tonychanyt said:

I enjoyed reading Watchman Nee some decades ago. I was impressed with his intellectual precision. That's what it takes to be a good mathematician. I think he is fine. He died in prison for not renouncing Jesus under Mao's rule of China.

I attended The Local Church in Toronto. Their liturgy was very different from other churches. The seating in the sanctuary was organized a bit like a synagogue. There was a small table in the center with bread and wine. Everyone sat around it. Anyone could sit anywhere they wanted. There were about 200 of us. The room was packed. There were Chinese, Koreans, blacks, and a few white people of every age. They had to put in more chairs to accommodate.

The format of the service was similar to an IVCF meeting. There was no pastor, tithe collection, choirs, guitar, or drums. There was one piano outside of the circles of people. The service was started by someone, probably an elder, who sat close to the table, picking a song from the official hymn book. Everyone started to sing, accompanied by the piano. When the song finished, someone said some lines from the Bible or the songbook, and everyone said "amen" at every pause of his speech. Then, someone picked out another song. The process repeated. People could speak in English, Mandarin, or Korean. There was a simultaneous translation that you could hear on the earphones provided. There was a 2-minute limitation for anyone's speech. If you were over the time limit, the piano guy played a note to warn you. After 30 seconds, if you still would not stop, he played again. The whole thing was rather civil and spontaneous. That singing and praising went on for 40 minutes.

After that, there were church announcements followed by welcoming the newcomers. Three people were first-timers but attended their Local Churches in their respective cities. I didn't bother announcing myself. The stranger (S1) next to me was very nice. He knew I was new and bought me a copy of the official book I needed for the next phase of the service: small groups. That explained why I saw so many small rooms earlier. I joined his small group. The official book lists the weekly topics and some guidelines for each. For that week, the topic was Nehemiah's wall. The discussion went well. People were civil, sticking the Bible with a bent to Watchman Nee's theology.

The only thing that S1 knew about me was that I was a man, unkempt, and biked an hour in the morning from downtown Toronto. Yet, he got out of his way to introduce me to some elders. I must be older than I thought

Nehemiah's wall won't protect you from Satan's attacks. He can attack your flesh, emotions, and mind to cause you to sin. God will strengthen your spirit inside you to make you a spiritual man. Our best protection is from God from inside of you. That's my point for my small group. My point was well received.

I recommend anyone visit their Lord's Recovery Local Church at least once

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I just downloaded Watchman Nee - The Normal Christian Life after seeing your post earlier today, and decided to allow the AI on my computer to ingest the document to learn it. So, in the future, if anyone asks theological questions here and the person wants an AI response, it can now quote Watchman Nee. My guy, @Xeno.of.athens, enjoys asking deep theological questions, and he appreciates the input of artificial intelligence when I demonstrated it to him. He might like how Watchman Nee is in the AI's database, along with the small Catholic Catechism.

Hebrews 13:15 KJV
By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

My interpretation: textual evidence scriptures( 2 Corinthians 4:14 )To be delivered to become like God and becoming like God through sacrifice of praise and fruit of your lips giving thanksguving.

2 Corinthians 4:14 KJV
'knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. '

Interpretation- The act of interpreting,explanation of unintelligible words in language that is intelligible.

The new testament( New Convenant) was written in Greek

How to keep faith and have the victory over compassion not to come up short to become like God

‭Philippians‬ ‭4:13‬ ‭KJV‬
13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬
23 but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;


John 15:26 KJV But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

That the testimony of Jesus Christ will bless you in all ways in life to have what you want.-2 Corinthians 5:14 KJV.

2 Corinthians 5:14 KJV.
"For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:"

My interpetation and spoken by Reginald Taylor Jr is plain and evident"(token " Not to be in state of hunger, depression, poverty" becoming wealthy and rich which is the new Convenant.-Psalm 112:3 KJV Proverbs 23:7 KJV

Psalm 112:3 KJV
'Wealth and riches shall be in his house: And his righteousness endureth for ever. '



Proverbs 23:7 KJV
"For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee."

