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The simple answer to your case, is that most prophesies have a dual fulfilment, proved by the plain fact of how the earlier event hasn't totally completed what was prophesied.
Actually, by your preterism, you miss out on knowing the amazing plans that God has for His people at this end time.
No sir. Jesus prophesied Jerusalem's destruction in Matthew 24. Even more, He used judgment language from Isaiah 13:10. When the OT prophet speak judgment they often speak in terms of cosmic disturbance. Research of the terms will verify that.

So this is not double fulfillment this is simply Jerusalem's judgment prophesied by the Lord Jesus.
I don't 'jump past' earlier prophesied events - they occurred, but as Paul says: 1 Cor. 10:11 All these things that happened to the Israelites were symbolic and were recorded for us, upon whom the end of the age has come.
Indeed you did you're saying that soon there will be some war in the Middle East...in fact, this is what you said:
Ezekiel 30:3-5 Wail for the Day is near, he Day of the Lord comes, a Day of reckoning for the nations. A sword will come upon Egypt.....all the Arabs and peoples in the Mid East will fall on that Day.
Zephaniah 2:4-15 At noon day, Gaza will be destroyed....land of the Philistines, I shall lay you in ruins, bereft of inhabitants....Ammon, [Jordan] Moab, Kereth, [Arabia] you Cushites, [Africans] also will be slain by the sword of the Lord....
This is all to happen very soon, all of the holy Land will be cleared and cleansed by the Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, a judgement by fire, clearly told to us in Isaiah 30:26, as a coronal mass ejection sunstrike, that will fulfil all the graphic prophesies about that Day.
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I will say it won't happen very soon. These nation are no where near the significance they had back then. God prophesied Egypt's insignificance and they never has been anything since

Ezekiel 30:5 was the Battle of Carchemish...simply look it up.

Any war is simply what Jesus said would be the situation on earth throughout time in Matthew 24:4-15. Those things are continuous throughout time.
 
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Keras! Get a grip: no one can survive an actual CME strike! Like, you can't be a little bit pregnant.
Oh yes they can. It does not kill people, but wires, sir!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
Solar storm of 1859

Sunspots of September 1, 1859, as sketched by Richard Carrington. A and B mark the initial positions of an intensely bright event, which moved over the course of 5 minutes to C and D before disappearing.

The solar storm of 1859, also known as the 1859 Solar Superstorm,[1] or the Carrington Event,[2] was a powerful geomagnetic solar storm in 1859 during solar cycle 10. A solar flare and/or coronal mass ejection produced a solar storm which hit Earth's magnetosphere and induced the largest known geomagnetic solar storm, which was observed and recorded by Richard C. Carrington.
 
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The fire is alight, nothing will stop it coming to earth 2 Esdras 16:15 [Bible Apocrypha]
The following 116 Bible verses describe the coronal mass ejection that the Lord will use to carry out His prophesied Day of vengeance and wrath against His enemies, the godless peoples and nations that attack the State of Israel.

1/ LIGHT -The initial light flash arrives from the sun within 8 minutes.
Isaiah 30:26a The sun will shine with seven times its normal strength.
Habakkuk 3:3-4 His brightness is like the dawn, His radiance covers the sky.
Psalm 144:6 Send lightning bolts to scatter Your enemies.
Psalm 18:14 He hurled lightning shafts far and wide.
Ezekiel 21:10 My deadly sword is sharpened, it will flash like lightning for the slaughter.

2/ HEAT – Seven times hotter, ambient temperature say, 15c X 7 = could be 120c, 250f
Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace.
Psalm 18:8 Smoke and fire come from the Lord, with glowing coals and searing heat.
Isaiah 64:1-2 When You tear apart the sky, fires blaze and water boils.
Jeremiah 17:8...when the heat comes, trust in the Lord for protection.
Jeremiah 6:29 The fiery bellows of judgement burn fiercely to refine My people.
Isaiah 25:4 You give refuge to the poor and needy, shelter from the tempest and shade from the heat.

