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Want your children to keep the faith? Study points to 1 key factor

Amid ongoing discussions about religious participation among younger generations, a new study has found that children whose parents attended church weekly were more than twice as likely to attend church regularly as adults.

The study, “Passing the Torch: How Faith Moves Across Generations,” released in June by the Institute for Family Studies and Communio, draws on data from four national studies involving thousands of Americans raised in religious households. Researchers examined which factors most effectively help children retain their faith into adulthood.

“[P]arents play the single most important role in passing on faith to the next generation,” researchers said.

According to the report, when parents reported attending church weekly while raising their children, “a predicted 26% of their children did the same in their 30s and 40s, compared to only 12% whose parents were not weekly attenders.”

When parents identified religion as being “very important in their lives,” nearly two-thirds of their children were predicted to say the same thing as adults, the study found. Parents who prayed daily also had a 47% chance of having children who maintained a prayer life in adulthood, compared to less than one-third whose parents did not pray daily.

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Why young women are rejecting the ‘girl boss’ script

recent article in the Daily Mail covering Turning Point USA's Women’s Leadership Summit portrayed the event as nothing more than a gathering of aspiring “tradwives,” a sort of beauty pageant for young conservative women longing for marriage, motherhood, and a life of submission.

Reading the piece, I found myself wondering whether the author attended the same conference as my wife and daughters. Because the women who came home to my house had a very different experience; they came home energized. They came home encouraged. They came home with a renewed sense of purpose and confidence. Most importantly, they came home knowing they were not alone.

As a husband and father of four children, including two daughters, I often feel like I am raising my family against the current of modern culture. The messages my wife and I teach at home are routinely challenged by a cultural narrative that insists fulfillment can only be found through personal autonomy, career achievement, and the rejection of traditional distinctions between men and women.

My daughters are constantly told that strength looks a certain way. Success looks a certain way. Empowerment looks a certain way.

The message is clear: If you want to be taken seriously, you must become a version of the modern “girl boss” archetype. You must view dependence as weakness, motherhood as a limitation, marriage as optional, and traditional femininity as something to be overcome rather than celebrated.

What my wife and daughters encountered at the TPUSA summit was something radically different. They heard that women are uniquely and gloriously created by God. They heard that the differences between men and women are not flaws to be erased but gifts to be embraced.

They heard that fulfillment can take many forms. A woman may choose to build a career, start a business, enter public service, raise children, or do some combination of all three. But a woman should never feel compelled to apologize for wanting a husband, a family, or a life centered on the people she loves.

That is not oppression.

That is freedom.

The conference presented a vision of womanhood grounded in biblical truth and conservative first principles. It affirmed something increasingly controversial in modern America: Men and women are equal in dignity, value, and worth before God, but they are not interchangeable.

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JD Vance says lack of Christian friendships drew him away from faith: 'I kind of just lost it'

Vice President JD Vance said earlier this week that he wandered from the Christian faith of his youth in part because he lacked a strong network of Christian friends.

Speaking during a Monday interviewwith Fox News host Jesse Watters about his upcoming memoir Communion: Finding My Way Back to Faith, Vance said part of what initially led him away from Christianity was "the fact that I wasn't properly formed in my faith," despite going to church "off and on" growing up.

“My grandmother, who raised me, she was a person who prayed, she was a person of very deep faith," he said. "But I was never actually that rooted in any particular church, in any particular community of members."

Recalling when a pastor involved in prison ministry told him that the friendships one cultivates can determine a person's spiritual trajectory, Vance said he strayed as he found himself surrounded by friends who didn't take religion seriously.

"I, unfortunately, had a lot of friends who were not people of faith," he said. "I had a lot of people who just did not, I think, properly support me in my own faith journey, and so ... I kind of just lost it."

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Yes, the friends, the community are helpful. But one should be aware, that some folks in one church or another just because of frienships, and family ties, and so they are not interested much in the truth, or the true charity, that is, learing how to shun evils as sins, and so the friendships for them are just like the ties of some local golf club or a family hobby. So, while being in the church, then are not necessarily in the good and truth of the Word. Or they do not even care if the church is truly based on the Word, and its genuine explanation.
It also seems that if one is not seaching the truth in the church, in the Word, then he drifts away, or find the appropriate circle of fiends according to this worldly interests. But if he is searching for the truth, and the true instructions, the friends who are truly Christians are of great help, but they can also be a great obstacle, if a man is attached rather to their persons, than to the true and good from the Word, for then the tight friendship and its pleasures does not allow to have a more objective view of the Word of the Lord.
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Adventist view of PreAdvent Judgment in Dan 7 , part 1. Investigative Judgment

My post is directly topical - I am asking why we are using Karaite sources to try to prove the Investigative Judgement, which is a doctrine the Karaites don’t believe, while at the same time rejecting Orthodox, Catholic and other Patristic sources.

