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The Four Angels bound in the River Euphrates

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Revelation 9:14. "Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates."


Generally Revelation doesn't introduce anything completely new, it's there to Reveal the mysteries of the rest of The Bible. Everything let out of the Abyss in Chapter 9 does have how they got there explained somewhere else in Scripture.

These 4 Angels though as a Mystery however, I'm not aware of any verses that explains how or why these 4 "presumably fallen" Angels got bound here.

Are there any theories about them I'm not aware of?
 
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I would suggest that you study Satan's rebellion against the Lord presented in scripture and also the significance of the Middle Eastern Euphrates River

This River will form a major portion of the battle line at Armageddon

Both Jude and Revelation give information about the abyss

I would have to speculate further about the 4 and the 200 million who are all fallen angels

I think that the 200 million may have been the ones who corrupted the pre-deluvian humans

Also we are told that there are principal fallen angels who were invloved with the human kingdoms of the Middle East like the "Prince" of persia [Daniel 10]

The 4 may have been ruling over the human king positions of Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Syrio/Babylonia

I think they were ... and these will be released upon the earth to cause massive human death during the coming tribulation
 
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Deut 32:[8] When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.

Now this particular verse is mistranslated in most translations including the KJ and NIV. I use the RSV bible 99% of the time. It is by far the best translation ever done. The vast majority of translations have a Doctrinal Bias embedded in the translation not so for the RSV. The reason most versions translate as sons of Israel goes back to Constantine and the banning of the Book of Enoch. The Sons of God are Angels

In Enoch there are 200 Fallen Angels that take Human Wives. God locks the leader of these Angels in the pit to be let out at the time of the First resurrection. That Angel is Azazel he is the King of the Pit he is the beast in the Pit. The children of the Fallen Angels are almost all killed in the flood and are in fact the reason for the flood. Their spirits are the demons that wander the Earth most of which were cast into the pit by Jesus and the Saints in the first 100 years of Christianity when the Spirit was strong in men.

God then divided the Earth into 201 areas He set one of the fallen Angels as Prince over each area leaving Israel for himself. He denied each Angel the ability to lead their people out of their region lets call the continents. Only his people his nation where aloud to spread over the whole Earth.
 
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The War in heaven hasn't happened yet, that's only addressed in end Times Prophecy.

The Book of Enoch isn't inspired, but is interesting. Azezel is NOT one of them place din the Abyss, the leader of those Angels is Samayaza, he has a uniqe fate burried under the Desert. I still haven't seen anyhting in Enoch about Angels bound in the Euphrates.
 
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The War in heaven hasn't happened yet, that's only addressed in end Times Prophecy.
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I believe you are speaking about this

Rv:12:7: And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8: And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Jesus and Peter would disagree with you. Satan has fallen from heaven and been cast to Earth.

Lk:10:17: And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the demons are subject unto us through thy name.18: And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

This happens after the seventy return from the first battle with Satan and the demons.

As I always say don't base a understanding on just one verse. Peter confirms Satan is on earth

1Pt:5:8: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Now as for Enoch

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Azezel is NOT one of them place din the Abyss, the leader of those Angels is Samayaza, he has a uniqe fate burried under the Desert.
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You are getting caught in Translation differences

1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, 2 and said to him: Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come 3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape 4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world. And again the Lord said to Raphael: Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening 5 in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may6,7 not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the 8 Watchers have disclosed and havetaught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted

Azazel is the only Fallen Angel cast into the Pit who is let lose to be cast into the lake of fire. Just as the Beast is let out of the pit and cast into the lake of fire.

The others are each assigned a nation to be prince over as we are told in Duet 32:8 and further eluded to in Daniel. In Duet we are clearly told that their boundaries are set, meaning they are not allowed to go beyond what God has ordained. In Rev 9 we see that God removes these boundaries.

Satan did well to get the book of Enoch banned. When you read the book of Enoch the book of Revelation becomes so much clearer. Jesus and the Saints quote and refer to the book of Enoch over 30 times in the NT sometimes even by name.

However you must be careful because the book was banned upon pain of death in 325AD we do not have a continuous line of translation back to pre 325AD. We do have some scraps of the original from the dead sea scrolls. What always amazed me is the scraps that survived directly deal with and name Azazel. The most important part of the book.
 
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And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
 
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The 4 angels that are bound in Trumpet 6 are the 4 Horsemen/ aka the 1st 4 seals/ the same as the 4 "craftsmen"/ horses of Zechariah 1.
Zechariah 1 Parallel Chapters

Revelation is cyclical. The "stars that fall" in Seal 6 are the same as the "4 angels bound" and are the next 4 horsemen of the next cycle. In bowl 6, these are called "frogs" of Satan, the beast, and the false prophet combined with the voice of Christ, who says to watch = 4 angels (1 of which is the Christ figure -which may or may not be Christ.)

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Re 1st post OP "Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates."

I cannot post that I have a direct revelation to this, but I just read
this today in my Bible read.

