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Ethics in Internet

Quotes below from link above, emphasis in quotes is mine.



It is important to note that since the time of this Papal document, the Popes have had private meetings with the owners, heads, or CEO's of all the major social media platforms. Many of which we have all witnessed exercising a great deal of censorship on their platforms. These of course only represent the censorship the public at large has noticed and therefore brought forward to be addressed.

Here we have an address from the Vatican intending to define the parameters and or narratives of communication on the internet. Which it had apparently already addressed regarding the media, and has continued to address to date regarding social media as well. Basically a call to regulate that which it has considered to deregulated. These regulations should be implemented in line with the principles of what the Vatican describes as the common good. So, who determines or defines what the common good is? Adolf Hitler’s twenty fifth point of his 25 Points of the Nazi Party was - Common Good Before Individual Good. Adolf and the Nazi’s are pretty much gone for now, so whose common good are we talking about exactly? Obviously, we are talking about the common good as defined by the Vatican and Popes. Who is the Vatican to be calling for these regulations by nations on a global scale?

It most certainly is not the voice of the people of the various nations via the representatives they have elected to convey and implement their political desires. The Vatican stands among and as another international globalist institution of unelected officials, who wish to impose their politics upon the various nations of this world with or without the consent of the people of these nations. Just like all the other international globalist institutions of unelected officials, desiring to do the same. The Vatican itself has stated and supports the implementation of the rule of certain of these international globalist institutions over all nations. All of which is to specifically bypass the will of the peoples of nations in favor of the rule of unelected elitist international globalist officials in cahoots with each other. Of which the Vatican itself is a major if not the most significant players. Being herself a monarchal leftover from the dark or middle ages, this is the form of authoritative government she most fully supports and has most often supported throughout her lengthy history. To create such a system on a global scale, would be to recreate the conditions under which the Vatican ruled with the kings of this earth for over a thousand years. Just a global version of the dark ages with the Vatican and unelected officials of international organizations ruling together over all. Rather than the dark ages version of the Vatican and unelected kings, queens, and royalty ruling together predominantly over all European nations.

Authoritative government and censorship walk hand in hand. We have already and do continue to witness attempts by globalist and or left leaning entities to censor speech that does not support and or contradicts their narratives. The most recent and appalling examples being demonstrated during the Covid-19 plandemic. As we continue to examine the topic of censorship, I intend to reveal the direct connection between the so called common good, and the same. The following post will be an article from the days of Hitler himself addressing the dangers of a supposed common good. After which we will continue to address the present Papal document under examination, followed by many other Papal documents defining “The common good”, and its connection to authoritarian government and censorship.

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Are you seriously blaming the Roman Catholic Church for the censorship of certain left-leaning tech firms?

I would point out you have no evidence - not even circumstantial evidence, that the Roman church has conspired with these firms. The fact that the Pope has met with their leaders is immaterial - the Pope meets with a number of people, and different Popes have had different agendas. For example Pope Leo XIV is concerned about the dehumanizing uses of AI, as am I.

Obviously since chatGPT is about to allow users to generate erotica, which the RCC is opposed to, the Pope does not have much influence over the tech industry titans.

I really feel like this accusation, and your accusation of 120 million Roman Catholic caused fatalities in the Middle Ages, are off base in the extreme, and would like to know where you found them. Whoever is responsible for initially propagating these allegations should either bring forth real evidence or apologize to Roman Catholics everywhere, such as my pious Roman Catholic friends @chevyontheriver @Michie @Valletta @boughtwithaprice @RileyG and @Xeno.of.athens

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We have direct testimony and teaching from our Lord Jesus Christ concerning the proper place of tradition in relation to the law and testimony of the word of God, that is to say holy scripture.

Mrk 7:1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem. 2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault. 3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders. 4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables. 5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Tradition itself is subject to the law and testimony or word of God. Whatever traditions contradict the teachings of the law and testimony of holy scripture, are to be sacrificed by the believer, rather than the other way around.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

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We know our Lord was speaking of the Pharisaical traditions, and not Holy Tradition, for this reason - St. Paul expressly enjoins us to follow Holy Tradition in 1 Corinthians 11:2, 2 Thessalonians 2:15, and in the original Greek through the use of a word that means “traditioned” in Galatians 1:8-9.

Thus the abuse of Mark 7 as a condemnation of the Apostolic Tradition is simply eisegesis. If one reads the New Testament as a coherent whole, it is clear it endorses tradition, which was acknowledged by the early Protestants such as Martin Luther, Thomas Cranmer, John Wesley and even John Calvin - who did not dispense with tradition but merely sought to use Scripture to evaluate the traditions of the Roman Catholic Church at that time.

