So many fibs in the Dispensational Pre-Trib Rapture View
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Was watching a video exposing Pre-trib. They summed it up very nice in this little expose.
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Top 10 Pre-trib Fibs
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Fib #1
Jesus comes BEFORE the tribulation.
Scriptures exposes this lie easily.
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Matthew 24:29
Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun shall be darkened and the moon
shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heaven shall be shaken.
Let us get another witness; to establish truth.
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Mark 13:24
But in those days, AFTER that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light.
Clearly Jesus comes AFTER the tribulation.
So this pre-trib jargon of Jesus coming before the tribulation is just a ruse of man to deceive the gullible.
This is the falling away.
Please note that I only realized this was taken from a video upon finishing the response, I wrote it addressing you specifically, yet I cannot be sure if you wrote it or simply quoted it. Nevertheless, it is something I do wish to address.
This is just blind fundamentalism on your part, belief in pre/post trib does not affect ones salvation. This is not proof, you are simply assuming the rapture and second coming are one in the same and using this passage as "support", when in reality it doesn't prove exclusively whether it is pre- or post-.
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FIB#2
The Rapture is with a Secret coming.
O, it IS, is it?
Revelation 1:17
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and EVERY eye shall SEE him, and they which also pierced him: and all
kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Amen.
Secret huh?
Yes, everyone shall see His second Advent, this doesn't disprove if a Rapture will take place beforehand.
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Revelation 11:12
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to
heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
See that? After the tribulation comes the resurrection / rapture.
At the seventh / Last trumpet!
Misappropriation all the way, as this is simply the two prophets being called up by God, this is not evidence whatsoever for the resurrection/rapture of the elect.
Don't give me that faked up Revelation 4:1 spiritualized "Come up hither" as a pre-trib rapture, when the Bible
clearly show the real rapture, "Come up hither" POST-TRIB!
Pre-tribbers, you have been lied to all this time!
Again, you clearly do not know what that portion of scripture is signifying, yet you are passing off this information as the definitive, conclusive truth (which it is not).
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Thats not all, no, thats not all.
Here is yet another big FIB.
FIB#3
Jesus comes as a thief to the believers.
The Bible says the exact opposite yet again, ho hum.
1 Thessalonians 5:4
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake YOU as a thief.
Did you see that?
Do you believe it?
You need to, for it is scripture.
A warning to be prepared for when He
does come, plain and simple. Once again misappropriation, as you are trying to pass off evidence that isn't evidence against pre-trib.
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FIB#4
The falling away is the rapture.
Falling is the action of being RAISED up in Christ don't you know.
Right, and I have some swamp land to sell you.
Pre-trib indoctrination is all part and parcel of the falling away.
Good indication you don't know how to use scripture properly, as you are condemning those who simply have a different interpretation on eschatology, which does not require any compromise or falling away, aside from simply being what YOU do not believe in. For your information, the falling away signifies those who will fall away from the
Faith, I.e. away from the
truth of Christ, to
other doctrines and/or religions, compromising lifestyles, general spiritual prostitution.
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FIB#5
The Pre-Tribulationalist believes that the seven year "tribulation" is the WRATH of God.
They can't seem to learn that Wrath of God is at the last day in the seven Vials of WRATH!
Let us see what scriptures has to say. Why looky here.
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Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth
and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great WRATH, because he
knoweth he hath but a short time.
Some extra proof for a witness, easy....
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Revelation 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues;
for in them is filled up the WRATH of God.
See that? The Wrath of God is AFTER the tribulation.
Can't seem to understand the difference between Satan's Wrath and God's Wrath.
Satan's wrath comes FIRST, then God's wrath at the LAST DAY. Namely the last HOUR!
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Yet, another scripture to debunk the fake Pre-trib lies.
Look at this.
Revelation 15:7,8
And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God,
who liveth for ever and ever.
And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power;
and NO MAN was able to ENTER INTO the temple, TILL the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
Clearly post-Trib
See, this is a big problem. To someone so vehemently convinced in a certain theological idea, there can be no sense of subjectivity and his disposition begins to color literally everything he reads. Everything automatically becomes evidence for what he believes, this is another example of you presenting "evidence" that isn't evidence. This passage simply tells us for the duration of the vials no man can enter into the temple, this is not evidence debunking pre-trib rapture whatsoever.
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Revelation 16:1
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials
of the wrath of God upon the earth.
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It does not stop here, they keep fibbing! Look at this shameful one!
FIB#6
The tribulation is a period of seven years.
Is that scriptural and true? NO!..proof...watch this.
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Daniel 7:25
How long?
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the SAINTS of the
most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until
A TIME and TIMES and the DIVIDING of TIME.
42 months = seven years to the Pre-tribbers.