The testimony of Jesus Christ has blessed me -Psalm 112:3 KJV believing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ offering the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name. (1 Peter 2:9, Hebrews 7:26,Joshua 1:8)

1 Peter 2:9 KJV
'But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: '

Hebrews 7:26 KJV
'For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; '

Joshua 1:8 KJV
This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Published and spoken Word by Reginald Taylor Jr

Alessa_the_jaz said:

Well that’s somewhat my issue because I did ignore his spirit for a long time and I think he left because I don’t feel any conviction

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Eph 1:13-14 - In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Rom 11:29 - For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

I believe you've quenched the Holy Spirit but it very clearly says that you are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the redemption of the purchased possession (Christ's return)

eleos1954 said:

I look at policies ... the democratic party is taking us down the road of communism and NO don't want anything to do with that ... they all have problems but some worse than other ... pick your poison.

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I believe the same way! And I constantly look at the policies of different parties.

frienden thalord said:

Its all out war for the souls of men in these last hours upon earth . To the trenches .

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Yep, it is. In a few weeks, or maybe a month or so, I will be releasing a new devotional titled Battle Stations: Spiritual Warfare. It will discuss how the churches and society are getting infiltrated with demonic practices.

All hands, battle stations (Star Trek: The Next Generation reference)
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How to keep faith to trust God not to fail to compassion becoming like God.


‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬
23 but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;



‭Philippians‬ ‭4:13‬ ‭KJV‬
13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

John 15:26 KJV But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

"For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:" 2 Corinthians 5:14 KJV. My interpetation is plain&evident"(token )" " Not to be in state of hunger, depression, poverty"

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Michie said:

A substantial share of Americans say they plan to move out of their state or even the country if the presidential candidate they oppose wins the election, according to a new poll.

A survey released last week by StorageUnits.com sampled the opinions of 1,968 Americans who plan to support either former President Donald Trump or Vice President Kamala Harris in the 2024 presidential election. The poll was conducted on July 22, the day after President Joe Biden ended his bid for the Democrat nomination for president and endorsed Harris.

Overall, 15% of respondents said they planned to leave their state and/or the U.S. if the candidate they oppose in the 2024 presidential election wins. Nineteen percent of Harris' supporters planned to relocate, as did 12% of Trump supporters.

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1 in 7 Americans plan to move if their preferred presidential candidate loses: poll

A substantial share of Americans say they plan to move out of their state or even the country if the presidential candidate they oppose wins the election, according to a new poll

www.christianpost.com

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They said the same before the last 2 elections.
Unfortunately they reneged. Hopefully this time they will follow through.

Yuwang said:

Some one mentioned "Judgement" as if it is wrong. Correct Judgement requires knowledge. That is what the Sherlock Holmes stories were all about, making correct judgement. Hosea 4:6 wrote that "My People Perish for lack of Knowledge." People often cannot make correct Judgements without knowledge. So, in effect Hosea was saying "My People Perish for lack of Judgement.

As for Sabbaths at the North Pole etc. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, therefore nothing wrong with having a fire to keep war on a Sabbath.
As for the man who was stoned to death for gathering some wood on the Sabbath, we do not know enough to decide that ancient issue.

One more thing: YahShua did not eliminate the 7th Day Sabbath. It is still valid.

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Welcome Yuwang. Do you believe Jesus chose Paul to start spreading the Good News to all mankind?

mourningdove~ said:

The unfortunate thing is that their tactic, and others, worked!
They actually got Joe Biden into the office of the President.

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I think that had more to do with election manipulation than it did with misguided voters. Trump was winning by a landslide right up until about 3:00 in the morning, when tens of millions of "votes" for Biden magically "appeared" out of thin air. Pelosi & Gang saw that Trump was going to be re-elected, and they couldn't let that happen, so they pulled out their dumpsters full of "Biden votes" and made sure he was the one who got in the White House.

