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What was God doing without the created universe?

What was God doing before the creation of the universe?
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Physically, according to relativity, time is not linear. For an outside observer, time appears to stop for objects approaching the event horizon, while an infalling observer experiences time normally until they reach the singularity.

According to quantum mechanics, pairs of virtual particles can form near the event horizon, with one falling into the black hole and the other escaping. Over time, this process causes the black hole to lose mass and eventually evaporate. Some strange events/situations are happening inside the black hole where time, as we know it, does not exist.

It is fun to theorize such things, but ultimately mankind has to accept that it is unknowable. It is simply outside the scope of what we can physically investigate. And short of physical evidence, we are left with only imagining logically-consistent theories. As an example of this, String Theory is an idea that many have worked on. Adherents are convinced that that its underlying tenets are correct and have spent a lifetime working out all the consequences. Others feel it has all been a bit waste of time and effort.

I feel trying to deduce the nature and properties of God is somewhat akin to trying to prove whether String Theory is real.

Still fun though.

KT
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'Time is running out': Hamas displays photo of Matan Zangauker at hostage release

Matan Zangauker is not listed to be released in the first phase of the ceasefire-hostage deal.​

Hamas placed a picture of hostage Matan Zangauker and his mother on the stage, where three hostages about to be released were forced to speak on Saturday, with the caption “Time is running out.”

Zangauker’s image appeared beside an hourglass, an symbol used in many of Hamas’s psychological terror videos of the hostages.

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Hamas’ mask slips: Evil exposed with Israeli hostage returns

I know what it is to live under the grip of radical Islam. I know the cruelty, deception, manipulation, and way words are twisted to justify evil. I lived it. I was part of it.

But I also know this: Evil cannot hide forever.

The world watched as Hamas paraded Israeli hostages through the streets, using them like bargaining chips, pretending to be merciful as they reluctantly released a handful of innocent souls — people they never had the right to steal in the first place.

And as I watched this unfold, I saw the face of radical Islam — the face I know all too well. It is the face of deception covered in a fake mask of peace. It is the serpent pretending to be merciful while still dripping with the blood of the innocent.

But the mask always slips. Always.

Terrorists cannot hide their true colors

The handover of Israeli hostages was supposed to be a controlled process, a display of order. Instead, it was chaos.

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Amen. Well written...
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Afghan national who injured dozens in Munich attack likely had 'Islamist motivation': prosecutor

The Afghan asylum seeker who drove a car into a union demonstration in Munich, Germany, reportedly said the words “Allahu akbar" and prayed, according to a prosecutor who believes the attack may have been driven by an "Islamist" motive.

Farhad Noori, 24, admitted that he deliberately plowed into a crowd of people gathered in the city center on Thursday and injured 36 people, according to Reuters.

The attack occurred hours before U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy arrived in the city, but police do not see a connection between the incident and the visit from the two political leaders.

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Sometimes I wonder

What you said is basically true. It is hard though if the convert's conversion could result in loss of their entire family (in my case extended) when you're in the midst of families themselves, though. :sigh: Anyway, thankfully, the second parish doesn't make me feel as bad as the first parish but it's been months since I've gone to any fellowship things there because of what had been going on with my dad. I don't have the experience with Evangelical churches to be able to relate to what you're saying, but I believe you. It's a pity that I can't attend such a church without having to listen to false doctrine, though.

I can't help but ask, why would converts be perceived as ruining the Church?!
Many converts have fall outs with their families when they convert. It’s a pretty common occurrence.

The Catholics that are trying to change the teachings of the Church are the ones that think converts are ruining the Church because the majority of converts are not interested in any of that and come across as more traditional or conservative than they’d like. They consider that to be a loss.
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Deutsche Welle (DW) - A Bias Media

A bit like that, yes. Though the mission is less to spread direct propaganda and disrupt other countries and more as a general outreach program for german culture and viewpoints. DW claims to have journalistic independence, but I don't know how far that is true. Probably less than the public broadcasters, which get their funding directly from the public. Part of why the messaging appears far left to you is that european societies in general lean more towards the left.
Or from the European perspective, American society leans towards the right. Just a matter of perspective.
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I Know a Name by Elevation Worship and Brandon Lake

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@Joseph G @Hazelelponi @mourningdove~