3/ DARKNESS – Caused by ash from volcanic eruptions, plus smoke from forest and city fires.
Isaiah 50:3 I can clothe the sky in darkness, cover it with sackcloth.
Amos 5:20 The Day of the Lord is indeed a Day of deep darkness.
Isaiah 13:10 The sun, moon and stars will give no light.
Ezekiel 32:7-8 I will veil the sky with clouds and bring darkness over the land.
Zephaniah 1:15 The Day of the Lord’s anger will be a Day of destruction, of darkness and gloom.
Amos 8:9 On that Day, the sun will darken at noon.
Revelation 6:12...the sun turned black as a funeral pall and the whole moon blood red.
Psalm 18:11 He made thick darkness His covering, dense vapour His canopy.
Jeremiah 4:23 The earth was in chaos and the sky was in darkness.

4/ FIRE – A huge mass of superheated cosmic particles envelopes the earth.
Isaiah 66:15 The Lord is coming in fire like a whirlwind with the flaming fire of His rebuke.
Luke 3:16 He will baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire, the chaff will burn forever.
Ezekiel 20:47 I am about to light a fire, its fiery flame cannot be put out.
1 Corinthians 3:13...for that Day dawns in fire and fire will test every persons worth.
Psalm 21:9 The anger of the Lord will engulf His enemies in a fiery furnace and consume them.
Hebrews 10:27 For the godless, there is only the terrifying expectation of a fierce fire that will consume God’s enemies.
2 Peter 3:10 On that Day the earth will be enveloped in flames and all that is in it will be brought to judgement.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 ..when the Lord Jesus comes forth with His mighty host in blazing fire, he will punish all the godless and apostate people.
Psalm 97:2-5 Cloud enfolds Him, fire goes ahead and consumes His enemies.
Isaiah 4:4b The Lord will cleanse Jerusalem, with His judgement burning like fire.
Isaiah 33:12 The nations will be burned to ashes, like thorn bushes set on fire.
Ezekiel 30:16 I shall set Egypt on fire. Amos 1:1-15 Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan burned.
5/ EARTHQUAKES – The electromagnetic microwave effect will cause volcanoes & earthquakes.
Haggai 2:6 In a little while, I shall shake the sky, the earth and break the power of the godless.
Psalm 144:5 Lord, part the sky and come down, touch the mountains, so they pour forth smoke.
Isaiah 24:18-19 ..the windows of the sky above are opened, the earths foundations shake, it is convulsed and reels wildly.
Amos 8:8-9 On that day the earth will quake like ocean waves.
Revelation 6:12-14 There was a violent earthquake...every mountain and island was moved.
Psalm 18:7 The earth shook and quaked, the mountains trembled because of His anger.
Jeremiah 4:24 The mountains were reeling and the hills rocked to and fro.
Habakkuk 3:6 The Lord shakes the earth, the mountains are flattened.

6/ EARTH MOVED–The earth’s orbit may be speeded up by this event, resulting in a 360 day year, that will make sense out the time periods given to us in Revelation and Daniel.
Isaiah 13:13...and the earth will be moved out of her place.

7/ COSMC PARTICLES – This CME will hit with a great pressure wave. Previous CME’s have pushed satellites into lower orbits, this one will make them crash back to earth. This cannot refer to real stars, as the nearest one is 4¼ light years away and they are of enormous size.
Isaiah 28:2 The Lord will beat down violently upon the earth, as a destroying tempest.
Revelation 6:13 The starry host will fall to the earth, like fruit blown of a tree in a gale.
Isaiah 34:4 The host of the heavens will fall like ripe fruit.
Jeremiah 6:25 Do not go outside, for the sword of the Lord spreads terror all around.

8/ ELECTRICAL EFFECTS – The supercharged particles will cause extreme voltage in both the electric power supply system, telephone wires and pipelines. Transformers and switchgear will be destroyed. Any appliances connected to the grid, even if switched off, will burn out. All telephone and radio communications out of action for a long time. Most vehicles, aircraft and ships will be inoperable.