It would probably have been better to evaluate the Roman Catholic Church relative to the Orthodox churches since everything Luther was bothered by was not an issue in the Orthodox church; indeed the first proper Protestant church, the Unitas Fratrum in Moravia, under St. Jan Hus and St. Jerome of Prague, was an attempt to restore those things the Czechs and Slovaks had enjoyed under Orthodoxy - communion in both kinds and the use of a language (church Slavonic) which they could understand, even if that language was not the vernacular (for some Europeans likewise Latin was appropriate as a comprehensible liturgical language, particularly in Southern Europe, indeed Italians can understand some bits of Latin even today, particularly in Sardinia, and other Latin words such as Gratias are plainly translated into other languages such as Spanish, and indeed the Roman Church originally adopted Latin as a vernacular language, to be more accessible to the lower classes of Rome who could not speak Greek, not having access in their adolescence to a Rhaetor, the Roman equivalent of a private high school, which was out of budget for all except Patricians, Plebs of Equestrian stature and wealthy merchants such as Marcion, the heretical shipping magnate.

I find that ambient and drone music help quiet the endless loops in my head (ADHD for you) and enables me to digest Scripture more easily.

Christians should carefully read John 4:21-24, Romans 11:1-36 ( especially Romans 11:21-23)and beware of the current extreme, anti Israel sentiments that are emerging. Unbelievers should read and be hopefully converted.

Israel has a lot to answer for but it has enemies who will always try to not allow it to even exist.

I'm happy to have lived in an age of biblical enlightenment and have witnessed what it represents, the continual defeat of good by evil and the doom to come, but knowing ultimately that HIS Will will be done, not rebellious man's or elohim's who refuse to learn from history in their selfish rampage towards destruction.

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The more monitors the better. We don't need a repeat of Michigan. Lara Trump recruited more than 100,000 poll watchers.

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Discussion 1 was about Eve. This discussion will be about Adam, and at times Eve, because on certain points it was impossible to not to mention her.

I won't be talking about every single thing regarding Adam that is brought up in the book (there is a lot), so I picked certain things.


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Read Genesis 2 and 3 in your Bible. I will post a link to the NIV translation, but you are welcome to read whichever translation you prefer.





Some points about Adam (and sometimes Eve) mentioned in "God's Word to Women":

1. Adam and Eve were in one body in the beginning; they were created at the same time but Adam was "formed" first, then Eve (Paragraphs 23, 24, 30)
   
   
   

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2. With the above point in mind, Eve was taken out of Adam's "side" not "rib" (Paragraphs 38, 39, 41, 42, 43)
   
   
   

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3. At one point in time, Adam was free to eat from the Tree of Life, but he chose not to (Paragraph 31)
   
   
   

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4. Adam was given certain responsibilities concerning the Garden of Eden; Adam did not fulfill his responsibilities since Satan entered the Garden (Paragraphs 31, 36, 37, 69)
   
   

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What did you think of these points? Agree or disagree? Not sure? Do any of these statements contradict what you have been taught?

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as they. do also the rest of the SCRIPTURES

# A. This just shows that Peter was teaching THE LAW

# B And Peter did not a GRACE teacher as was Paul

# C And Peter was WARNING all that. there though that had the TRUTH and were also doing destruction to. the

rest of the. SCRIPTURES .and even. Peter sees the difference between LAW and GRACE !!
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A good video about the unreliability of radiometric dating.

Michie said:

Open coffin and chaplain in a Dracula cape: Church receives hate comments for "Halloween service"

A Halloween service with an open coffin, artificial fog, and a chaplain in a Dracula cape: This pleased around 50 residents of Freising – and angered many others.



But the Latin Mass is the problem



Halloween and the Catholic Church, do they somehow go together? Yes, says Freising parish vicar Michael Korell, pointing to the Catholic origins of the evening before All Saints' Day and therefore advocating for a "Halloween service" on October 31 in the Mortuary chapel at St. George's Cemetery. With plenty of artificial fog, a semi-open coffin, and a touch of spooky atmosphere.

Under the Dracula cape, Chaplain Michael Korell wore his official vestments.

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.... That's interesting. I'm not sure that this form of 'seeker friendly' service really does the job or represents the appropriate awareness of sanctity. But that's just my comment in passing.

Gregory Thompson said:

The book also says those who add to the words of the book will have plagues in it added to them, and those who take away from the words, the blessings will be taken away.

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I'm not re-writing the bible into my own translation and then handing that out to the public... I'm trying to figure stuff out and I think you're misinterpreting that. Based on your own stance for this, because I think you're misinterpreting this verse, I could give you the same warning. See why you shouldn't do that? Going around telling everyone they'll have the 10 plagues of Egypt when they're trying to understand scripture, is going to put them off from even trying in the first place. You are literally fear-mongering to silence alternative interpretations which is seriously vile misuse of scripture.

Gregory Thompson said:

That's what the scripture verse says: Men not defiled by women.