All these fibs are catching up and overtaking the gullible.
other scriptures for proof? easy.. Watch this.
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Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the
elect's sake those days SHALL be SHORTENED!
See how scripture backs up scripture?
Another one, look at this confirmation.
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Revelation 11:2,3
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the GENTILES:
and the holy city shall they tread under foot FORTY and TWO months.
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophecy a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED
and THREESCORE DAYS, clothed in sackcloth.
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The Bible is clear that the time frame is 42 months, 3 1/2 years, NOT seven years.
But there is more.
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Revelation 12:6
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they shall feed her
there a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED and THREESCORE DAYS.
Revelation 12:14
And to the women were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness,
into her place, where she is nourished for a TIME, and TIMES, and HALF a TIME,
from the face of the serpent.
Revelation 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given
him to continue FORTY and TWO months!
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See how bad the fibs are from the Pre-trib rapturist?
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Here comes yet another desperate fib. Look at this one.
At this point it is clear you are just looking for excuses to call "pre-tribbers" liars and heretics, you're just pitting yourself against them. There are post tribulation proponents who advocate both a 3.5 year and 7 year period. The duration of the tribulation is not relevant to whether pre-trib is true or not.
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FIB#7
The Church is not mentioned after Revelation 4, proving a Pre-trib Rapture.
O, really! Let us go to the scriptures daily to find out to see if these things are so, just like the Bereans.
O,O!Look at these scriptures that expose yet another fib.
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Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the SAINTS, and to overcome THEM: and
power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
My, my, the scriptures say differently, don't they?
More scripture for to establish a witness.Why looky here; in the book of Revelation AFTER Revelation Chapter 4!
Yes, because there will be no souls saved throughout the tribulation period, despite the fact that God has planned to use two prophets and 144,000 sealed believers to proclaim the gospel throughout this time. And why would God have to arrange this if His Church is on Earth?
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Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the SAINTS: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the CHURCHES. I am the root and the
offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
The Book of Revelation was written TO the CHURCHES!!!
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O NO! There are MORE fibs! Look at this fiasco!
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FIB#8
Jesus can come at any moment.
Wow! The brazenness of these Pre-tribbers is eye popping!
Let us always go to the scriptures to prove things.
So....
Why looky here!
Matthew 24:6
And ye shall hear of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass,
BUT THE END IS NOT YET!
Wow, the end is not yet, but for some reason the end is going to be how YOU say it is? -->the extent of this "evidence"
Another witness from scripture..
Mark 13:7
And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must
needs be; but the END SHALL NOT BE YET!
Yet another scripture of many more. Watch this.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceave you by any means: for THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, except there
come a falling away FIRST, AND the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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Here is the biggest lie of them all.
FIB#9
It is the Christians that get removed from the earth.
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Hack, cough, spitoowie!
Shall we learn a lesson here? Always choose the word of God over that of man!
So, here we go straight to the Holy Scriptures yet again.
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Well, that did not take long; look at this!
Proverbs 10:30
The righteous shall NEVER be removed: but the wicked shall NOT inherit the earth.
See that? also, .... Does Jesus get his prayers answered? Really?
I know his prayers get answered.
Fundamentalist tactic, quote scripture out of context.
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John 17:15
I pray NOT that thou shouldest take then OUT of the world, BUT that thou shouldest KEEP them from the evil.
There's the tactic again, you probably can't even begin to understand let alone explain the meaning of this passage.
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FIB#10
Christians won't suffer any tribulation.
Matthew 13:21
Yet he hath not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when TRIBULATION or persecution ariseth
because of the word, by and by he is offended.
This verse says to the contrary.
John 16:33
Fundi tactic yet again, tribulation is a given in any one believer's life. You wrongly apply this passage, as the tribulation that is in question is the wrath of God,
not being persecuting, losing family/friends, or losing your job due to the cause of Christ.
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye SHALL
have tribulation: But be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Lots of witnesses of this point in Scripture.
Look at this puppy!
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Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we
MUST through MUCH tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
You really love your fundi tactic I see, much tribulation in this context =/= wrath of god spoken of in revelation. Read your bible harder and take those blinders off.
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Pre-trib has not one verse to back up the faked up claim of a Pre-Tribulational rapture,
seeing that EVERY scripture on the subject is CLEARLY POST TRIB.
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All of your evidence was either misappropriated, taken out of context, or based on the assumption that pre-trib is false because "you say so". You actually just wasted a whole lot of time doing nothing but scrounging for self affirmation, which is a clear indication that you are biased, as if the way with which you have spoken and handled scripture wasn't pointing to that fact enough.
Let us promote the truth in scriptures filled with love and understanding, and do it in an intelligent manner... and not cling to flagrant, blind, arrogant, biased, baseless interpretations. This is not Biblical at all, it's just a load of garbage in its entirety.