against Israel in Ezekiel 38.
Turkey is directly north of Israel, and Turkey has in it the seat of Satan, Pergamos, as Jesus said.

But the Harlot, Mystery Babylon, is in Saudi Arabia, in the desert, and Elam will rise up against her and she will be destroyed in an hour.
But the end is not yet! The Ottoman Empire as the revived 8th king, of the seven of Revelation, will dominate the region and will make a covenant with Israel for the 7 years.
 
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Specific prophecy about Egypt which will be totally fulfilled, and which has not been fulfilled -God is specific: Israel, who once knew God as "The Amen, the Hidden God who was to be revealed" [The Revelation of Him states He is the Amen]; and they are only one nation who changed His glory to a lie -as Romans 1 states.

But Egypt will turn again to the LORD, and know Him in the Person of God the Word, their Savior.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;


Egypt, Assyria, and Israel Blessed

18 In that day five cities in the land of Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear by the Lord of hosts; one will be called the City of Destruction.[d]
19 In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its border. 20 And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the Lord because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them. 21 Then the Lord will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the Lord and perform it. 22 And the Lord will strike Egypt, He will strike and heal it; they will return to the Lord, and He will be entreated by them and heal them.
23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”
 
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Jeremiah 49


Judgment on Elam

34 The word of the Lord that came to Jeremiah the prophet against Elam, in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, saying, 35 “Thus says the Lord of hosts:
‘Behold, I will break the bow of Elam,
The foremost of their might.
36 Against Elam I will bring the four winds
From the four quarters of heaven,
And scatter them toward all those winds;
There shall be no nations where the outcasts of Elam will not go.
37 For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies
And before those who seek their life.
I will bring disaster upon them,
My fierce anger,’ says the Lord;
‘And I will send the sword after them
Until I have consumed them.
38 I will set My throne in Elam,

And will destroy from there the king and the princes,’ says the Lord.

39 ‘But it shall come to pass in the latter days:
I will bring back the captives of Elam,’ says the Lord.”



The Iranian Bushehr Nuke plant is in Elam.

 
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yeshuasavedme said in post 30:

He does not come to fight Russia, but Turkey and the kings of the east -the Medes and Persians, which is a major doctrinal error of western Christianity in not knowing the ancient names and seeing who is lined up against Israel in Ezekiel 38.

Note that the Gog/Magog attack on Israel (Ezekiel chapters 38-39) won't occur until after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-10), when there will be no defensive walls or fear of attack in Israel whatsoever (Ezekiel 38:11). This is the exact opposite of today's situation, when Israel is filled with very high defensive walls, and is in constant fear of attack. At the beginning of the millennium, all present-day weapons of war will be destroyed, and they won't be allowed to be remade during the millennium (Micah 4:3-4). That's why after the millennium, the Gog/Magog armies will employ only rudimentary, wooden weapons like bows and arrows, spears, shields, and clubs (Ezekiel 39:9), which, after the defeat of the Gog/Magog armies, will be able to be used as convenient firewood by the people living in Israel at that time, instead of them having to go out and collect or cut down firewood from the forest (Ezekiel 39:10).

The Gog in Revelation 20:8 is the same as in Ezekiel chapters 38-39: an individual human leader whose personal name is "Gog" (Ezekiel 38:3). He could be born near the end of the millennium, and he will be killed and buried at the end of the Gog/Magog attack (Ezekiel 39:11). The Gog/Magog armies are defeated by fire from heaven in both accounts of the attack (Ezekiel 38:22, Revelation 20:9). While the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15) will occur subsequent to the defeat of the Gog/Magog attack (Revelation 20:7-15), nothing requires (as is sometimes claimed) that the great white throne judgment has to happen immediately after the defeat of the attack. For there will be at least 7 years (Ezekiel 39:9b) between the defeat of the Gog/Magog attack and the great white throne judgment.

Also, the Gog/Magog attack won't have to (as is sometimes claimed) involve only the nations listed in Ezekiel chapters 38-39. Those nations could be just a sampling. For the "nations" (ethnos), or peoples, who will be involved in the Gog/Magog attack will come from all over the earth (Revelation 20:8). They will still be physically part of Jesus' worldwide kingdom, still legally under his rule, just as they had been during the preceding millennium (Psalms 72:8-11, Psalms 66:3, Psalms 2). But after the millennium, they will be deceived by Satan into committing the attack (Revelation 20:7-10).