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We'll have to agree to disagree because there's symbolic queues for me to interpret this not literally.

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The mirror to the tribes is the disciples of the original 12 apostles.

All who believe fit under one of these.

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That has nothing to do with the tribe list of Revelation though. OT sure, but not this one.

All in all, we will have to agree to disagree.

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Of course it's significant. But we have evidence of human structures earlier than that. I don't think anyone was surprised that humans would stay in a place that had all the resources they needed, or that they'd be making tools, possibly for trade. Interesting, but not a surprising find.

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Environmental conditions changed dramtically over the time for which the site was occupied and tool use continued. A more reasonable expectation is that as the environment changed the population would move in order to remain in one where the conditions were ones they were familiar with. I understand such shifts are observed today and have been identified in the past. As such, describing this continuity as surprising seems a reasonable position, though I would prefer unexpected - it's less emotive.

Aristarkos said:

That is what you think it says, but it doesn't. As long as you do not recognize there are different groups of believers in Scripture, you keep mixing them up which creates an unrecognizable mix. Paul speaks in his first seven letters to those — both Jews and Gentiles — who are blessed WITH Abraham in contrast to Israel who are blessed IN Abraham. These are the ones who through faith became sons of God.

Since only some of the Jews belonged to the heavenly group, Peter feared their judgment of those who were still child of God.

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And have you ever read ACTS 28: 25-28 and EXPLAIN VERSES IN ISA 6:2

And then explain Isa. 6:5-13 AND who. is Isaiah. speaking too ??

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The Bible is an ongoing record of God's frustrations and His plan to deal with the rebellious who prefer an adversarial spirit to following His will as we learn to participate as aware workers in a creation that is necessarily built upon opposites including good and evil. It is still ongoing, even if the church insists they are the end all in instruction, even as they reject the Kingdom themselves for the adversarial world of man. We are at a stage now where we are personally given a chance to repent of man's and elohim's adversarial ways and join the Kingdom before the end of our personal age, showing our worthiness for the next step in creation. Manu may think they have applied but few understand the process. It started before the earth was formed and will continue when it is gone.

I'm at the Library again today!! ^w^

And Happy Sabbath Day!! ^w^ Thank You God!!

I pray that God would help you to manage the higher workload and that leaders in your company would notice your responsibility and reward you for it. In Jesus' name, amen.

I pray that God will help you to develop a heathy relationship to food and eating. I also pray that God would comfort and strengthen you in the face of disturbing world events. In Jesus' name, amen.

I pray that God would grant both justice and mercy in Israel. In Jesus' name, amen.

A difference of religion is always pernicious, and often fatal, to the harmony of the prince and people: the Gothic conqueror had been educated in the profession of Arianism, and Italy was devoutly attached to the Nicene faith. But the persuasion of Theodoric was not infected by zeal; and he piously adhered to the heresy of his fathers, without condescending to balance the subtile arguments of theological metaphysics. Satisfied with the private toleration of his Arian sectaries, he justly conceived himself to be the guardian of the public worship, and his external reverence for a superstition which he despised, may have nourished in his mind the salutary indifference of a statesman or philosopher. The Catholics of his dominions acknowledged, perhaps with reluctance, the peace of the church; their clergy, according to the degrees of rank or merit, were honorably entertained in the palace of Theodoric; he esteemed the living sanctity of Cæsarius and Epiphanius, the orthodox bishops of Arles and Pavia; and presented a decent offering on the tomb of St. Peter, without any scrupulous inquiry into the creed of the apostle.. His favorite Goths, and even his mother, were permitted to retain or embrace the Athanasian faith, and his long reign could not afford the example of an Italian Catholic, who, either from choice or compulsion, had deviated into the religion of the conqueror. The people, and the Barbarians themselves, were edified by the pomp and order of religious worship; the magistrates were instructed to defend the just immunities of ecclesiastical persons and possessions; the bishops held their synods, the metropolitans exercised their jurisdiction, and the privileges of sanctuary were maintained or moderated according to the spirit of the Roman jurisprudence. With the protection, Theodoric assumed the legal supremacy, of the church; and his firm administration restored or extended some useful prerogatives which had been neglected by the feeble emperors of the West. He was not ignorant of the dignity and importance of the Roman pontiff, to whom the venerable name of Pope was now appropriated. The peace or the revolt of Italy might depend on the character of a wealthy and popular bishop, who claimed such ample dominion both in heaven and earth; who had been declared in a numerous synod to be pure from all sin, and exempt from all judgment. When the chair of St. Peter was disputed by Symmachus and Laurence, they appeared at his summons before the tribunal of an Arian monarch, and he confirmed the election of the most worthy or the most obsequious candidate. At the end of his life, in a moment of jealousy and resentment, he prevented the choice of the Romans, by nominating a pope in the palace of Ravenna. The danger and furious contests of a schism were mildly restrained, and the last decree of the senate was enacted to extinguish, if it were possible, the scandalous venality of the papal elections.

