The Four Angels bound in the River Euphrates

[shturt678]

IIPet.2:4, "For if God did not spare angels when sinning but, casting them with chains of blackness into Tartarus, delievered them as being kept unto judgment; and, etc."

The "if" of reality leads the readers to say: "God certainly did!" "Angels sinned"; Jude 6: "angels, those who did not keep the principality belonging to themselves, but left their own proper habitation."

I know it's unBiblical; however these are the angels taht fell before Adam's fall. What their sin was neither Peter nor Jude state, however would like to conjecture: They were unBiblical.

God "did not spare" sinning angels although they were angels but, "consigning them to Tartarus (hell) with chains of darkness, delivered them as being kept for judgment" - "has kept them for judgment of (the) great day in eternal priison under blackness," Jude 6.

btw Satan cast into hell at the Cross by Michael, Rev.12:7, etc. (Rev.20:2, etc.)wayyyy after IIPet.2:4, waaayyyyy. You get the idea.

Just ol' old way out Jack

 

[canisee]

Huh?

Please explain?

Satan cast into hell at the "Cross by Michael"

 

[shturt678]

Huh?

Please explain?

Satan cast into hell at the "Cross by Michael"

Don't give too much weight to this, ie, an old outdated Lutheran view that even the moderns reject; however I embrace:

Rev.12:7, etc, "...battle in heaven: Michael and his angels to battle with the dragon." My renditon.

From me, ie, mostly from a summarization of works from Mr. Chemnitz (1573) to Mr. Loy (latter 20th century). Here the effect and result of the Savior's Incarnation and his Enthronement are portrayed symbolically, ie, same time the double section of vs.7-9; 10-12 leads over to vs.13-17, the dragon's persecution of the woman after the birth, etc., of her child. a song of Triumph.

Rev.20:2, just sheds more light on the former.

Been putting this forward for almost 3 decades and 99% must reject hence understand, ie, not a popular view, as an understatement.

Just ol' old unpopular Jack

 

[interpreter]

Just another interpretation, ie, Rev.9:15, is a part of the direct, supernatural inflictions of preliminary judgments from heaven this moment, ie, IIThess.2:11, 12 expoiunded - six horrible delusions; they are followed by the 7th, the final judgment itself.

Where the Truth of God is positively rejected, IIThess.2:10b, the deadliness of the delusion must strike with increasing intensity, eg, Rev.9:15.

Just ol' old Jack's anther opinion

btw not that I have the Truth in any way shape or form, but when one does 'bump' into it, it will appear as fallacious to insane.

The beaches of Normandy are pointed to by the starguide of chapter 1, which forms 21 vectors that point to all of the good things foretold.

 

[shturt678]

The beaches of Normandy are pointed to by the starguide of chapter 1, which forms 21 vectors that point to all of the good things foretold.

Don't have to be that gentle with me, use to it. Appreciate you, and your words always.

Just ol' old appreciative Jack

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Revelation 9:14. "Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates."


Generally Revelation doesn't introduce anything completely new, it's there to Reveal the mysteries of the rest of The Bible. Everything let out of the Abyss in Chapter 9 does have how they got there explained somewhere else in Scripture.

These 4 Angels though as a Mystery however, I'm not aware of any verses that explains how or why these 4 "presumably fallen" Angels got bound here.

Are there any theories about them I'm not aware of?

Daniel 10:21, in Hebrew, shows the "binding" of the kings [who are powers set over the nations, ruling from the heavens] to the Written Scripture of Truth, which is written in heaven for the angels to read.
Enoch also read them and is with the angels and is [I believe], the glorified, raptured man who appeared to Daniel, who had to have Michael come help him bind those Princes to the written Scripture.

They are not fallen angels, but four of the shepherds/princes set over the nations.

They are not "in" the river, but bounded by the Word of God to not cross over to invade Israel until the appointed time. The Euphrates is one of Israel's promised land boundaries, and when the Psalm 83 war is fulfilled, Israel will have her land back and the Euphrates is the eastern boundary.

The princes of Persia over all its empire at the time of Daniel are "bound" to keep the Word written in the Scripture of Truth in heaven about the times and appointments written there.
The Medes are named as well as the Persians in Enoch's dream visions as the same "kings of the east" in John's Revelation.

Michael and the angel who answered Daniel's prayer bound/tied that prince -and those with him- to obey the Scripture of Truth; and then Cyrus, the prince of Persia below, let Israel go.

The angel who answered Daniel's prayer in Daniel 10:20 says;
Dan 10:20
Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Javan [not modern Greece, but part of what is modern Turkey] shall come.

Daniel 10: Verse 21 agrees with Enoch's visions, it says in its original language; "I will show you that which is written/noted/inscribed in the Scripture of Truth, and one/echad binds fast with me [in these]; Michael, your Prince".