Also, while the Gog/Magog attack on Israel won't occur until after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39), Israel could suffer a different attack at the start of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which attack could result in Israel's total defeat and occupation (Daniel 11:15-17).

And Jerusalem could be attacked in the future at least 3 times before the millennium: once near the start of the future tribulation (Daniel 11:22), then again mid-tribulation (Daniel 11:31), and then at the tribulation's end (Daniel 11:45), right before Jesus' 2nd coming and the start of the millennium (Zechariah 14:2-21).

yeshuasavedme said in post 30:

Turkey is directly north of Israel, and Turkey has in it the seat of Satan, Pergamos, as Jesus said.

Revelation 13:2b refers to when Satan (the dragon, Revelation 12:9) will give the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) Satan's own earthly throne (seat) and power, so that the Antichrist will have power over all the nations of the earth (Revelation 13:7). This is what Satan offered Jesus, if he would worship Satan (Luke 4:5-7). In the first century AD, Satan's earthly throne was in the city of Pergamum (in what's now Turkey) (Revelation 2:12-13). Satan's earthly throne could be the Great Altar of Pergamum, also called the Pergamon Altar, which in ancient times was sometimes included as one of the 7 wonders of the world.

It may not be just a coincidence that shortly after the Pergamon Altar was moved to Berlin around 1900 AD, both World Wars were started from Berlin, or that "the Nazi-era architect Albert Speer used the Pergamon Altar as the model for the Zeppelintribüne, 1934-37. The Führer's pulpit was in the center of the tribune" (Pergamon Altar - Wikipedia) (quote has been deleted for some reason). When the Antichrist is given power over the whole earth (Revelation 13:7), his throne could be located in the center of the actual Pergamon Altar, which he could move from Berlin to a main temple to himself (and to Lucifer/Satan) in the literal, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq). For a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

yeshuasavedme said in post 30:

The Ottoman Empire as the revived 8th king, of the seven of Revelation, will dominate the region and will make a covenant with Israel for the 7 years.

The 7 heads of the beast in its empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3) represent 7 different empires (Revelation 17:9-10): Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam. The first 5 had fallen by the time of John the apostle in the first century AD: "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10, Revelation 1:1b-2). The 6th (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Revelation 17:10). The 7th (possibly Islam) hadn't come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:10). The empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, 8th head (Revelation 17:11), which will be a revival of one of the 5 empires that had fallen by the time of John (Revelation 17:8,10,11). It will be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The Antichrist will transform the present-day, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) into the capital of his world empire, only to see his city of Babylon ultimately destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 13).

Before the 2nd coming, when the world is brought into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist, during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist will build their main temple in the city of Babylon. For (again) a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

The Antichrist may claim to be Nebuchadnezzar returned, and so reinstitute the system that Nebuchadnezzar set up whereby everyone had to worship an image or be killed (Daniel 3, Revelation 13:15). The Antichrist may also claim to be, at the same time, the return of Nimrod (the founder of Babylon: Genesis 10:8-10), and Hammurabi, and Asoka, and other famous rulers of the past. For he may claim that he has had many different "past lives" as various "enlightened" rulers.

Besides building a main temple in Babylon, the Antichrist will also sit (at least one time) in a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and declare himself God there (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). The Antichrist could also sit (at least one time) in other religions' holiest shrines, and declare himself to be God there as well. For example, he could also sit in Islam's Kaaba in Mecca, in the Sikhs' Golden Temple in Amritsar, in Catholicism's St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, etc.
 
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Note that the Gog/Magog attack on Israel (Ezekiel chapters 38-39) won't occur until after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-10), when there will be no defensive walls or fear of attack in Israel whatsoever (Ezekiel 38:11). This is the exact opposite of today's situation, when Israel is filled with very high defensive walls, and is in constant fear of attack. ....
The Gog Magog Attack in Ezekiel 38 will occur before the millennial reign, and the land will be cleansed for 7 years afterwards, and the materials of war used for fuel for that time, in Israel.

When the nations named in Psalm 83 attack Israel then Israel will wipe them out and regain her Covenant land boundaries and will indeed dwell safely, without walls, and in peace, and the nations of the world will send her children home on camel caravans and in ships, and in planes; and queens and kings will bring them.
That fulfilled prophecy of Psalm 83 will prepare the land for the Ezekiel 38 war. Israel will have her land boundaries of promise back from that time!