I wondered to myself, are they not evil angels, part of the fallen that
followed Ha Satan into rebellion?

HE, the Father would not bind His Servants / Angels, those that love Him and
obey Him.

I am open to all thoughts, as I am not the best End Times person.

Day by Day is enough of a challenge for me.
 
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Jesus can speak in past tense of things that haven't happened yet. He's form Outside time.

You quote from Peter proves my point, he's not bound anywhere yet. Revelation 12 clearly placed the Wa rin heaven AFTER the Woman (Israel) fleeing to her hideing plac ein the Wilderness, whihc is after the Abomination of Desolation.
 
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Daniel will state that each nation has a prince, each has an angel as their counterpart.
Each angel holds back one of four nations that will attack Israel from that direction, leaving another three to attack from the opposite direction, meeting at Armageddon.
 
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Revelation 9:14. "Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates."


Generally Revelation doesn't introduce anything completely new, it's there to Reveal the mysteries of the rest of The Bible. Everything let out of the Abyss in Chapter 9 does have how they got there explained somewhere else in Scripture.

These 4 Angels though as a Mystery however, I'm not aware of any verses that explains how or why these 4 "presumably fallen" Angels got bound here.

Are there any theories about them I'm not aware of?
The first thing to notice is that the angels are BOUND...so they are of Satan!
 
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Jesus can speak in past tense of things that haven't happened yet. He's form Outside time.

You quote from Peter proves my point, he's not bound anywhere yet. Revelation 12 clearly placed the Wa rin heaven AFTER the Woman (Israel) fleeing to her hideing plac ein the Wilderness, whihc is after the Abomination of Desolation.
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I never said Satan was bound he is clearly not bound till after the trumpets. Only when Jesus returns is Satan bound.

You are obviously free to ignore Jesus saying Satan has fallen from heaven.

rev 12 is very clearly all history at the Time of John. it is a recap of what has happened to that time.

Now some claim that the Woman is Judea in Jesus time but that is not possible A woman never represents a country. The Woman has 12 stars representing the 12 tribes. The Nation of Judea was only three of the tribes. Others claim it is Mary, also not possible a woman never represents a individual.

A woman in prophetic scripture ALWAYS REPRESENTS the religion of the people and is represented by the city that is the centre of worship for that religion. I will start a thread for this subject.

This woman is the True Church of God not Judea.

IF WE DO NOT TRUST JESUS..... WHO IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN OPEN THE SEALS TO SEE THE EVENTS THEREIN THEN WE WILL BE LOST...........

There is thousands of interpretations made by men who have not earned the right to know and understand. Only Jesus can tells us when and how these events happened or will happen. We must trust Jesus to explain this to us and not come up with our own explanations or trust in the explanations of others.

Jesus tells us in very plain Language that Satan fell from heaven when the 70 were battling the demons.

Either you Trust and Believe Jesus or you do not. The choice is yours.
 
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Revelation 9:14. "Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates."


Generally Revelation doesn't introduce anything completely new, it's there to Reveal the mysteries of the rest of The Bible. Everything let out of the Abyss in Chapter 9 does have how they got there explained somewhere else in Scripture.

These 4 Angels though as a Mystery however, I'm not aware of any verses that explains how or why these 4 "presumably fallen" Angels got bound here.

Are there any theories about them I'm not aware of?
The sixth trumpet prophecy describes the 200 million horses under the hood that were unleashed on D-Day against Hitler and the third of the earth aligned with him. The horses were prepared, or manufactured, by 4 Allied nations (Australia, Great Britain, Canada and the US), represented by four angels.
 
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Just another interpretation, ie, Rev.9:15, is a part of the direct, supernatural inflictions of preliminary judgments from heaven this moment, ie, IIThess.2:11, 12 expoiunded - six horrible delusions; they are followed by the 7th, the final judgment itself.

Where the Truth of God is positively rejected, IIThess.2:10b, the deadliness of the delusion must strike with increasing intensity, eg, Rev.9:15.

Just ol' old Jack's anther opinion

btw not that I have the Truth in any way shape or form, but when one does 'bump' into it, it will appear as fallacious to insane.
 
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"rev 12 is very clearly all history at the Time of John. it is a recap of what has happened to that time."

And in that recap his fall certianly didn't happen before Yeshua's Birth or Ascension.

There was no Death before Adam sinned, The Serpents first Sin was temping Eve. This "Satan falling for Hevan long ago" myth is depepdnent on Gap theory logic, which is Heretical.
 
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"rev 12 is very clearly all history at the Time of John. it is a recap of what has happened to that time."

And in that recap his fall certianly didn't happen before Yeshua's Birth or Ascension.

There was no Death before Adam sinned, The Serpents first Sin was temping Eve. This "Satan falling for Hevan long ago" myth is depepdnent on Gap theory logic, which is Heretical.

Rev.12 beginning with the Incarnation, chapter 12 shows us the efforts of Satan to destroy Christ while He was on earth then,, ie, little before and during the time of John.