I feel as though words are being put in the mouth of Karaite Jews in an attempt to prop up a doctrine that is entirely alien to them (since Karaites do not even believe in the devil, and are also a severely persecuted minority population).

Arguments that appeal to Karaite theology in relation to the Investigative Judgement are fallacious on multiple levels since Karaite theology denies the Incarnation of Christ, denies the existence of the devil, denies that the Messiah has come, denies the Nicene Creed and all other tenets of Christianity, even heterodox Christianity, and the essential truths as believed by Karaites are fundamentally different from those of any pre-tribulationist Christians including those who believe in the Investigative Judgement, therefore, citing them is an appeal to unqualified authority and is also an imposition upon their religion in the same way that if a Karaite quoted our Scriptures in an attempt to prove one of their doctrines it would be an imposition against our faith.

The issue is one of logic, and logical fallacies, and specifically the appeal to unqualified authority fallacy, which we have also seen vis a vis Josephus, another non-Christian Jew, albeit of the Pharisaical persuasion, whose views differ from the known beliefs of Sadducees and other contemporary Jews and from those of the Christians of that era.

It is extremely important to avoid logical fallacies when trying to make a theological point, because Christ is the Logos. Now, an argument that contains a fallacy is not inherently incorrect in its conclusions, but because its methodology is flawed it becomes impossible to reasonably assess the legitimacy of the argument, since the argument is by definition Alogoi (illogical or unreasonable) and this is why I’m objecting to the use of Karaite beliefs as a source in supporting the Investigative Judgement.

If Christ is the Logos then we must be logical in approaching theological issues.
As I said, lets keep this thread clear for the explanation and keep the discussion/debate and the questions in The Investigative Judgment or Pre-Advent Judgement.
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Novena in Honor of the Sacred Heart of Jesus

THE NINTH DAY

With the Blessed Virgin,
the Angels, and the unknown Saints of all States.

Adore the Sacred Heart of Jesus, who complains of the coldness and indifference of the lukewarm, and who promises so much to fervent souls, who have generosity to relinquish all, in order to love Him without reserve.

Practice--Endeavour to discover the cause of your want of devotion and of your tepidity; adopt such measures as will enable you to arise from this state, and embrace every means which may contribute to render you more agreeable in the eyes of Jesus Christ.

Prayer of St. Alphonsus Liguori to the Sacred Heart

O Adorable heart of my Jesus, heart created expressly for the love of men! Until now I have shown towards Thee only ingratitude. Pardon me, O my Jesus. Heart of my Jesus, abyss of love and of mercy, how is it possible that I do not die of sorrow when I reflect on Thy goodness to me and my ingratitude to Thee? Thou, my Creator, after having created me, hast given Thy blood and Thy life for me; and, not content with this, Thou hast invented a means of offering Thyself up every day for me in the holy Eucharist, exposing Thyself to a thousand insults and outrages. Ah, Jesus, do Thou wound my heart with a great contrition for my sins, and a lively love for Thee. Through Thy tears and Thy blood give me the grace of perseverance in Thy fervent love until I breathe my last sigh. Amen.

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What does "forsake all" actually mean?

Jesus told His disciples to leave everything and follow Him. When we look at how Peter, James, John, and Levi responded, we see that they didn't merely agree with Jesus intellectually — they took concrete action. They left behind careers, possessions, and security to follow Him.

How should Christians understand these passages today? Are these examples only descriptive of the first disciples, or do they reveal something about the level of commitment Jesus expects from all of His followers?

I've been studying this topic recently and put together a short video exploring it. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the question itself, whether or not you watch the video.

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When Jesus truly reigns as Lord of our lives, we relinquish all ownership of our time, possessions, loved ones and future hopes to Him.
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Amillennialism Safe House

I think I see what you mean. The answer is probably to be found in modern church history. When the protestant reformation began in 1517 AD eschatology was basically amillennial, although the term wasn’t used. Protestants never took issue with eschatology at that time. It was one of the doctrines they never felt needed reform.

However, in 1820 AD a powerful revival - the second awakening - came on to the scene with a new emphasis on premillennial eschatology. I don’t think that Charles Finney was premillennial, but simultaneous to this revival came a spate of borderline Christian end time theories. The classic examples were the Dispensationalists (1830 AD) and the Adventists. (1844 AD) These two movements have had a disproportionate influence on modern eschatology.