The Revelation war at the end of the millennial reign will be an attempt to go upon the breadth of the earth =to heaven, the stretched out third heaven where Mount Zion/Mount Eden is, and where the City of God is.

That will be a repeat attempt of the tower of Babel rebellion when men, inspired by the devils, attempt to ascend =go up- to heaven; but by airships after the millennial reign, instead of by building a tower, next time.
They will "ascend" upon the breadth of the earth =the stretched out heavens, as Genesis tells us they are stretched out from the earth between the divided in two waters of the earth, for the heavens are stretched out from the earth on day 2; and Mount Eden/Mount Zion of the heavenlies -where Paradise and the Tree of Life is, is in the third heaven -as Paul also notes: And that third heaven is where Adam got cast down to the earth from at the fall, and was made earth bound until the Atonement was finished and accepted.

Paradise is where the Thief on the cross went at his death,
to be with the Son of Man in heaven who is come in flesh and who yet is in heaven, and was yet in heaven when He extended Himself into the prepared human being flesh at the incarnation -and is yet in the risen and glorified human being flesh as our everlasting Father of the second human being creation.
The thief did not go
to Sheol below earth, for Christ's death on the cross opened the gates to the City of God above for all souls who die in righteousness -as Psalm 118 also states.


Psa 118:19-
Open to me the gates of righteousness;
I will go through them,
And I will praise the Lord.
20 This is the gate of the Lord,
Through which the righteous shall enter. 21 I will praise You,
For You have answered me,
And have become my salvation/yeshua.

22 The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
23 This was the Lord’s doing;
It is marvelous in our eyes.
24 This is the day the Lord has made;
We will rejoice and be glad in it.


25 Save now, I pray, O Lord;
O Lord, I pray, send now prosperity.
26 Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!
We have blessed you from the house of the Lord.
27 God/EL is Lord/YHWH,
And He has given us light;
Bind the sacrifice with cords to the horns of the altar.
28 You are my God, and I will praise You;
You are my God, I will exalt You.


29 Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for He is good!
For His mercy endures forever.


Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise the LORD:
Jhn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven [to the throne], but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

2Cr 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth, such an one caught up to the third heaven.

2Cr 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.



Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.


So learn that Paradise is in the third heaven, and the final attempt to ascend to heaven at the end of the millennial reign will be when the LORD sends down fire from heaven to destroy those who attempt it, and the Ezekiel 38 war leaves dead bodies lying on the ground in Israel, which take seven months to bury all the bones of, and which makes for fuel for the energy for running the nation of Israel for seven years, using the materials gathered up by the appointed men in Israel, who gather them for fuel.

Gog’s Armies Destroyed

39 “And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh,[a] Meshech, and Tubal; 2 and I will turn you around and lead you on, bringing you up from the far north, and bring you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will knock the bow out of your left hand, and cause the arrows to fall out of your right hand. 4 You shall fall upon the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. 5 You shall fall on the open field; for I have spoken,” says the Lord God. 6 “And I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in security in the coastlands. Then they shall know that I am the Lord. 7 So I will make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel, and I will not let them profane My holy name anymore. Then the nations shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel. 8 Surely it is coming, and it shall be done,” says the Lord God. “This is the day of which I have spoken.
9 “Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears; and they will make fires with them for seven years. 10 They will not take wood from the field nor cut down any from the forests, because they will make fires with the weapons; and they will plunder those who plundered them, and pillage those who pillaged them,” says the Lord God.
The Burial of Gog

11 “It will come to pass in that day that I will give Gog a burial place there in Israel, the valley of those who pass by east of the sea; and it will obstruct travelers, because there they will bury Gog and all his multitude. Therefore they will call it the Valley of Hamon Gog.[b] 12 For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified,” says the Lord God. 14 “They will set apart men regularly employed, with the help of a search party,[c] to pass through the land and bury those bodies remaining on the ground, in order to cleanse it. At the end of seven months they will make a search. 15 The search party will pass through the land; and when anyone sees a man’s bone, he shall set up a marker by it, till the buriers have buried it in the Valley of Hamon Gog. 16 The name of the city will also be Hamonah. Thus they shall cleanse the land.”’
Zechariah 12: The Battle of Armageddon before the millennial reign:

12 And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:
Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

13 It shall come to pass in that day
That a great panic from the Lord will be among them.
Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor,
And raise his hand against his neighbor’s hand;
14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem.
And the wealth of all the surrounding nations
Shall be gathered together:
Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance.