Failing in this, to destroy the Church as such and, failing also in this, to battle (not "war") against many of the saints then till today however not as Satan (in the abyss at the Cross), but as the dragon. Ie, agencies of Satan.

Just ol' old Jack 'battling' the bulge
 
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Hi Mithrand

Scripture does not say Satan fell at Eden. perhaps you say that or believe that but Scripture does not says that.

Jesus however does say he watched Satan fall to Earth as the Seventy were battling Satan's demons.

Either you believe Jesus or you do not it really is that simple. Who do you believe?
 
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Hi Mithrand

Scripture does not say Satan fell at Eden. perhaps you say that or believe that but Scripture does not says that.

Jesus however does say he watched Satan fall to Earth as the Seventy were battling Satan's demons.

Either you believe Jesus or you do not it really is that simple. Who do you believe?

Just another unpopular view; Satan cast down from heaven before Adam noting first of all. his name, Satan, Job1:6, & (IIPet.2:4; Jude 6).

Just ol' old Jack watching those 'cast' shadows of half truths
 
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Hi Mithrand

Scripture does not say Satan fell at Eden. perhaps you say that or believe that but Scripture does not says that.

Jesus however does say he watched Satan fall to Earth as the Seventy were battling Satan's demons.

Either you believe Jesus or you do not it really is that simple. Who do you believe?
Satan's Fall is yet Future. Adam's Sin was the beginning of Sin.
 
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I'll copy here the dissertation I once wrote on this.

It's amazing to me how many UnBiblical ideas are casually believed even by many Fundamentalist Christians simply because Society has conditioned us to believe it.

The idea of a War in Heaven sometime before Adam's fall is a Gap Theory connected false Doctrine mainly popularized by Secular Western fiction.

When I say it's a Pagan idea it's because various Pagan mythologies have myths of various wars between the gods (Sometimes newer gods overthrowing older ones) or of a god being cast out. Greek mythology as the Titanarchy, the Gigantarchy, Zeus overthrowing Ophion, the brief usurpation of Typhon, and the casting out of Hephestos. Egyptian mythology has Amon's war with Apep and Set overthrowing Osiris to latter be overthrown by Horus. Norse mythology has the war of the Vanir and the Aseir. And so on.

The Bible only ever discuses the Fall of Satan is Prophetic books, Isaiah 14:12, Ezekiel 28:13, and Revelation 12. Only one isolated verse appears to place it in the past, Luke 18:10 "And I beheld Satan as lighting fell from Heaven". But God often uses past tense language in reference to future events, and Yeshua is God The Son made flesh, he came from Outside time, he's seen all of History already play out.

Job demonstrates that Satan still has free access to Heaven, and he's still serving that function in the New testament, hence why he's called the Accuser. The only difference now is that now believers have an Advocate in Yeshua. 1 John 2:1

The big problem with this false view to me is that it conflicts with the important fact that Adam's sin is the origin of Sin and Death. Roman 5:12, 1 Corinthians 15:21. Genesis 3 is the origin of Sin, it's not just the first Sin Adam or Eve committed, I believe it's the Serpent's first open act of rebellion against God as well. We don't need a Prequel Trilogy to explain how The Serpent became a sinner.

The Fallen Angels did not all fall at once. The first group to fall are the eons form Genesis 6, who are now imprisoned in the Abyss. Then after the Flood more began to fall. I suspect there may be some un-fallen now who will fall before the end.

Satan is also still the "Archon (Prince or Ruler) of the World" (John 12:31, 14:30, 16:11) as well as the "God of this World" (2 Corinthians 4:4). Some think the John verses mean he ceases serving as that at the Crucifixion, but the Corinthians verse shows he still is, and Ephesians also shows his servants still rule the World behind the scenes. Yeshua did purchase the Archonship with his Death and Resurrection, but he doesn't actually take it until the Millennium.

Isaiah 14 is a continuation of 13, it's still the same Prophecy. It affiliates Satan's final doom with the finale Doom of Babylon, which is yet future, (Revelation 17 and 18). But the exact timing I feel requires Revelation 12 to figure out.

Revelation 12 begins as a summery of all History, the Woman being Israel, the War in Heaven begins not only after The Man Child's birth (3 B.C.) but after the ascension (30 A.D.) and after the Woman/Israel has fled to her hiding place in the Wilderness (Petra/Edom, Isaiah 63), which as we know from Matthew 24 is triggered by the Abomination of Desolation. When it says he caused a Third of the stars to fall from Heaven, I believe that's referring specifically the Angels who fell in Genesis 6 who are now in Tartaros.

In other words it's the Middle of the Tribulation. Daniel 11 jumps from the Hellenistic age to the end times in verse 35. Verses 36 till the end of the chapter, I believe outline The Little Horn's activities during the 1st half of The Tribulation, ending with setting the stage for his counterfeit Death and Resurrection. So when the first verse of Chapter 12 says '"And at that time shall Michael stand up" I believe that corresponds directly to Revelation 12:7.
 
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