Answering questions on Evolution

[AV1611VET]

Yup --- you must know some good theologians Split Rock.

Utter nonsense. A T.E. is different from an atheist in that a T.E. believes in God and that Jesus of Nazarath was/is the Christ (ie the savior).

Ewww --- rookie error.

"The Christ" means "the Anointed One".

"Jesus" means "the Savior".

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

That's a heck of a price to pay for cognitive dissonance.

Quit begging the question AV, and tell us exactly what price they're paying.

 

[VirOptimus]

In other words, his theology goes to the back of the bus when science gets aboard, right?

We'll, consider some of us the Rosa Parks of the Science Express.

Good theology is about the spirital realm and accept the physical reality. Your stand is meaningless as science is not at all like belief and all good scientists and theologians know this and are very careful to keep the issues seperate as mixing them leeds to nonsense results.

 

[AV1611VET]

Good theology is about the spirital realm and accept the physical reality. Your stand is meaningless as science is not at all like belief and all good scientists and theologians know this and are very careful to keep the issues seperate as mixing them leeds to nonsense results.

Can you give me an example, VirOptimus, where choosing science over theology will lead science to making the wrong conclusion?

(Just one, please.)

 

[VirOptimus]

Can you give me an example, VirOptimus, where choosing science over theology will lead science to making the wrong conclusion?

(Just one, please.)

There is never a choice as the two disciplines are about different things.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is never a choice as the two disciplines are about different things.

And of the two, which one belongs at the back of the Science Express Lines?

 

[Cabal]

And of the two, which one belongs at the back of the Science Express Lines?

What exactly are you trying to prove with this kind of questioning?

Science isn't exactly going to be at the front of the Theology Express Line - whatever that means.

 

[AV1611VET]

What exactly are you trying to prove with this kind of questioning?

Science isn't exactly going to be at the front of the Theology Express Line - whatever that means.

Who do you think is driving the bus?

(That's my trump card --- )

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes, we all mutate/adapt/evolve
as each of us was created to fortunately change genes continuously... hopefully to PRAISE God.
That said,
No ameoba has evolved into a dinosaur.
No earthworm has evolved into an eagle.

No one but you are claiming that they did.

No ape has evolved into a human, either.

Humans are apes.

 

[Loudmouth]

Solomon says otherwise:

This would mean that some apes walk upright.

 

[Split Rock]

Yup --- you must know some good theologians Split Rock.Ewww --- rookie error.

"The Christ" means "the Anointed One".

"Jesus" means "the Savior".

Pathetic, AVET. Really pathetic. The only one making "rookie errors" around here is YOU. The Christ means "annoited one," but this is the Messiah prophesied about in the Tanakh. In other words, The Savior. More sophistry from you. Are you sure you were not a Pharasee in a past life?

 

[USincognito]

Ah what a shame. AV has hijacked yet another thread and the YECs appear to have abandoned it. There was some good discussion earlier, reminded me of the days B.A.V. Oh well....

Which American politician said, “If English was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for Texas”? at least I think it was a politician.

If I were to hazard a guess I'd say Bush. Possibly Quayle or Palin though they are not from Texas. *googles*

Ah... Well, google says what google says.

It's "credited" to Ma Ferguson though the quote is purely anecdotal.

Sorry, this is not MY German... it´s God´s German!

Yeah. I can't wait to see him claim that Silent Night is better in the original English!

 

[VirOptimus]

Who do you think is driving the bus?

(That's my trump card --- )

Thats not an analogy that works, and the existence/nonexistence of god is irrelevent to what I have written.

 

[AV1611VET]

There was some good discussion earlier, reminded me of the days B.A.V. Oh well....

I remember when I first signed on here in June 2006, I went to General Apologetics, and the first thing I saw was a discussion about something on Lake Sudoku or something.

And I chimed in by saying God embedded age into His creation; and was told to leave.

I still remember the night rmwilliamsll and I got into one doosey of an argument: 7.

 

[Psudopod]

Science is the study of God's creation, so any theology that disagrees with science has to be bad theology, straight up. I can't think of any better indicator that you're on the wrong track than contradicting God's own handiwork.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science is the study of God's creation...

Scientists would disagree with you on this; and where does the Bible come in here --- anywhere?

 

[Psudopod]

Scientists would disagree with you on this; and where does the Bible come in here --- anywhere?

Athiest ones would, maybe. But it wouldn't matter in the context of the science, as they can both study the earth and come to the same scientific conclustions, it's just that the the theists will know that whatever the physical processes, God's mind and hand were ultimately behind it.

A theist might use the bible to try an understand what he sees in the creation, or it might keep it seperate from his work and use it to understand his relationship with God, and how to live his life.

 

[AV1611VET]

Athiest ones would, maybe.

Let's not just put this on the atheists' shoulders. How would any scientist know he is studying God's handiwork?

Before he peers into that telescope, he has to approach the telescope with the knowledge that he is about to peruse God's creation, does he not?

But it wouldn't matter in the context of the science, as they can both study the earth and come to the same scientific conclustions, it's just that the the theists will know that whatever the physical processes, God's mind and hand were ultimately behind it.

How?

 

[Psudopod]

Let's not just put this on the atheists' shoulders. How would any scientist know he is studying God's handiwork?

Before he peers into that telescope, he has to approach the telescope with the knowledge that he is about to peruse God's creation, does he not?

Okay, so when I said know, I meant believe, but that's what it's like to have strong faith, right? You know, deep in you're heart, that God exists, even if you can't demonstrate it.

How?

I don't know how, I've never had religious conviction. But plenty of people do, so they must come to that conclution somehow!

 

[AV1611VET]

Okay, so when I said know, I meant believe, but that's what it's like to have strong faith, right? You know, deep in you're heart, that God exists, even if you can't demonstrate it.

Absolutely! I agree with you 100%!

The point I'm making is simply that faith comes from hearing the Word of God, not from studying the galaxies.

I'm not saying the stars wouldn't put a burning desire in one's heart that there is something intelligent behind all of this; but for the specifics, one must go to (and allow) the Word of God to point his faith in the right direction.