15 Such also shall be the plague
On the horse and the mule,
On the camel and the donkey,
And on all the cattle that will be in those camps.
So shall this plague be.

The Nations Worship the King

16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

20 In that day &#8220;HOLINESS TO THE LORD&#8221; shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord&#8217;s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. <span class="text Zech-14-21" id="en-NKJV-23090">21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts.

Job 38:18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
Rev 20:9 And they went up/ascended on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp/ of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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When the nations named in Psalm 83 attack Israel then Israel will wipe them out and regain her Covenant land boundaries and will indeed dwell safely, without walls, and in peace, and the nations of the world will send her children home on camel caravans and in ships, and in planes; and queens and kings will bring them.
That fulfilled prophecy of Psalm 83 will prepare the land for the Ezekiel 38 war. Israel will have her land boundaries of promise back from that time!
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God Will Remember Zion

Isaiah 49

14 But Zion said, “The Lord has forsaken me,
And my Lord has forgotten me.”
15 “Can a woman forget her nursing child,
And not have compassion on the son of her womb?
Surely they may forget,
Yet I will not forget you.
16 See, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands;
Your walls are continually before Me.
17 Your sons[b] shall make haste;
Your destroyers and those who laid you waste
Shall go away from you.
18 Lift up your eyes, look around and see;
All these gather together and come to you.
As I live,” says the Lord,
“You shall surely clothe yourselves with them all as an ornament,
And bind them on you as a bride does.

19 “For your waste and desolate places,
And the land of your destruction,
Will even now be too small for the inhabitants;
And those who swallowed you up will be far away.
20 The children you will have,
After you have lost the others,
Will say again in your ears,
‘The place is too small for me;
Give me a place where I may dwell.’
21 Then you will say in your heart,
‘Who has begotten these for me,
Since I have lost my children and am desolate,
A captive, and wandering to and fro?
And who has brought these up?
There I was, left alone;
But these, where were they?’”


22 Thus says the Lord God:
“Behold, I will lift My hand in an oath to the nations,
And set up My standard for the peoples;
They shall bring your sons in their arms,
And your daughters shall be carried on their shoulders;
23 Kings shall be your foster fathers,
And their queens your nursing mothers;
They shall bow down to you with their faces to the earth,
And lick up the dust of your feet.
Then you will know that I am the Lord,
For they shall not be ashamed who wait for Me.”
 
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This is exactly what I mean. Isaiah 13...a prophecy we see fulfilled in Daniel 5 when Belshazzar was judged by God and the Medes took the Kingdom that night. Daniel 5:25-31:
25 &#8220;Now this is the inscription that was written out: &#8216;MEN&#274;, MEN&#274;, TEK&#274;L, UPHARSIN.&#8217;
26 This is the interpretation of the message: &#8216;MEN&#274;&#8217;&#8212;God has numbered your kingdom and put an end to it.
27 &#8216;TEK&#274;L&#8217;&#8212;you have been weighed on the scales and found deficient.
28 &#8216;PER&#274;S&#8217;&#8212;your kingdom has been divided and given over to the Medes and Persians.&#8221;
29 Then Belshazzar gave orders, and they clothed Daniel with purple and put a necklace of gold around his neck, and issued a proclamation concerning him that he now had authority as the third ruler in the kingdom.
30 That same night Belshazzar the Chaldean king was slain.
31 So Darius the Mede received the kingdom at about the age of sixty-two.

This is Isaiah 13! The prophecy was fulfilled literally! Though in Daniel 5 it doesn't give detail about how this came about. It is through secular history we learn that Darius took Babylon..and it was the beginning of Babylon's downfall.

The bible does give us more insight though, through Jeremiah 51. Ezra and Nehemiah record the Persian Kings as Judah/Israel remained in Captivity until Cyrus' decree followed by other Persian kings like Ahasuerus and Artaxerses.

It is historical fact that after Darius took Babylon, it continued downward as a significant city in history. We see this as the Persian Empire in history and it's history is under these kings recorded in the scriptures.