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I'm trying not to be surprised, if they are able to do it again ... this time, with Harris.

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I won't be surprised either. They know they can get away with it now, since they did it once. But the question is whether the People will accept another swindle like they did last time. I don't believe that they will.

Akita Suggagaki said:

I am asking a question. We seem to have this spectrum from conservative, rugged individualism on the right to progressive, socialism on the left.
Where is the middle ground?

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Good question. I suppose somewhere in between helping people who actually need it, and creating a dependency class out of those who don't.

Merrill said:

this completely stupid statement "Trump pitted the states against one another driving up prices instead of facilitating and coordinating distribution" is false on several levels

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Insults make poor arguments, but it's clear why Donald appeals so much to you - your debate styles are very similar.

1. Trump never "pitted states against each other" --and what does that even mean? Bogus DNC talking-point. Trump was not in charge of distribution.

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Except that he did. Rather than coordinate supplies, he made the states compete against each other which drove up the prices. Trump put his nepobaby Jared in charge of that; Jared then outsourced the responsibility to college buddies with no experience (which showed).

2. Trump "drove up prices of the vaccine" --Trump has absolutely no authority to do that, didn't do it, and wouldn't have done it. Again, total nonsense

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Um, that isn't what I ever said. That is total nonsense - where the heck did you get that from? Perhaps you could read a bit more carefully?

Democrats literally wanted to distribute the vaccine to people based on race --tell me how that isn't interfering with the Vaccine rollout

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First off, please show some evidence that this is true. Second, what they did or didn't do is just a red herring as this is about how badly Donald flubbed it up.

"Trump denied the seriousness of the Pandemic" --he did?

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Yes, many times throughout the year. Do you need a list?

Then why was a vaccine developed with Federal funding? You do realize the contradiction here yes? The whole country was shut down at one point.

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According to you, Donald had nothing to do with the shutting down of the country, so that's a odd argument to make. Many vaccines were developed not just "a" vaccine. It is customary for the feds to fund vaccines because they are not generally that profitable.

Democrats politicized the pandemic from day one. Remember when Biden said it was racist and xenophobic to shut down travel between the US and China in the early days of the outbreak? Democrat mayors sent people with COVID into nursing homes in places like New York, and when a bunch of people died, blamed Trump.

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What Democrats did or didn't do does not ameliorate the awfulness of Donald's flubbing. Fun fact: two things can be awful at the same time!

Democrats worked with the CCP to spread disinformation regarding the origins of the outbreak, prevent that country from being held liable for the disaster, and endorsed the "zero-covid policy" which China used.

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Oh dear. This is conspiracy nonsense that has nothing to do with Donald's incompetence at handling an actual crisis.

That policy was a total fiasco, didn't work, and wrecked the economy and helped cause a tidal wave of inflation. Tens of thousands of Americans dies because they couldn't get medical care, tests, etc.]

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Hundreds of thousands died during the pandemic while Donald touted quack treatments, secretly got himself vaccinated and flubbed the whole thing (except for helping to fund vaccine development).

and then Democrats gaslit the public about "conspiracy theories", "quacks", "civic duty"

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Dang Democrats!!

there should have been public trials after all this happened, and these people should have been convicted and thrown in jail for what they did

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Well, kudos, I guess, for calling for public rather than secret trials, but shouldn't convictions be based on the actual evidence and determined after the show trials?

Bradskii said:

Is that what you think Congress is for? Translating verbose and complex bills into a simple form that a third grader could read? Granted that I'm sure we could both name people in politics that need that to happen. As has been said, there are some people who don't like to read a lot because their lips get tired. But that's not actually what Congress does.

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well ... as the saying goes "the devil is in the details" ... many times they are not even given enough time to read the bills ... this is nonsense

Ana the Ist said:

On this forum?