9/ SKY EFFECTS – The earth magnetosphere and atmosphere are badly affected. This may cause a pole shift and huge storms will encircle the globe.
Isaiah 13:13 I shall make the heavens shudder...on the day of the Lord’s blazing anger.
Isaiah 51:6 The sky will be dispersed like smoke.
2 Peter 3:10 ...the heavens will disappear with a great rushing sound.
Revelation 6:14 The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up.
Isaiah 34:4 The sky will crumble into nothing and will be rolled up like a scroll.
Psalm 83:15 Pursue Your enemies with Your tempest, terrify them with Your stormwinds.
Jeremiah 30:23See what a scorching wind goes out, it rages down upon the heads of the wicked.
Jeremiah 4:11 & 20 A scorching wind will sweep down upon My people, the whole Land is ruined.

10/ A GREAT NOISE – The CME strike will be heard all around the earth.
Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, the great noise reaches the ends of the earth, for He judges the nations and has handed over the wicked for destruction.
Isaiah 29:6 Judgement will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes, loud noise and consuming flames of fire.
Jeremiah 51:54-55 The Lord is ready to destroy the godless nations, the advancing wave booms and roars as it despoils them.

11/ DEATHS WORLDWIDE – Many millions will die, but for those who stay in shelter, it will be survivable, it is only a one day event. More will die from fighting and famine afterward.
Deuteronomy 32:41 When I set My hand to judgement, My sword will devour flesh.
Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will arise and storm with rage, destruction is decreed upon the earth.
Isaiah 66:16 He will judge with fire, many will be slain by Him.
Isaiah 34:5 For My sword is prepared, it descends in judgement on those doomed for death.
Isaiah 51:6 The sky will be dispersed like smoke and the people will die like flies.
Jeremiah 25:33 Those that the Lord kills on that Day will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or buried, they will be as dung on the ground.
Isaiah 63:1-6 The Lord comes from the nations, His garments splashed with blood, His Day of vengeance had come and He tramped on them and spilled out their blood.
Psalm 37:20 Evil people will die, they will be incinerated and go up in smoke.
Isaiah 13:12 Humans will become scarce, more rare that fine gold.
Ezekiel 30:4-5 Egypt will suffer anguish...her slain will fall along with all the Arab lands.
Zephaniah 1:3 & 11 I shall destroy humans and animals, I shall bring the godless to their knees. Dire distress will come to sinful peoples, their blood and guts will spill on the ground.
Jeremiah 9:22 Corpses will lie like dung in the fields with no one to gather them.
Ezekiel 21:3 My sword of judgement will kill both the righteous and wicked alike, from the Negev, Northward.
Jeremiah 11:16 Once you were My people, now with a great noise, you will be burned & consumed.
Isaiah 5:25 His anger is roused against His people and as He strikes them down the mountains shake. Their bodies lie like refuse in the streets.
Ezekiel 32:6 I shall drench the land with blood, the villages will be filled with it.

12/ THE LAND BURNED – The fireball will make forests and wooden houses catch fire, even concrete buildings mostly have tarred roofs, which will burn, as will tar sealed roads.
2 Peter 3:12 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on, that Day will set the sky ablaze and will melt the elements in fervent heat.
Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched and the people are fuel for the fire.
Jeremiah 4:26 The fertile land becomes a wilderness before the fierce anger of the Lord.
Isaiah 42:15 I shall lay waste to all the land and dry up the rivers and lakes.
Ezekiel 15:8 I will make the land a waste because they have broken faith.
Joel 1:11 & 19-20 Despair you farmers for your harvest is lost, the ground is dry and scorched. To You, Lord I cry out for fire has consumed the pastures and trees of the land.
Jeremiah 9:10-12 ......the land is scorched and untrodden, not even birds or beasts remain. Jerusalem and the towns of Judah are ruined and uninhabited. The Land is a dead place, burned and laid waste.
Isaiah 10:18-19 Suddenly, His trees and meadows will be destroyed, what remains will be so few that a child may count them.