Babylon's ultimate destruction comes at the hands of Alexander The Great, it has never been the same since.

God's word is sure...but we must be students of history to understand these things.

Let's just wait and see how it shakes out...because Isaiah 13 in MOST CERTAINLY fulfilled...just read Isaiah 13, Daniel 5, and Jeremiah 51.

Even more...Isaiah tells us loud and clear that the Medes and Persians was God's instrument of judgment against Babylon...so you can't just ignore this history thinking it applies today.
ridiculous...
4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the Lord of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the Lord, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.
15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.
22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

too much here that is still future.

-nations gathered
-weapons destroyed
-called Day of the Lord
-woman in travail
-wrath of God
-no more sinners
-heavenly signs
-wicked of the world dealt with
-shake the earth AND HEAVEN
-no man shall dwell there ever, or even pitch tents there

vs.

one word that u think proves it is fulfilled....MEDES.
and the Medes in Isa13 dont care about money or possessions




so, if u had to guess at which people today
live in the same lands as the Medes did back then,
have an antichrist spirit by denying His deity and work on the cross, or that God even has a Son,
have in the past worn a something that LOOKS like what John describes in Rev13,
have their alliegance to a man (Mohammad),
worship the Beast (Islam and Satan respectively)
and even worship idols in Mecca
and have a wold wide takeover agenda
all under the guise of being a people the serve God
who would it be?

only one guess allowed!



 
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too much here that is still future.

That's right.

In Isaiah 13:1, "Babylon" isn't the ancient city of Babylon, but the present-day city of Babylon (in Iraq), which the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will transform into his world capital during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

In Isaiah 13:3, the "sanctified ones" who "rejoice in [YHWH's] highness" are the obedient people in the church in Revelation 19:7-8, after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. They will be, in Isaiah 13:4-5, the "host of the battle" from "heaven", when they physically descend from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus as he wages war against the armies of the world at his 2nd coming (Revelation 19:14-21). So in Isaiah 13:6,9, the "day of the Lord" is the same as the future, 2nd-coming day of the Lord (1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10).

Isaiah 13:10 refers to the same future, 2nd-coming time as Matthew 24:29-31.

Isaiah 13:11 refers to Jesus' defeat of the world's armies at his 2nd coming (Revelation 19:19-21, Zechariah 14:3-21).

Isaiah 13:16 refers not to what Jesus or the church will do, but to what some unsaved "Medes" (Isaiah 13:17-18) will do to the inhabitants of the city of Babylon at the time of Jesus' 2nd coming. By "Medes" is meant the native inhabitants of that part of the Middle East that in ancient times was called "Media" and is now part of Iraq.

In Isaiah 13:17, the "Medes" aren't the ancient Medes that conquered the ancient city of Babylon (Daniel 5:28,31). For the ancient Medes didn't make the ancient city of Babylon uninhabited (Isaiah 13:19-22) when they defeated it, but instead kept it as a thriving city which continued on for centuries.

In Isaiah 13:19-22, the total and eternal destruction of the city of Babylon has never been fulfilled. For Saddam Hussein rebuilt the city of Babylon (using bricks he inscribed with "built by Saddam Hussein, son of Nebuchadnezzar"). And after his defeat, U.S. forces built a military base in Babylon. And in the future, the Antichrist will transform the city of Babylon into his world capital. Isaiah 13:19-22 won't be fulfilled until this city is destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming.
 
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Saudi Arabia's Tayma=Teman To Ghawar Field=Dedan Will Become Perpetual Burning Pitch

The area shaded in pink is the geographical area of ancient Teman to Dedan, today's major oil- and gas fields in Saudi Arabia. According to Ezekiel 25, G-d will cause this area to be utterly deslated by HIS sword ("sword" usually implies by force of war; it also could be by natural catastophes such as earthquakes; or by Israel whom He uses as a "threshing instrument" with which to thresh the nations)5. Saudi-Arabia's wadis [streams] will be turned into pitch [tar] from the spilling out and burning petroleum, and her land into brimstone, which is sand congealed together from the extreme heat from the burning oil.