On this forum?

Can you point him out? I don't know if the dark one can use the site without breaking the rules.



He doesn't?



Ahhh....is he getting close to silencing it?



Common ground can be nice....getting along can be nice....

But I agree that at a point of demarcation....a line gets crossed...and action must be taken or all is lost.



What do you do when you have more than one Jesus?




That's a very human thing....isn't it? To be understood and get others to agree?



Fortunately I haven't felt that love.



I'm not familiar with that test.



They had just 1 job...



I never understood that curse god gave the serpent. To crawl along his belly for the rest of his days? Did snakes walk at one point?




So Jesus is Adam and the church is Eve?




Isn't believing in Jesus and tolerating other religions an option?




Doctrines of Destruction would be a good book.



Feels like serving flesh happens every day in this country.




In fairness, if one is to value something after finding themselves absent of values....one could find far worse examples than Jesus.

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question one . YES .
question two . YOU BET HE IS . HE IS THE ONE WHO SET these kind of rules in the first place . OH HE BE HERE all right .
Again YES . satan dont give a rip one if one believes in the god of the muslims or any other religoin .
The why . CAUSE HE THE AUTHOR of all them relgioins . HIMS gets the worship through the lie .
Is he getting close to silencing the true gospel . Well within christendom in large HE ALREADY HAS .
But the true lambs wont heed him , just like they didnt in the day and age of the first apostels and even
now a remnant within christendom will NEVER SHUT THEIR MOUTH and will DIE , be beaten , be ridiculed
persecuted , BUT WONT BUDGE . SO the answer the can he truly silence the gospel . WELL NOT FROM MY LIPS HE CANT
nor any other lamb . I am just so sad most have bought the devils version of what he calleth a gospel
You know like the social one , the all inclusive one , the broad path , the sin accepting gospel . THAT AINT JESUS folks , ITS THE DEVIL
in wool . and many have bought into his lie . And when i say many , BOY DO I MEAN MANY .
common ground with satan can FEEL nice good and loving . But what does GOD , CHRIST , or a lamb
have in common with darkness . THE ONLY THING i have in common with satan and his false religoins , WHICH BE
every other religoin , IS my old man , the flesh , the very thing that by the grace of GOD we SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD TOO .
You is gonna have to explain what the heck demarcation is .
That my friend is a real good question . REAL GOOD . you asked when do you have more than one JESUS .
Answer . YOU DONT . but satan sure can present another jesus . ANY jesus that contradicts THE BIBLICAL ONE , IS A LIE FROM SATAN .
SO LOVE ALL HIS WORDS , love all truth insipired in that bible . Cause any jesus that contradicts the truth , IT AINT JESUS .
though there be many DIFFERENT versions of JESUS out there . IT BE BIBLE TIME . GOOD QUESTION my friend . YOU ASKED A GOOD ONE .
To be understood is not a good thing if the person who desires to be understood wants to simply be accepted
for his or her sin . Being understood IS GOOD , IF SO BE WE WANT TO LEARN TO understand the things OF GOD .
Very good questions my friend .
And just how do you KNOW you have not felt that false love and that you are not under it already .
NOW this i ask not to accuse you but for you to just answer the question . HOW DO you truly know
you are not under the influence of that other version of love .
Yes adam and eve were given one simple commandment . But lets not be too harsh on them , HECK MOST OF CHRISTENDOM
breaks a ton of his words and commandments and sayings as does THE FALSE RELIGOINS TOO .
technically that was an allegory my friend . see the first adam is man , the second adam be the LORD from heaven .
Now when i said eve . that too was an allegorical example of the church
as eve was pulled from the man as he slept , SO too was the church born of CHRIST , and he too was in the earth three days .
SO its an allegorical example i gave when i called the church eve . Just a figure of speech my dear friend .
The serpent . oh it was not a physical snake at all . that too is a representation my friend . as serpent
is often used to describe something evil . it dont always mean SNAKE at all . but thanks for asking anyway .
tolerating . can one believe in JESUS and tolerate other relgions . YES , BUT NOT THE WAY this generation
tries and make tolerating seem .
Example . FIND COMMON ground , just get along , etc . BIG TIME DEAD WRONG .
as for me i am kind to all , BUT BELIEVE YOU ME them false religoins will hear about the dire need to repent and beleive on JESUS

I have no fear at all. I must be repentant and trust in God’s mercy.

