Did Jesus drink alcohol?

[warriorforJesus]

Give me one evidence in the Scriptures where Jesus drank wine.

 

[BereanTodd]

Give me one evidence in the Scriptures where Jesus drank wine.

Well you have:

1. Him turning water to wine at the wedding
2. Him observing the Jewish feasts, many of which include wine.
3. The "Lord's Supper" was merely the third cup of the Passover mean - the third cup of wine. Jesus said He would drink that same wine again in heaven.
4. His enemies called Him a drunkard, a charge that makes little sense of one who never touched the stuff ...

 

[GenemZ]

I know Jesus drank wine, but was it fermented wine? The Gospels talk about old wine and new wine. Could old wine be fermented wine and new wine unfermented wine?

They did not have grape juice back then. Grapes begin to ferment even when on the vine.

Wine is not harmful. Its a health tonic if not abused.

I just have a hard time believing that Jesus would drink something that has such harmful effects on the body--even in moderation.

Salt not in moderation is bad for you. But, not getting enough could be fatal.

The Bible says getting DRUNK is a sin. Some legalists ran with that and condemned all drinking. It would be like condemning sex in marriage because fornication is a sin.
The Bible does not say drinking wine as a sin. Wine is good for the heart. Red wine is considered to be the most beneficial form.

New wine is fresh from the process. Old wine is vintage wines which mellow out in flavor with age. They stopped ferementing But, new wine is very healthy for you if taste is not an issue. New wine has a stronger flavor, and would continue to ferment some more if allowed to age.

What are your thoughts?

Go to the wine section of your food store. Look for kosher wines. "Mogan David." etc..... If its Passover time? You will see the kind of wine that resembles (according to Law) what Jesus drank at the Last Supper. Its real wine. To think Jesus made grape juice for a Jewish wedding? Jews would instantly know you are a Gentile to believe it.

The Bible condemns getting drunk. The Bible approves of drinking wine. God created it to be a health tonic.

Numbers 28:6-8 (New International Version)
"This is the regular burnt offering instituted at Mount Sinai as a pleasing aroma, an offering made to the LORD by fire. The accompanying drink offering is to be a quarter of a hin of fermented drink with each lamb. Pour out the drink offering to the LORD at the sanctuary. Prepare the second lamb at twilight, along with the same kind of grain offering and drink offering that you prepare in the morning. This is an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD."
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If fermented wine was sinful? God would never had accepted it as a part of a sacrifice that he found to be pleasing. Yogurt is fermented milk. Its a healthy food. Wine is fermented grape juice. It, too, is healthy for you. Too much is no good. Just like too much honey is no good for you.

Proverbs 25:16 niv
"If you find honey, eat just enough— too much of it, and you will vomit."
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Proverbs 24:13 niv
"Eat honey, my son, for it is good; honey from the comb is sweet to your taste."

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Drinking too much wine was not good. It never says wine is no good.

Titus 2:3 niv
Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good."
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It does not say not to drink wine.

New wine was fermented.....

Job 32:19 niv
"inside I am like bottled-up wine, like new wineskins ready to burst."
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Grapes begin to ferment while even on the vine. Unless they squeezed the grapes and drank it immediately, they had fermented drink on their hands in a short time. Pasteurization and refrigeration makes grape juice a possibility today. Back then, it would ferment. Just like bread would rise in a short time from fermentation.

Proverbs 23:20 niv
"Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat."
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It does not say not to join those who drink wine. But, not to join those who drink too much. We know meat is not bad for us. But, it says too much, is.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Wine-and-Your-Health&id=20499

Grace and peace, GeneZ
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[Alchemist]

What's the drinking age in Australia?

Hey repentant,

The drinking age in Australia is 18; same here in New Zealand .

Peace,
Nick

 

[lmnop9876]

What's the drinking age in Australia?

18 (although a lot of people [many Christians included] drink before then )

 

[AJB4]

I believe that Jesus drank wine. There's also another thing that people have missed - what about their long desert trips? Assuming they took supper every week, how on earth would they keep the wine unfermented in that heat? No fresh grape-vines in the desert...