[Verse 1: Chris Brown]
I know a Name that can silence the roaring waves
I know a Name that can empty out a grave
I know a Name, it's the only Name that saves
And it's worthy of all praise

[Chorus: Chris Brown]
I call You, Jesus
I call You, I call You Healer
Risen and reigning in power
Something comes out of the grave
Every time I call You, Jesus
I call You, I call You Savior
Worthy of glory forever
Something comes out of the grave
Every time I call Your Name

[Verse 2: Brandon Lake]
I have a King with dominion over death
He holds the keys in His holy nail-scarred hands
He is the heel, yeah-eah
That has crushed the serpent's head
Our resurrected Great I Am
Come on

[Chorus: Chris Brown, Brandon Lake & Chris Brown]
I call You, Jesus
I call You, I call You Healer
Risen and reigning in power
Something comes out of the grave
Every time I call You, Jesus
I call You, I call You Savior
Worthy of glory forever
Something comes out of the grave
Every time I call Your Name


[Refrain: Chris Brown, Chris Brown & Brandon Lake, Brandon Lake]
Chains break, dry bones wake
Every time I call Your Name
The gates of Hell shake
Every time I call Your Name
Chains break, dry bones wake
Every time I call Your Name
The gates of Hell shake
Every time I call Your Name
Oh
Every time I call Your Name
Yeah, yeah-yeah
Mmm

[Bridge: Brandon Lake, Chris Brown & Brandon Lake]
Where, oh death, is now your sting?
And where, oh grave, your victory?
Come on now
Where, oh death, is now your sting?
And where, oh grave, your victory?
Yeah
Where, oh death, is now your sting?
And where, oh grave, your victory?
Yeah

[Refrain: Brandon Lake, Chris Brown & Brandon Lake]
Dead things come alive
Dead things come alive
Dead things come alive in the Name of Jesus
Dead things come alive (Dead things)
Dead things come alive
Dead things come alive in the Name of Jesus
Dead things come alive
Dead things come alive (Dead things come alive)
Dead things come alive
Dead things come alive in the Name of Jesus
Dead things come alive
Dead things come alive
Dead things come alive in the Name
[Chorus: Chris Brown, Brandon Lake, Chris Brown & Brandon Lake]
I call You, Jesus
I call You, I call You Healer
Risen and reigning in power
Something comes out of the grave (Every time)
Every time I call You, Jesus
I call You, I call You Savior
Worthy of glory forever
Something comes out of the grave (Oh, every time)
Every time I call Your Name

[Refrain: Chris Brown, Brandon Lake, Both]
Chains break, dry bones wake
Every time I call Your Name
The gates of Hell shake
Every time I call Your Name (Dead things)
Dead things come alive, yeah
Dead things come alive, oh
Dead things come alive in the Name of Jesus (Yeah)
Dead things come alive
Dead things come alive
Dead things come alive in the Name of Jesus

[Interlude: Chris Brown & Brandon Lake]
Hey
So much power in the Name of Jesus
So much power in the Name of Jesus
Found my healing in the Name of Jesus
I was healed in the Name of Jesus
Found my freedom in the Name, Jesus
Found my breakthrough in the Name, Jesus
Come on, sing
[Outro: Brandon Lake, Choir, Brandon Lake & Chris Brown]
And I call You, Jesus
I call You, I call You Healer
Risen and reigning in power
Something comes out of the grave (Of the grave)
Every time I call You, Jesus
I call You, I call You Savior
Worthy of glory forever
Something comes out of the grave
Every time I call Your Name
Oh, yeah
I know His Name, too! :blush:
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Buried to increase profits.

ByABC News
November 1, 2001, 12:45 PM

Nov. 2, 2001 — -- The contaminated letters recently sent as biological weapons produced America's first human anthrax cases in …
a) centuries
b) decades
c) weeks

The answer, "c," might not be so surprising to ranchers and residents in parts of the country who have lived amid anthrax all their lives — but rarely have gotten sick.

"There are certain things that a rancher knows about raising cattle," said Ed Curlett, a spokesman for the Department of Agriculture's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service. "How to deal with anthrax is one of those things.""