The most common constituent of sand, in inland continental settings and non-tropical coastal settings, is silica (silicon dioxide, or SiO2), usually in the form of quartz, which, because of its chemical inertness and considerable hardness, is resistant to weathering.
The most familiar form of glass is the silica-based. Most glass formulations contain about 70–72 % by weight of silicon dioxide (SiO2).
SiO2 (Silicon Dioxide) Formula SiO2 Density 2.32g/ cm3 Melting point 1713 C Evaporation temperature 1800-2200 C.
Therefore: the enormous heat generated by burning oil wells will melt the silica as well as the sulfur and, because there will be steam, the high temperatures plus the sulfur will make sulfuric acid. These sulfur products combining with the molten silica may produce this "brimstone", which actually will resemble "asphalt" by the burning petroleum..
All this area marked in pink will become burning pitch/tar. It will burn night and day with smoke going up forever, the burning not getting quenched.

The map of Saudi Arabia is by MERRIAM-WEBSTER GEOGRAPHY,
and featured by About.com
The super imposed oil- and gas fields are from EXPLORER [SIZE=-1]January 2005[/SIZE]

Ezekiel 25:13 ... sword ... strong's 2719 ... chereb ... from 2717 ... drought; also a cutting instrument (from it's destructive effect), as a knife, sword, or other sharp implement: - axe, dagger, knife, mattock, sword, tool ... 2717 ... a prime root; ro parch (through drought) i.e. (by analogy) to desolate, destroy, kill - decay, (be) desolate, destroy (-er), (be) dry (up), slay, x surely, (lay, lie, make) waste.

God doesn't need a war to wipe out a country ... He has all nature at His disposal ... so to speak ... His sword is the Word ... with His command drought occurs ...

also His sword is a two-edged sword ... it cuts two ways ...

the part in the definition that interests me is desolate, destroy ... names of Satan ...

side note: Teman was the grandson of Esau ...

Jeremiah 49:7,8,13 ... Concerning Edom, thus saith the Lord of hosts; Is wisdom no more in Teman? is counsel perished from the prudent? is their wisdom vanished?
Flee ye, turn back, dwell deep, O inhabitants of Dedan; for I will bring the calamity of Esau upon him, the time that I will visit him.
For I have sworn by myslef, saith the Lord, that Bozrah shall become a desolation, a reproach, a waste, and a curse; and all the cities therof shall be perpetual wastes.

Ezekiel 29:8 ... Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will bring a sword upon thee, and cut off man and beast out of thee.

note: if it's a war nothing is left ... no winner ... all loser ...

Malachi 1:3,4 ... And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but will return, and build the desolate places' thus saith the Lord of hosts. They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the Lord hath indignation forever.

Genesis 36:1,34 ... Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.
the kings of Edom ... And Jobab died, and Husham of the land of Temani reignned in his stead.

Amos 1:12 But I will send a fire upon Teman, which shall devour the places of Bozrah.

fire ... strong's 784 ... primary word ... fire ... literally OR figuratively ... burning, fiery, fire, flaming, hot.

He is a consuming fire ...

Obadiah 8,9 ... Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau? And the mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of esau may be cut off by slaughter.

Jeremiah 25:23 ... Dedan, and Tema, and Buz, and all that are in the utmost corners.

i guess i just can't see where it will be necessarily war ... for me, it points more to the Lord ...

Ezekiel 14:17 ... Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it:

just focused on the sword part ... nothing to do with the rest of the post ... tho there is much there i hope to comment on ... my next comment will most likely be on 'smoke going up forever' ... i'm guessing you are referring to Revelation ... will just say for now ...His fire is a consuming fire ... His sword cuts two ways ... it convicts or blesses ... it burns in the soul for Him or in regret for all eternity ...

ty for an intertesting topic ...
 
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Ezekiel 30:3-5 Wail for the Day is near, he Day of the Lord comes, a Day of reckoning for the nations. A sword will come upon Egypt.....all the Arabs and peoples in the Mid East will fall on that Day.
Zephaniah 2:4-15 At noon day, Gaza will be destroyed....land of the Philistines, I shall lay you in ruins, bereft of inhabitants....Ammon, [Jordan] Moab, Kereth, [Arabia] you Cushites, [Africans] also will be slain by the sword of the Lord....
This is all to happen very soon, all of the holy Land will be cleared and cleansed by the Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, a judgement by fire, clearly told to us in Isaiah 30:26, as a coronal mass ejection sunstrike, that will fulfil all the graphic prophesies about that Day.
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