13/ CITIES DESERTED – The fires and destruction will drive people out and there will be no power, water or communications, plus no food deliveries, survival must be out in the country.
Isaiah 17:9 On the Day of Retribution, cities will be deserted.
Isaiah 6:11-12 How long, Lord? Until the Land is desolate and cities are deserted, houses vacant.
Jeremiah 4:7 The Destroyer comes, cities will lay waste and empty.
Hosea 8:14 You have forgotten your Maker, I shall send fire to burn your cities.
Micah 5:10-11 On that Day, I will devastate your cities.
Jeremiah 9:21-22 Death has come to our towns, corpses lie like dung in the streets.
Jeremiah 4:26 Your Holy cities are ruined, Jerusalem is burned by fire, all that we treasured has been destroyed.
Isaiah 27:10 The fortified city is left solitary, stripped bare and forsaken like a wilderness.

14/ THE MILITARY DESTROYED – The powerful electromagnetic pulse will disable ships, tanks and aircraft. It will also cause explosive devices to either explode or be neutralized.
Jer. 50:22-23 The noise of battle is heard, see how the hammer of the whole world is broken.
Hosea 2:18 ...I shall break the bow and all weapons of war and sweep them off the earth.
Micah 5:5-11 On that Day, I will destroy your military fortifications.
Zephaniah 1:16 A Day of battle cries against the fortified cities and towns.
Isaiah 30:25b On the Day of massacre, when fortresses fall.
Amos 5:9 Destruction will flash forth onto the mighty, against their strongholds.
Jeremiah 50:27 Put all warriors to the sword, lead them to slaughter, for their time has come.

15/ AN UNEXPECTED EVENT – This sudden and shocking event, is not the Return of Jesus, as when the Anti Christ desecrates the new Temple, Jesus will come exactly 1260 days after that.
2 Peter 3:10 The great and terrible Day of the Lord will come like a thief, unexpectedly.
Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, in an instant, your enemies will be punished with earthquakes, storms and flames of devouring fire.
Isaiah 10:17-19 In 1 Day, the Lord will burn up His enemies, sudden as someone falling into a fit.
Jeremiah 6:26...for in an instant the Despoiler will be upon us.

16/ A ONE DAY EVENT – A CME strikes the earth at a speed of 1 – 5 million miles per hour. It causes terrible effects, but then continues on past, leaving us to recover.
Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for the Day when I accuse the nations and pour out My burning anger upon the whole world.
Ezekiel 30:2-3 Alas for the Day, a day is near, the Day of the Lord is near, a Day of reckoning for the nations.
Isaiah 13:9 The Day of the Lord is coming, a cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger.
Joel 1:15 The Day is near, it comes, a mighty destruction from the Lord.
Isaiah 2:20-21 On the Day the Lord will arise and strike the world with terror.
Zechariah 3:9 In a single Day, I will wipe away the guilt of this Land.
Isaiah 63:4-6 I resolved on a Day of vengeance, I shattered nations in My fury. [it.
Joel 2:11 The Lord thunders as He leads the host, great and terrible is the Day, who can endure
Zephaniah 2:4-5 Land of the Philistines, at midday, I shall crush you and lay you in ruins, bereft of inhabitants.
Joel 2:30-31 On that great and terrible Day of the Lord, the sky and the earth will show blood, fire and smoke.

17/ HIS PEOPLE – Joel 2:32 Then all who call on the Lord’s Name will be saved.
Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine 7 times stronger, on the Day the Lord saves and heals His people
Habakkuk 3:12-13 Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations. You go forth to save Your people.
Joel 3:16 The Lord roars from Zion, the heavens and the earth shudder but He is a refuge for His people and a defence for Israel.
Psalm 68:1-3 God springs into action! His enemies scatter like smoke, as wax melts before a fire, so the godless are destroyed before Him. The righteous are happy and praise God.
Isaiah 43:2 When you pass through rivers, they will not overwhelm you. Walk through fire and flames and not be burned or scorched. I am the Lord, your God and your Deliverer.
1 Peter 1:5 Because you put your faith in God, you are under the protection of His power until the salvation now in readiness is revealed at the end of time.
Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.
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There is no putting the godless and attacking the State of Israel in the same category. Attacking the state of Israel in 2014 is not in the "works of the flesh" nor in Rom 1 or 1 Tim 1.