Peace in Christ.

Those who will “endure” (meaning – to remain under) unto the end (the end of this age) shall be saved.

We are to remain ("endure) in this earth in this mortal body for the remainder of this age by having an age-lasting life (aka “eternal life”).

Mat 24:13-14 KJV
(13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Our job while we mortally endure to the end of this age: to preach to this world (unto all nations) the good news of the kingdom which is the “Great Commission”.

(14) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The kingdoms of this world….all of man’s governments….will become the kingdom of our Lord and His Christ.....whether they will like that or not. They have no choice.

Rev 11:15 KJV
(15) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

By having an age-lasting life, we can then truly fulfill the “great commission”. He shall rule in this earth until He puts down all rule and all authority and power. We rule with Him.

1Co 15:24-25 KJV
(24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
(25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

All power is given unto Him in heaven and in earth. The nations are to hear that. They are to be taught that. Jesus is the Ruler of this earth.

He is the Ruler and the nations are to hear that and be taught to observe all the things that He commands us.

Mat 28:18-20 KJV
(18) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
(19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

He is with us even unto the end of the AGE while we preach to the nations of this world His government which shall replace all of man's governments.

(20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world (AGE). Amen.

We who will hear and believe in what the Son teaches us shall have an age-lasting life. He will be raising us up (keep us standing here in this earth) TO the last day of this age.

John 6:
(40) And this is the will of him that sent me, that everyone which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have age-lasting life: and I will be raising him up TO the last day.

40 τοῦτο (This) γάρ (for) ἐστιν (is) τὸ (the) θέλημα(will)τοῦ(of the)πατρός(Father)μου(of me)ἵνα(in order that)πᾶς(everyone)ὁ(the)θεωρῶν(beholding)τὸν(the)υἱὸν(Son)καὶ(and)πιστεύων(believing)εἰς(into)αὐτὸν(him)ἔχῃ(may have)ζωὴν(life),αἰώνιον,(everlasting)καὶ(and) ἀναστήσω (I shall resurrect) αὐτὸν (him) ἐγὼ (I) τῇ (to the) ἐσχάτῃ (last) ἡμέρᾳ. (day.)

He is come as a light into the world. He comes to give us an understanding…the knowledge. He opens up the Scriptures to our minds. And whosoever believes on Him shall not abide in darkness. They will not behave with the works of darkness towards what they hear but will behave as children of light.

Joh 12:44-48 KJV
(44) Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
(45) And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
(46) I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
(47) And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
(48) He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

This the Bread that comes DOWN out of the Heaven. This is the knowledge that comes from there and into this world…and everyone who shall “eat” of it shall live….into the age. They will not mortally perish from this earth but shall have an age-lasting life and will be able to truly preach to the nations of this world.

Young's Literal Translation

John 6:
57 ‘According as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, he also who is eating me, even that one shall live because of me;
58 this is the bread that came down out of the heaven; not as your fathers did eat the manna, and died; he who is eating this bread shall live — to the age.’

Again, He will be raising us up TO the last day of this age.

John 6:54
(54) Whoso eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, has age-lasting life; and I will be raising him up TO the last day.

Gentlemen, have you ever had your wife completely turn down your advances, seem completely disinterested in your attempts to woo her, and instead be totally annoyed with you? If your answer is yes, then you’re meant to read this.

Why might she be reacting in this manner? The answer is she probably feels USED.