When the Fundamentalist movement developed in the early 20th century, they adopted dispensationalism as an article of faith, and branded it into the doctrinal statements of numerous modern Evangelical and Pentecostal denomination
Hence the antipathy toward Amil that you are asking about. Fortunately, many are beginning to find their way back to a sounder eschatology.
Charles Finney said this: "There are two opinions held in the church. One is that Christ will eventually come and build a physical kingdom on the earth. The other is that he will never do that. But both opinions agree on this point. that he will transform the earth in this present age we are living."

That was not an exact quote. That is from my memory. But he often said: "When the millennium fully arrives. " Meaning, I take it. The millennium is that transformation we are now living out. It is not a time period but an illustration of the kingdom of God filling the earth after the Roman Empire fell according to Daniel 2 & 7. The world will be a completely different place morally as the influence of that kingdom grows.

One might point out how drastically it has been transformed just since that second great awakening. Even with all the evil that arose. It was not able to stop billions coming to Christ and the transformation of the world that outside of a couple nations, was totally run by the despotism of kings, emperors and warlords. The oppressors, if measured by what was, in comparison to today, are truly coming to nothing. Many people now a days can't even wrap their heads around how death and hell ruled over the ancient world.

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel. 20 For the tyrannical oppressor is brought to nothing.....
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Two MN Dem Pols + Spouses Shot in Targeted Shooting

Suspect in Minnesota political killings will not face death penalty: DOJ

Prosecutors declined to pursue the ultimate punishment against 58-year-old Boelter because a federal judge ruled earlier this year in an unrelated murder case that interstate stalking charges do not rise to the level to support a capital crime, officials said.

The decision by federal prosecutors not to seek the death penalty stems from a Jan. 30 ruling by New York U.S. District Court Judge Margaret Garnett in the federal murder case against Luigi Mangione, the suspect charged in the December 2024 killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in Midtown Manhattan. Mangione has pleaded not guilty to the charges. Garrett ruled that stalking is not a crime of violence and, therefore, not a predicate to make the killing of Thompson a capital crime.

[For the legal beagles, does that control (or reasonably influence) what happens in Minnesota?]

Boelter has pleaded not guilty to six federal counts, including murder, attempted murder, stalking and other firearms-related charges. He has also pleaded not guilty to murder and attempted murder in state court, where he faces life in prison if convicted.
Federal prosecution just means a Trump pardon.

Has the criminal been tried in state court?
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Dept. of War removes Wicca, about 180 other belief systems as recognized religions

Allie Beth Stuckey Tells Sen. Mike Lee: ‘Mormonism Rejects the Triune God’

When Sen. Mike Lee asked why his church was initially left off the list of Christian faiths, numerous people responded with theological explanations. “That’s because Mormons aren’t Christian,” someone replied, adding:

You believe god was once a man who became god, and that you can become a god if you do good enough. You believe you are saved by grace after all the works you do. The Bible teaches the exact opposite. God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) have ALWAYS been and ALWAYS will be.

That person also shared a video about Mormonism from Jeremiah Films, creator of the 1982 documentary “The God Maker.”

Conservative commentator Allie Beth Stuckey also engaged in back-and-forth debate on X with Lee. To his request for an explanation of the slight, she posted, “Because, unlike every Christian denomination, Mormonism rejects the triune God.”

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The same can be said about Jehovah witnesses since they also reject the Holy Trinity.
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Apologist John Lennox’s ‘Peace and Contentment’ Is the Most Compelling Argument for God, Says Steven Bartlett

No, I'm not saying that you can prove God's existence mathematically. My point is that someone, like John Lennox, who has a personal relationship with Jesus yet who is an eminent mathematician, is likely to carry more weight with atheists, especially those who look to science for their answers, than a theologian would. Their response to the latter is usually "I trust science", but when someone with John Lennox's credentials, in a scientific subject, says that he believes in God they are more likely to listen.
That hasn't been my experience. IME, that's the sort of thing that sounds good to Christians, but doesn't really pan out in real life.

From what I've seen, the "I trust science" crowd is more likely to listen to you if you acknowledge that it's all based on faith and focus your attention on the metaphysical aspects of life that science can't answer.
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Prepping in 2026, Why You Should Do It.

Costco is selling water storage units. I saw it on a facebook reel yesterday. They wouldn't carry it in the store if there wasn't demand and we've seen deals on freeze dried food as well.

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What is more important than water in your preps?
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So.....did your insurance premium go up?