Do you have some morbid interest in all this hardship and suffering? Do you love the Gospel which is generous good news for sinners? Rom 3 says it is as though the day of judgement has past and is behind for those who believe. Isn't that a better interest? Do you have any doubt that God has the authority and means to judge? He can judge the world easier than we can step on an ant.

Take your interest to the next instinctively necessary place: telling people that God wishes to justify them from their sins by faith in Christ. Like Acts 13's sermon or 2 Cor 5.

btw, there is no surviving a CME. We have been warned. there was one that reached far enough to destroy earth recently, but was in the opposite direction. Solar interference yes, but not an actual CME.
 
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It is literal interpretation at it's worst. Rather than realize the cosmic disturbances are symbolic they will look to such things to prove they are right.

This is not the case though. Take the classic Isaiah 13:10:
10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not flash forth their light; The sun will be dark when it rises And the moon will not shed its light.

This is what Jesus quoted in Matthew 24:29:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Rather than see this as the apocalyptic language of judgment...it is seen literally...something any scientist can tell you would obliterate the earth if a star ever impacted the earth.

Look at the Psalms as they describe God when He is angry and note the poetic language of cosmic disturbance...like Psalm 18

It's not going to happen.
 
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Em and IP, your denial of the truth of the prophetic Word and your confused interpretations can only be explained by; Deut. 29:4, Isaiah 6:9-10, Isaiah 29:9-11, Isaiah 48:6-8, Isaiah 56:10-11, 1 Timothy 1:7.
Only when these events take place will you and all those who have believed false teaching finally understand the truth.
Isaiah 29:23-24....when My people see what I have done for them, then they will praise their Maker .... then the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction.
So that is how it is, how God wants it. Not long to wait now, have patience.
 
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I rest my case on the truth of the prophetic Word. Read it and understand, or deny it and remain in the dark. Jeremiah 6:10
IP says: 'there is no surviving a CME'. Joel 2:32 says: All who call upon the Name of the Lord will be saved.
Em says' it not going to happen'. Isaiah 66:15-16 says:See, the Lord will come in fire...bringing retribution with His furious anger, with flaming fire...many will be killed by Him on that Day.
 
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Em and IP, your denial of the truth of the prophetic Word and your confused interpretations can only be explained by; Deut. 29:4, Isaiah 6:9-10, Isaiah 29:9-11, Isaiah 48:6-8, Isaiah 56:10-11, 1 Timothy 1:7.
Only when these events take place will you and all those who have believed false teaching finally understand the truth.
Isaiah 29:23-24....when My people see what I have done for them, then they will praise their Maker .... then the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction.
So that is how it is, how God wants it. Not long to wait now, have patience.
You call it "denial of truth". I have already showed you how wrong you were in saying that Isaiah 29 was not Nebuchadnezzar. Nothing's confused...it's just rightly divided.

You resorting to passages that don't make your point...but help you think you've made a point...means nothing keras, except you *think* you're right.
 
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Where is Nebuchadnezzar in all of this?