I come from a church where generally alcoholism, even in the strictest moderation, is frowned upon, and even perhaps considered a sin. I used to think, being as young as I am, that they were right and that it really was a sin, but I no longer believe that it is, studying the evidence to Jesus drinking in moderation. I had two glasses of wine at the end of 2005 and I enjoyed it. I wouldn't buy the stuff probably ever, but on special occasions I'd have a glass with a free conscience. Also, on my Mum's birthday earlier this month, I had a sip of her rum and coke. I liked that too. It was yummmmm

 

[GenemZ]

Give me one evidence in the Scriptures where Jesus drank wine.

The Pharisees called him an alcoholic because they always saw him drinking wine! The kind of people Jesus hang around with did not drink grape juice. Trust me! They did not.

Matthew 11:19 (New International Version)
"The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."
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Those were Jesus's words!


He was not denying drinking wine!

He was dealing with being accused of being a drunkard!


For he said he came eating and drinking.

Wine is good for digestion witha meal! The LORD invented wine. He ought to know!

See how legalism destroys a good thing? See how legalism makes one alientated from the normal? Legalism is a trick of the Devil. It makes one feel that he is being pleasing to God, and at the same time he gives God a bad name to normal people.

Romans 2:24 niv
"As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."
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Jesus warned against the leaven of the religious types.

Matthew 16:6 kjv
Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."
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That was legalism Jesus warned against!

Certain Christian denominations are very legalistic. They are mocked by Hollywood, and are used to give Christianity a bad name. These will tell you never to drink wine. Why? Because getting drunk is a sin. And, certain people ONLY were forbidden to drink wine for sacrificial reasons. But? They quote those verses and apply it to all wine drinking. They LOVE to control others!

Jesus drank wine. He laughed! He enjoyed life to the fullest!

He was also a man aquainted with sorrows.

One of the reasons was because of legalistic Jews who hounded him with their legalistic demands and desire to control.

In Christ, GeneZ

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[dave90]

who wouldnt want to drink wine, its excellent

 

[Robert_Barnes]

Old wine and new wine had nothing to do with wine. He was reffering to the Old Law, and the New Law...

And yes, Jesus drank wine which is alcohol. Alcohol is not bad, it is only bad when we are a glutton gor it, and get drunk.

Actually, the reference to "new wine" in Acts 2 is most certainly talking about non-metaphorical grape juice. How could the onlookers have accused the people of being drunk?

"new wine" -- when speaking about the drink -- refers to recently fermented wine, which is much higher in sugar content than "old wine" which has had longer to age and consume the sugars.

Think of the difference between Manischewitz (new wine) and a 1993 Cabernet Sauvignon (old wine). ('93 was a VERY good year!)

 

[GenemZ]

Actually, the reference to "new wine" in Acts 2 is most certainly talking about non-metaphorical grape juice. How could the onlookers have accused the people of being drunk?

"new wine" -- when speaking about the drink -- refers to recently fermented wine, which is much higher in sugar content than "old wine" which has had longer to age and consume the sugars.

Think of the difference between Manischewitz (new wine) and a 1993 Cabernet Sauvignon (old wine). ('93 was a VERY good year!)

I hear Welch's is working on a good one, too.

Grace and peace, GeneZ
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[afrancis777]

Doesn't it make sense that if the bread at he last suppoer (as a symbol of Christ's body) was to be unleaved (representing sinlessness) doesn't it make sense that the wine should be also unfermented to complete the symbolism?

 

[Carey]

I know Jesus drank wine, but was it fermented wine? The Gospels talk about old wine and new wine. Could old wine be fermented wine and new wine unfermented wine? I just have a hard time believing that Jesus would drink something that has such harmful effects on the body--even in moderation.

What are your thoughts?

Here is your answer

1 Corinthians 11 :
21for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets (drunk)

This shows the wine had been fermented. And Jesus drank it.


23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." 25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me

Wine in moderation is actually physically beneficial.

but I know Jesus never drank it to excess.

Hope this helps.

God bless

 

[Jipsah]

Doesn't it make sense that if the bread at he last suppoer (as a symbol of Christ's body) was to be unleaved (representing sinlessness) doesn't it make sense that the wine should be also unfermented to complete the symbolism?