European Parliament again calls for release of Nigerian imprisoned for blasphemy in ‘rare’ move

Freedom of religion is the best policy and this case has implications for Christians living under Muslim oppression. But he's a Sufi singing lies. You are only a real martyr if you sing/WhatsApp the truth.
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How to be a soldier of Christ

Look here. A crown of life​

James 1:12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.​


That crucifixion happens when we are baptized into Christ, and into His death...by baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins.
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‘Democrats Learned Nothing’: Karoline Leavitt Destroys Dems Over DOGE, Calls Them ‘Incredibly Out Of Touch’

The Democratic Party has nothing to show, so they collectively complain and whine about Trump.
You're not wrong there, my friend. Trump does tend to dominate the news cycle, and too many democrats are focused on responding to him and complaining about him. I also wish that Congressional democrats would focus instead on trying to enact legislation to help working Americans and do what they were elected to do: govern. There's been far too little of that lately, from either party.

But that doesn't garner attention in the saturated media market, so even if it did happen, we probably wouldn't hear about it anyway.

-- A2SG, still, it'd be nice if they made the effort.....
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Food Fight

What can I say? I'm a drama queen. I'm blaming God as He can get quite dramatic and hilarious in my dreams. I love it!

Anyway, not sure if this fits into this category, but I felt it is definitely a good read for this section. We'll see if it stays or lands elsewhere. Hope it puts a smile on your face.

Sometimes we just have to laugh at ourselves in our humanity. Click below.

Evolution with a biblical perspective (video)

Hi
Is it evolution or creation

Love and Peace
Dave
Both. Creation for sure, never thought of it like that. But must be some miscommunication with the word evolution. I think of it as simply things changing over time, and things always change, that's a given. Even heavenly realms come and go changing with the times.

I don't know why or how people can say evolution isn't a real thing when it's simply things and people changing over time (And they DO!) people change alll the time. We are either moving more toward the spirit or flesh. Idk.
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Australian healthcare workers threaten Israeli man, claim to have killed Jews in their care on camera

As bad as their statements were, the fact that they were using a hospital computer to perform an online chat during their work hours, that was not work related, would probably have got them suspended as well.
They really aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
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For as the lightning comes out of the east, and shines even unto the west...

Peace in Christ.

Again, the Son of man….the life of Jesus…is to be made manifest (SHINE) in our mortal flesh for this world to see.

interesting re-application of the text.

Rev 1 - "every eye shall see Him"

Matt 24:
23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘He is over here,’ do not believe him. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and will provide great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25 Behold, I have told you in advance. 26 So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
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God is Nondual

Exactly so! To deny divine immutability and God's perfection is to me blasphemy, not to mention being logically self-contradictory —such a being is simply not God. It is one thing to not understand what is meant by divine immutability, and so to raise objections, but it is another to deny it, knowing what it means. (Sorry for being obvious).

You also say, "Now some Process Theologians have tried to deal with this, but I have yet to see a Process Theologian express things in a manner that was consistent with the Nicene Creed." To which I add —Nor, even, in a manner consistent with Scripture.

Indeed. I regard anything inconsistent with the Nicene Creed as inconsistent with Scripture properly understood - to quote St. Vincent of Lerins, a Latin father from the early 5th century venerated in the Orthodox church, or was it St. Isidore of Seville, a Latin anti-Arian bishop who we also venerate who was involved in the early Mozarabic liturgy, that scripture is not in the reading but the interpretation. St. Vincent said that what has always been believed everywhere by everyone (meaning by the church whole) is properly called Catholic, which makes sense since the word Catholic in Greek literally means “According to the Whole” and not “Universal” as is commonly said.

Thus in Orthodoxy we regard ourselves as Catholic, and the Eastern Orthodox because of the historic connection with the Byzantine Empire, the surviving portion of the Roman Empire, identify as Romans - the persecuted Antiochian and other Arabic Orthodox Christians (and their Greek Catholic counterparts) in the Middle East and the Alexandrian Greeks who are not Copts, Maronites or Assyrians and Syriacs (Suroye) identify as Rum in Arabic from the Greek Romiioi meaning Roman, and are known as Melkites to the Oriental Orthodox, meaning “King’s Men” or “Emperor’s Men”, regardless of whether or not they are Antiochian Orthodox or Melkite Greek Catholic.
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