The Great Chapter of Isaiah 29:1-24

What will happen very soon:
Suddenly, in an instant punishment will come from the heavens. [2 Peter 3:10] The Lord will act in His wrath against all those who make war against Jerusalem, all those who surround Israel. With a great noise amid flames of devouring fire, earthquakes and powerful storms, they will disappear like a dream, like a vision of the night – gone when you awake. So it will be with the horde of nations who attack the holy Land. They will crumble into dust and be blown away like chaff. [Psalm 83, Micah 4:11-12, Rev. 6:12-17 This is quite a different event from Armageddon, it is the many prophesied Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a literal day of a Coronal Mass Ejection sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26.]
But, disaster will come to those who live in the Land, there will be mourning and tears when the Lord makes Jerusalem His fire altar. He will bring those people down, the survivors will hide underground, their voices will squeak out of the earth. [Isaiah 31:5, Zechariah 13:8-9]
The Lord’s people – Jews and Christians:
Because My people worship Me with empty words and pay Me lip service, while their hearts are far from Me and their religion is but human doctrines learnt by rote, therefore I shall shock them again and again. The wisdom of their learned people will vanish and all discernment will be lost. Matthew 11:25-26
Woe to those who try to hide their devious plans from the Lord. All those who say: Who can see what we do? Who knows our plans? Do not think your Maker is unaware of your doings, you are placing yourself higher than Him, if you think that. [1 Peter 3:12]
Belief in wrong teaching leads to an inability to understand the truth:
If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused, if you blind yourself, you will stay blinded. Be drunk, but not with strong drink, for the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor. He has closed your eyes to prophetic understanding and muffled your heads; your so called, wise teachers. For you the Prophetic vision of the end times is like a sealed book that you cannot read. Isaiah 6:9-10, Acts 13:41
The Word of the Lord to the descendants of Abraham, all the House of Jacob:
This is no time for you to be distressed, not a time for you to be frightened, for you will praise and worship My Name, [Jesus] when you see what has been done in your midst. [1 Peter 1:5] You will hold sacred your Redeemer and regard your God with awe. THEN the confused will understand and those who refused instruction will believe the truth. Isaiah 32:3-4
The holy Land Regenerated: Ezekiel 36:8
In a very short time Lebanon [and all of the holy Land] will be brought back from ruin to like a garden land and good fertile land will be as common as scrubland is now. [Joel 3:18]
[The Lord will send rain immediately after the terrible fires and earthquakes of the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, as described in Isaiah 30:25]
The veil of misunderstanding will be lifted then: Isaiah 32:4
On that Day the deaf will hear with understanding the Words of scripture and the spiritually blinded will see the truth. The lowly will once again rejoice in the Lord and the poor will exult in the Holy One of Israel. For the ungodly and the arrogant will cease to exist. Those who are quick to find mischief and those who falsely accuse others or lay traps for the unwary; all these will be cut down and perish. Isaiah 66:17, 2 Peter 3:7
The Great Second Exodus of the Israelites back to their heritage:
Isaiah 11:11-13 On that Day, [NOT the Return, but at the next prophesied event.] the Lord will exert His power a second time to recover the remnant of His people from wherever they are scattered around the world. Isaiah 49:12-13, Isaiah 66:20 He will make a sign to the nations and gather those dispersed of the House of Israel, [The ten Northern tribes] He will assemble Judah’s scattered people and the enmity between Israel and Judah will cease. Ezekiel 37:13-28 Ref. REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.
 
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funny you should quote the line from Acts 13 without knowing much of Acts 13's sermon. If you knew the sermon, you might know that none of your future of Israel has anything to do with the official, apostolic sample of the shape, objective, meaning, heritage, destiny of Israel as found in the sermon!

In fact, the 'blindness' line later was Paul telling Israel that they were not picking up on the mission which the new era of Israel gave them. That in turn is the undercurrent of Acts itself, right to the last scene between Paul and "Israel" as he knew it.
 
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Where is Nebuchadnezzar in all of this?