No.

 

[SallyNow]

Doesn't it make sense that if the bread at he last suppoer (as a symbol of Christ's body) was to be unleaved (representing sinlessness) doesn't it make sense that the wine should be also unfermented to complete the symbolism?

Unfermented wine is juice, not wine.

If it was fresh-squeezed grapejuice that was meant, it would have said that. Instead it says wine.

Unleavened bread and wine (that is, fermented grape juice) were common in Biblical times. It would make sense that the two were used together.

 

[Pennelope]

Doesn't it make sense that if the bread at he last suppoer (as a symbol of Christ's body) was to be unleaved (representing sinlessness) doesn't it make sense that the wine should be also unfermented to complete the symbolism?

If it were true, I guess you could interpret it that way. Unfortunately, it's not.

Grape juice as we know it was unknown until Welch (wouldn't it be fun if he were a teetotaler?) invented a way to treat it so it wouldn't ferment. Before the Industrial Revolution, no one would know what you were referring to if you used the term. There was no such thing.

 

[Brennin]

Short answer... yes.

Grape juice starts to break down immediately. There is no way that grape juice could have been kept in those days.

Besides, Jesus turned 180 gallons of water into the finest wine at Cana. We know it wasn't grape juice they were drinking because the guests had "drunk freely" and didn't know the older from the newer vintage.

Mormons apparently believe one of Jesus' miracles was building a refrigerator, since they claim that the wine he imbibed was really grape juice!

 

[GenemZ]

Give me one evidence in the Scriptures where Jesus drank wine.

If he drank grape juice (which no one did back then) he would not have been accused of being a drunkard.

Luke 7:34 (New International Version)
"The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners."
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Tax collectors did not drink grape juice! Sinners did not drink grape juice! Jesus drank what they drank.

Besides... they did not drink grape juice back then. They may have eaten fresh grapes, but with no refrigeration, the juice always fermented quickly. That is why Jesus spoke of putting new wine in old wine skins. The fermentation expanded the skin the new wine was in. One did not try to further expand and old wineskin that had been already stretched. If he did? It would burst from being stretched too much from the fermentation gases.

Matthew 9:17 (New International Version)
"Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved."
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Jesus said the wineskins would *burst.* Not, simply break. The fermentation produced gases which expanded the skins. Jesus never condemned wine. The Bible only condemns getting drunk on wine. Wine in moderation is a health food which the Lord created for our benefit.

Grace and peace, GeneZ
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[Epiphoskei]

Doesn't it make sense that if the bread at he last suppoer (as a symbol of Christ's body) was to be unleaved (representing sinlessness) doesn't it make sense that the wine should be also unfermented to complete the symbolism?

Unleavened didn't represent sinlessness, is represented the haste with which the Israelites left Egypt during the passover. The paralelism doesn't work either. Unleavened bread doesn't leven itself with age. Wine just ferments and you cannot prevent that. Grapes were harvested in the summer months... there would be nothing fresh in april when passover happened. Any "fruit of the vine" would have been fermenting for eight months minimum.

 

[GenemZ]

Unleavened didn't represent sinlessness, is represented the haste with which the Israelites left Egypt during the passover. The paralelism doesn't work either. Unleavened bread doesn't leven itself with age. Wine just ferments and you cannot prevent that. Grapes were harvested in the summer months... there would be nothing fresh in april when passover happened. Any "fruit of the vine" would have been fermenting for eight months minimum.

Jesus spoke of the "leaven of the Pharisees." He warned to avoid it. The meaning of the word is also used to mean with hypocrisy of evil.

Luke 12:1 (King James Version)
"In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy."
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And, Paul had a word or two on this issue...

1 Corinthians 5:6 (King James Version)
"Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?"
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Grace and peace, GeneZ
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[Epiphoskei]

Yet that was merely a symbol for one situation, and was not the symbol in the passover meal as it had always been celebrated. When Jesus assigned new meanings to the bread and wine, I it is a stretch to say that he assigned the unlevenedness to mean sinlessness.