Answering questions on Evolution

[Psudopod]

Absolutely! I agree with you 100%!

The point I'm making is simply that faith comes from hearing the Word of God, not from studying the galaxies.

I'm not saying the stars wouldn't put a burning desire in one's heart that there is something intelligent behind all of this; but for the specifics, one must go to (and allow) the Word of God to point his faith in the right direction.

But we’re only human right? We can put our faith in the wrong things. What I’m trying to say is that if we have God’s very creation at our fingertips, and we have faith in something that goes against it, what is more likely to be wrong? If the creation and the bible don’t line up, which is more likely to be mistaken, given that man can write a book, but can’t create a planet? It just seems a little off to me to force the creation to fit the book, rather than looking at the book as saying mostly things that cannot be said with the creation.

 

[MoonLancer]

well...

The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge.

 

[AV1611VET]

well...

Yup --- that's right.

 

[MoonLancer]

every astronomer knows what that knowledge is.

 

[Loudmouth]

Let's not just put this on the atheists' shoulders. How would any scientist know he is studying God's handiwork?

Before he peers into that telescope, he has to approach the telescope with the knowledge that he is about to peruse God's creation, does he not?

Pretty much. Their belief in God is independent of their scientific work. It's not as if they look at the evidence and conclude "God". They have to go in with the belief already established.

 

[BananaSlug]

So, 19 pages and only 2-3 serious questions on evolution? Are creationists actually afraid to learn about evolution because they think they might start to accept it? Are semantic games all that is left of the creationist anti-evo toolkit?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are creationists actually afraid to learn about evolution because they think they might start to accept it?

Either that, or Paul warned us to leave it alone.

 

[MoonLancer]

So paul was afraid of being wrong too?

 

[hangback]

Either that, or Paul warned us to leave it alone.

First of all, what did Paul know about evolution? is Gods creationism so fragile that to even to let creationists near evolution would mean disaster for a creationist?
I personally think it's just the movers and shakers of creationism protecting their investments by telling their fools not to have anything to do with evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

First of all, what did Paul know about evolution?

Nothing --- he didn't need to; he was writing for Someone Who is omniscient.

is Gods creationism so fragile that to even to let creationists near evolution would mean disaster for a creationist?

Let's call it what the Bible calls it: We would get "spoiled".

I personally think it's just the movers and shakers of creationism protecting their investments by telling their fools not to have anything to do with evolution.

And you underestimate the power of the devil, and how subtil he is.

 

[Freodin]

And you underestimate the power of the devil, and how subtil he is.

Isn´t that a leetle beet arrogant, to attribute everything that disagrees with your personal theology to the devil, while only you, your church, and your bible version are extempt?

 

[TheReasoner]

Nothing --- he didn't need to; he was writing for Someone Who is omniscient.Let's call it what the Bible calls it: We would get "spoiled".And you underestimate the power of the devil, and how subtil he is.

hehe, and you're NOT deceived? You know, I wonder sometimes how the capitalistic creationist americans are always the only ones who are right by God, the only ones who are not fooled by the devil while everyone else is...

Boy AV, I could show you some dreadful evil evil things people with those exact convictions have done precisely because of those convictions. So it's kind of ironic to me when you say you've got everything perfectly right, and especially when you bring the devil into it to defend your own position. Dude, that's a dangerous path to walk, actually assuming the devil is fooling everyone else... Very dangerous indeed. Also very VERY foolish. Not callin you a fool mind you. Just telling you that if I interpreted your position correctly you should probably reconsider that particular part of it. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled may have been to convince people that he doesn't exist, but the second greatest in that case would be to convince people everyone else are fooled by him but they themselves.

 

[BasinBrat]

I seriously had to stop reading the thread halfway though. There didn't seem to be any questions about evolution, and AVET's worship of the KJV was downright creepy.

I love the KJV. But it was written by man, and it certainly was not purified by those men. They had their own political agenda, and James himself was no saint.
The KJV was translated and transcribed by poets. The language is utterly beautiful. If they were inspired directly by God, then I would have even more trouble being a literalist - such a poetic God would surely speak in metaphor.

 

[Meshach]

I seriously had to stop reading the thread halfway though. There didn't seem to be any questions about evolution, and AVET's worship of the KJV was downright creepy.

I love the KJV. But it was written by man, and it certainly was not purified by those men. They had their own political agenda, and James himself was no saint.
The KJV was translated and transcribed by poets. The language is utterly beautiful. If they were inspired directly by God, then I would have even more trouble being a literalist - such a poetic God would surely speak in metaphor.

You seem to know God and His Word so well maybe you can fill us Christians in on the parts of the Bible that are inspired directly by God so we can rip the rest up and not waste our time reading it.

 

[Split Rock]

You seem to know God and His Word so well maybe you can fill us Christians in on the parts of the Bible that are inspired directly by God so we can rip the rest up and not waste our time reading it.

1. BasinBrat is a Christian.
2. She did not claim some parts were inspired by God and others were not.
3. Not all Christians worship The Bible like you guys do.

 

[hangback]

Either that, or Paul warned us to leave it alone.

We would get "spoiled".And you underestimate the power of the devil, and how subtil he is.

You know something AV1611VET I can understand completely where Paul was coming from, he knew way back then what kind of people would believe the creationist rubbish, he also knew they would never be able to decide for themselves,
so stopping them even reading about another way of thinking would stop them believing in the rubbish the creationists are peddling.
The present day leaders who make their money from creationism are sending out warnings everyday because they know that a creationist lost is money out of their pocket, myself I would keep you all locked up in my church over the weekend and only let you out weekdays to go to work.

 

[AV1611VET]

The present day leaders who make their money from creationism are sending out warnings everyday because they know that a creationist lost is money out of their pocket, myself I would keep you all locked up in my church over the weekend and only let you out weekdays to go to work.

Would we go thorough a Board of Inquisition before being placed under house arrest, Protestant?

 

[hangback]

Would we go thorough a Board of Inquisition before being placed under house arrest, Protestant?

Of course you wouldn't that's just silly, but you can understand a guy who is selling a story like creationism not wanting to let go of someone who actually believes his rubbish, you don't want them to stop believing and I don't think you're making any money out of them, so you can understand how they would feel, you don't catch fish like that every day, unless you live in the bible belt, then you could get one with every cast, but that's over preached as it is, there's a church on every corner and not every one making money.

 

[BananaSlug]

I see this was pretty much a failed thread, much as I thought it would be. As much as creationists "claim" to love science, they don't really care about it. They do not care about learning because if they learn evolution is true, then in their mind that could eventually mean the whole Bible is suspect. They have a very childish "all or nothing" view of the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

I see this was pretty much a failed thread, much as I thought it would be. As much as creationists "claim" to love science, they don't really care about it. They do not care about learning because if they learn evolution is true, then in their mind that could eventually mean the whole Bible is suspect. They have a very childish "all or nothing" view of the Bible.

I don't go to church and sing:

Thou are worthy, Thou art worthy,
Thou art worthy, O Lord.
To receive glory, glory and honor,
Glory and honor and power.
For Thou hast created,
Hast all things created,
For Thou hast created all things.
And for Thy pleasure they are created.
For Thou art worthy, O Lord.

Then come home and talk like and evolutionist.