The Great Chapter of Isaiah 29:1-24

What will happen very soon:
Suddenly, in an instant punishment will come from the heavens. [2 Peter 3:10] The Lord will act in His wrath against all those who make war against Jerusalem, all those who surround Israel. With a great noise amid flames of devouring fire, earthquakes and powerful storms, they will disappear like a dream, like a vision of the night – gone when you awake. So it will be with the horde of nations who attack the holy Land. They will crumble into dust and be blown away like chaff. [Psalm 83, Micah 4:11-12, Rev. 6:12-17 This is quite a different event from Armageddon, it is the many prophesied Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a literal day of a Coronal Mass Ejection sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26.]
But, disaster will come to those who live in the Land, there will be mourning and tears when the Lord makes Jerusalem His fire altar. He will bring those people down, the survivors will hide underground, their voices will squeak out of the earth. [Isaiah 31:5, Zechariah 13:8-9]
The Lord’s people – Jews and Christians:
Because My people worship Me with empty words and pay Me lip service, while their hearts are far from Me and their religion is but human doctrines learnt by rote, therefore I shall shock them again and again. The wisdom of their learned people will vanish and all discernment will be lost. Matthew 11:25-26
Woe to those who try to hide their devious plans from the Lord. All those who say: Who can see what we do? Who knows our plans? Do not think your Maker is unaware of your doings, you are placing yourself higher than Him, if you think that. [1 Peter 3:12]
Belief in wrong teaching leads to an inability to understand the truth:
If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused, if you blind yourself, you will stay blinded. Be drunk, but not with strong drink, for the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor. He has closed your eyes to prophetic understanding and muffled your heads; your so called, wise teachers. For you the Prophetic vision of the end times is like a sealed book that you cannot read. Isaiah 6:9-10, Acts 13:41
The Word of the Lord to the descendants of Abraham, all the House of Jacob:
This is no time for you to be distressed, not a time for you to be frightened, for you will praise and worship My Name, [Jesus] when you see what has been done in your midst. [1 Peter 1:5] You will hold sacred your Redeemer and regard your God with awe. THEN the confused will understand and those who refused instruction will believe the truth. Isaiah 32:3-4
The holy Land Regenerated: Ezekiel 36:8
In a very short time Lebanon [and all of the holy Land] will be brought back from ruin to like a garden land and good fertile land will be as common as scrubland is now. [Joel 3:18]
[The Lord will send rain immediately after the terrible fires and earthquakes of the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, as described in Isaiah 30:25]
The veil of misunderstanding will be lifted then: Isaiah 32:4
On that Day the deaf will hear with understanding the Words of scripture and the spiritually blinded will see the truth. The lowly will once again rejoice in the Lord and the poor will exult in the Holy One of Israel. For the ungodly and the arrogant will cease to exist. Those who are quick to find mischief and those who falsely accuse others or lay traps for the unwary; all these will be cut down and perish. Isaiah 66:17, 2 Peter 3:7
The Great Second Exodus of the Israelites back to their heritage:
Isaiah 11:11-13 On that Day, [NOT the Return, but at the next prophesied event.] the Lord will exert His power a second time to recover the remnant of His people from wherever they are scattered around the world. Isaiah 49:12-13, Isaiah 66:20 He will make a sign to the nations and gather those dispersed of the House of Israel, [The ten Northern tribes] He will assemble Judah’s scattered people and the enmity between Israel and Judah will cease. Ezekiel 37:13-28 Ref. REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.
Once again ignoring the historical...so go ahead and do that. Act like Jeremiah (who is right there when Isaiah 29 comes to pass)...doesn't exist.

So let's watch what isn't "very soon" as you think keras.
 
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EM, just point out to me, please, ANY verse in Isaiah 29 that definitively pertains to the Babylonian conquest of Judah and was completely fulfilled then.
IP, I re-read Acts 13. Perhaps you could explain what the "disaster" is that Paul refers to in Acts 13:40-41.
 
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funny you should quote the line from Acts 13 without knowing much of Acts 13's sermon. If you knew the sermon, you might know that none of your future of Israel has anything to do with the official, apostolic sample of the shape, objective, meaning, heritage, destiny of Israel as found in the sermon!

Note that none of Paul's teachings in Acts 13, just as no other scriptures, contradict the idea of Jesus reigning in a still-future, physical, Davidic kingdom of God on the earth, with both Jewish and Gentile believers.