How much more are ~220,000 MARYLAND ACA enrollees *really* paying this year due to Trump/GOP policies? (with important additional data points)


As I've repeatedly warned, however, the increases in premium costs (whether gross or net) are only half the story. The other big shoe which is dropping this year is increased out of pocket costs as millions of the ~19.2 million or so remaining enrollees as of April have been forced to downgrade their coverage to avoid (or at least minimize) those massive premium spikes.

In most cases this means moving to plans with higher deductibles, higher co-pays & higher coinsurance costs. In many cases this has also included moving to plasn with worse networks, referral requirements to see specialists and so on.

With that in mind, that's exactly what I've decided to set out to do: Calculate the average year over year increase not just in net premiums (that is, how much more ACA enrollees are having to pay each month) but also the year over year change in average out of pocket costs.

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We Speak the Wisdom of God

1 Corinthians 2:6-14 NKJV

6However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9But as it is written:
“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
10But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Natural Man

Now the Lord put in my mind a secular song called, “On My Own,” which is taken from the movie/musical “Les Misérables,” yet I do not recommend the movie/musical due to certain content. The song is about someone being “in love” with someone else who does not return the same affection. So this person lives in a fantasy world, having a love affair with this person in their own mind. And as I thought about that in relation to this Scripture passage, I thought about the “natural man” and how that might relate to him or her.

For the “natural man” is our flesh nature that we are born with. And those who live according to the flesh, and not according to the Spirit of God, will naturally think on and act on what is of the flesh, and not on what is of God. Even if they know about God, and even if they have studied the Scriptures, and even if they have made a profession of faith in Jesus, and maybe even have taught the Scriptures, they may still be those who are still living by the flesh, living in a fantasy world, not receiving the things of the Spirit of God.

So, who they are “in love” with may or may not be a person, but it could be an idea or a concept or a certain belief or a particular subject. Or it could just be the world – the lusts of the flesh and of the eyes, and the pride of life. And when I think of “fantasy” that can include movies, stories, and imaginary tales, which includes all kinds of sources of entertainment. But it could also include porn addiction, and/or romanticizing a relationship with whoever is in the video, which Jesus Christ calls adultery and also idolatry.

Of the Spirit of God

In contrast to the natural man who lives by the flesh, and not by the Spirit, we who are of the Spirit of God, via God-persuaded and God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, by which we deny self, die to sin, and follow our Lord in obedience, we should be among the spiritually mature. We should not be those who are living in a fantasy world, living according to our flesh, getting our “high” from what is clearly against God. We should not be following the “wisdom of this age,” but rather the wisdom which comes from God.

For, if we have believed in Jesus Christ, in truth and in righteousness, and we have received his gift of salvation from sin, then we have not received the spirit of the world which tells us we can keep living however we want. But we have received the Spirit who is from God that we might know the things which come from God, that we might do all that God has planned for us to do and to be as his followers. And as his followers we must follow him in obedience to his commands and no longer live as slaves to sin.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

For Those Who Love God

To love God – Father, Son Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit – is to obey him according to his New Covenant commandments written down for us in the New Testament books of the Bible. It is to deny self, die to sin daily, and to follow our Lord wherever he leads us in doing, and in being, and in speaking all that he has for us to do and to be and to say. It does not mean that we will never sin again (1 John 2:1-2), but that sin must no longer be our habit, what we practice. Now living the life God has for us is how we want to live.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 12:1-2; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; 2 Corinthians 5:10,15,21; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:1-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

The Spirit Calling

An Original Work / November 12, 2019
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


Hear the Spirit calling. He’ll keep you from falling.
Tenderly He’s calling, “Come and follow Him.”
Walk with Jesus daily. Don’t give in to lazy.
Folks may call you crazy. Fellowship with Him.

Follow where He leads you. Eat what Jesus feeds you.
His love will renew you, if you follow Him.
Do what Jesus tells you. Don’t let your faith fail you.
His love will avail you, if you walk with Him.

Jesus, Lord and Savior, reigneth now forever.
He gave us His favor, so we’d live with Him.
Turning now from our sin, Holy Spirit live-in.
Holiness we walk in, purified by Him.

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We Speak the Wisdom of God
An Original Work / June 10, 2026
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
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A 5 million year old graveyard of Whales

""An enormous whale graveyard around 1,200km (745 miles) long has been discovered in the south-eastern Indian Ocean"

"
Jellyfish, worms and crustaceans are among the community of creatures living off the huge spread of carcasses"


and (but paywalled) in Nature Magazine
A vast whale necropolis has been found

This seems like one distinctly impressive find.
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