If this truth hurts a bit, let it weigh on you. This very serious issue must not be downplayed. Getting to the root of this problem and finding genuine solutions can help lead both your wife and you to the height of marital bliss – inside and outside the bedroom.

Where do we begin?Love vs. Lust​

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for all to consider

swordsman1 said:

William Lane Craig is correct, Baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs at conversion. The idea of it being a secondary experience is old school Pentecostal teaching which has been widely refuted by bible scholars including Pentecostalism's own chief theologian Gordon Fee, as well as the most respected charismatic theologian Wayne Grudem.

I can quote expositions from them both if needed.

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the expression some use "baptism OF the Holy Ghost" is not correct. Believers are baptized WITH the Holy Ghost then they can be moved by the Holy Ghost and do things in the Holy Ghost etc. As scripture clearly says. This does affect some understanding.

consider your words here

“I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.” (Mark 1: 8 KJV)

“Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,” (Acts 13:9 KJV)

“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:” (Matthew 3:11 KJV)

“And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”

to put some more considerations into this, some were filled with the Holy Ghost before pentecost as we read,

“And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,” (Luke 1:67 KJV)

“For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.”

The Spirit baptizes believers into Christ or into the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13,) and then Jesus will be in them formed in them and He will then baptize them with the holy Ghost. They first have to have Jesus and know the name of Jesus to be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

“And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.”

First Jesus must be in men, in that sense they drank of him or the water of life. Then he will empower them and fill them with the Holy Ghost, this will be like a fountain of water flowing FROM WITHIN THEM. So it seems that they must first have Christ in them and had drank of that water of life then the water will bubble forth like a fountain with Jesus baptizes them with the Holy Ghost We see a hint of this here. Also the apostles were already saved and believers and had Christ in them before pentecost as many others did as well. Scripture can be shown to prove this in many places.

consider

"In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

So notice that they believed on him, then they would receive...the believing part is the drinking the water.the flow from within is where Jesus baptizes with the Holy Ghost as i see in scripture.

In a certain aspect they have the Spirit when they are saved but the power and filling with the Hoy Ghost is given to those that obey the gospel and faith. This is not man flesh works of obedience but the obedience of faith in Christ.

“And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.” (Acts 5:32 KJV)

and in Acts 8 they already believed the gospel and were saved (Acts 8:5-12 KJV) then we read

“Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:” (Acts 8:

Pope Francis said Sunday that the Eucharist is a “miracle” in which Jesus nourishes us with his life and satisfies the hunger in our hearts.

“All of us need the Eucharist,” Pope Francis said in his Angelus address on Aug. 18.

“The heavenly bread, which comes from the Father, is the Son made flesh for us. This food is more than necessary because it satisfies the hunger for hope, the hunger for truth, and the hunger for salvation that we all feel not in our stomachs, but in our hearts.”

Speaking from the window of the Vatican’s Apostolic Palace, the pope encouraged people to reflect with “wonder and gratitude” on the “miracle of the Eucharist” in which Jesus “makes Himself present for us and with us.”

“The bread from heaven is a gift that exceeds all expectations,” the pope said.

“Jesus takes care of the greatest need: He saves us, nourishing our lives with His, forever. Thanks to Him, we can live in communion with God and among ourselves.”

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chevyontheriver said:

Probably not. She also is launching ‘Evangelicals for Harris’ and ‘Catholics for Harris’. Maybe considering ‘Muslims for Harris’ she will also have ‘Jews for Harris’. I bet she doesn’t need to form ‘Abortionists for Harris’ or ‘Mainstream liberal Christians for Harris’ or ‘LGBTQ for Harris’. It’s all identity politics.

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Yeesh. People must be getting tired of that.

The Barbarian said:

It's the least she can do, now that he's going to have to come up with some mean names for her.

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Trump's advisors want him to talk about his economic policy, but he much prefers mockery and invective. He was still criticising her looks and her 'crazy' laugh' at yesterday's rally.