Presently, the kingdom of God is in heaven (2 Timothy 4:18, Hebrews 12:22-24), and is on the earth spiritually within Christians (Romans 14:17, Luke 17:21). In the future, the kingdom will come fully upon the earth as it is in heaven (Matthew 6:10). It will be physically (Luke 22:30, Matthew 19:28) on the earth (Revelation 5:10), first during the future millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:3-21) and then on the new earth (Revelation 21:1-8).

Jesus' kingdom is Israel (John 1:49, John 12:13-15, John 19:19, Luke 22:30). That's why at his 2nd coming, he will sit on the earthly throne of David (Luke 1:32-33, Isaiah 9:7) and restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21). Jesus is, in his humanity, the son of David (Matthew 1:1, Matthew 21:15-16, Romans 1:3), of the house of David (Luke 1:69). So at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will restore the tabernacle, the house, of David (Isaiah 16:5, Amos 9:11), to its royal glory (2 Samuel 5:12), which it had lost (2 Kings 17:21a). And Jesus will fulfill the prophecy and prayer of 2 Samuel 7:16-29. And he will bring salvation to all the unbelieving elect Jews of the house of David. For they (along with all other unbelieving elect Jews) will come into faith in him when they see him at his 2nd coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Zechariah 13:1,6, Romans 11:26-31). And so they will all become part of the church at that time, for there are now no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6).

After Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3, Zechariah 14:3-5) will occur the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Zechariah 14:8-21), during which, Gentile nations will come to seek the returned Jesus ruling the whole earth (Zechariah 8:22, Zechariah 14:9, Psalms 72:8-11) on the restored throne of David (Isaiah 9:7) in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:8-11,16-19). And the bodily resurrected church will reign on the earth with the returned Jesus during the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). For the church is Israel (Romans 11:1,17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10).
 
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why do you think I would mention it if it didn't contradict that? Where in Acts, where in the NT, is the totally clear plain language statement that there will be? There is not. There are vestiges of OT quotes and your version of Lk 21 and Rom 11's times of the Gentiles which are not sound. The way you use the OT is not shown in the NT. It is a fabrication of the last centuries, namely Scofield.

You have no sense or feeling for what Paul's pulse and thrill is. None. You are an automaton with your piles of quotes.

And If you start a sentence with "Note that..." I'd like you to buy a computer for me as this one will be puked on. It is so patronizing and condescending. I don't need your points restated! Do I need to say that again? I need your reasons. You completely missed the excitement, crescendo, heart of Acts 13, because you are a heartless reader of the Bible, which dessicates it. You have scattered it all into soundbytes to bring up for your entries here, but they don't have the feel of Gal 3-4, Rom 9-11, Rom 4-5, Eph 2-3, heb 8-10, 2 Cor 3-6

Acts 13 sets us Acts 15s resolution, which in cludes a quote about David's tent which tells us how the apostles read the OT. Not your NT skipping tripe! It then sets up the rest of Acts.

Can't you see the difference between actually soaking in a passage and context instead of flitting all over the place with "plugs" called Bible verses that will keep your system from "leaking" all over?.
 
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EM, just point out to me, please, ANY verse in Isaiah 29 that definitively pertains to the Babylonian conquest of Judah and was completely fulfilled then.
IP, I re-read Acts 13. Perhaps you could explain what the "disaster" is that Paul refers to in Acts 13:40-41.
Just as I told you earlier keras. Read Isaiah 29 Then Read Jeremiah 27 and kind of pay attention to verses 1-7. After that read Jeremiah 39...he destroyed Jerusalem just as Isaiah 29 says!

Jeremiah 39-49 Nebucahdnezzar storms through the entire region. Lastly read Daniel 2:36-38 if you have any doubts that God judged the world by the Babylonians. Daniel clearly tells you God gave all the nations to Nebuchadnezzar.

That fulfilled Isaiah 29 which God promised judgment of Jerusalem. You can't just jump past Nebuchadnezzer destroying the city and jump to today.

The only way around it is to ignore it.

Isaiah's prophecy is about 75-100 years before Jeremiah...and it cannot be Sennacharib because God destroyed his army for Hezekiah.
 
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