I have descanted with pleasure on the fortunate condition of Italy; but our fancy must not hastily conceive that the golden age of the poets, a race of men without vice or misery, was realized under the Gothic conquest. The fair prospect was sometimes overcast with clouds; the wisdom of Theodoric might be deceived, his power might be resisted and the declining age of the monarch was sullied with popular hatred and patrician blood. In the first insolence of victory, he had been tempted to deprive the whole party of Odoacer of the civil and even the natural rights of society; a tax unseasonably imposed after the calamities of war, would have crushed the rising agriculture of Liguria; a rigid preemption of corn, which was intended for the public relief, must have aggravated the distress of Campania. These dangerous projects were defeated by the virtue and eloquence of Epiphanius and Boethius, who, in the presence of Theodoric himself, successfully pleaded the cause of the people: but if the royal ear was open to the voice of truth, a saint and a philosopher are not always to be found at the ear of kings. The privileges of rank, or office, or favor, were too frequently abused by Italian fraud and Gothic violence, and the avarice of the king’s nephew was publicly exposed, at first by the usurpation, and afterwards by the restitution of the estates which he had unjustly extorted from his Tuscan neighbors. Two hundred thousand Barbarians, formidable even to their master, were seated in the heart of Italy; they indignantly supported the restraints of peace and discipline; the disorders of their march were always felt and sometimes compensated; and where it was dangerous to punish, it might be prudent to dissemble, the sallies of their native fierceness. When the indulgence of Theodoric had remitted two thirds of the Ligurian tribute, he condescended to explain the difficulties of his situation, and to lament the heavy though inevitable burdens which he imposed on his subjects for their own defence. These ungrateful subjects could never be cordially reconciled to the origin, the religion, or even the virtues of the Gothic conqueror; past calamities were forgotten, and the sense or suspicion of injuries was rendered still more exquisite by the present felicity of the times.

Even the religious toleration which Theodoric had the glory of introducing into the Christian world, was painful and offensive to the orthodox zeal of the Italians. They respected the armed heresy of the Goths; but their pious rage was safely pointed against the rich and defenceless Jews, who had formed their establishments at Naples, Rome, Ravenna, Milan, and Genoa, for the benefit of trade, and under the sanction of the laws. Their persons were insulted, their effects were pillaged, and their synagogues were burned by the mad populace of Ravenna and Rome, inflamed, as it should seem, by the most frivolous or extravagant pretences. The government which could neglect, would have deserved such an outrage. A legal inquiry was instantly directed; and as the authors of the tumult had escaped in the crowd, the whole community was condemned to repair the damage; and the obstinate bigots, who refused their contributions, were whipped through the streets by the hand of the executioner. This simple act of justice exasperated the discontent of the Catholics, who applauded the merit and patience of these holy confessors. Three hundred pulpits deplored the persecution of the church; and if the chapel of St. Stephen at Verona was demolished by the command of Theodoric, it is probable that some miracle hostile to his name and dignity had been performed on that sacred theatre. At the close of a glorious life, the king of Italy discovered that he had excited the hatred of a people whose happiness he had so assiduously labored to promote; and his mind was soured by indignation, jealousy, and the bitterness of unrequited love. The Gothic conqueror condescended to disarm the unwarlike natives of Italy, interdicting all weapons of offence, and excepting only a small knife for domestic use. The deliverer of Rome was accused of conspiring with the vilest informers against the lives of senators whom he suspected of a secret and treasonable correspondence with the Byzantine court. After the death of Anastasius, the diadem had been placed on the head of a feeble old man; but the powers of government were assumed by his nephew Justinian, who already meditated the extirpation of heresy, and the conquest of Italy and Africa. A rigorous law, which was published at Constantinople, to reduce the Arians by the dread of punishment within the pale of the church, awakened the just resentment of Theodoric, who claimed for his distressed brethren of the East the same indulgence which he had so long granted to the Catholics of his dominions. At his stern command, the Roman pontiff, with four illustrious senators, embarked on an embassy, of which he must have alike dreaded the failure or the success. The singular veneration shown to the first pope who had visited Constantinople was punished as a crime by his jealous monarch; the artful or peremptory refusal of the Byzantine court might excuse an equal, and would provoke a larger, measure of retaliation; and a mandate was prepared in Italy, to prohibit, after a stated day, the exercise of the Catholic worship. By the bigotry of his subjects and enemies, the most tolerant of princes was driven to the brink of persecution; and the life of Theodoric was too long, since he lived to condemn the virtue of Boethius and Symmachus. (The History of the decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Vol. 4, Chap. 39, pgs. 153 - 158 of the Everyman's Library edition)

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Converted Barbarians more tolerant than apostate political Christianity. Ever struggling and bickering among and with the kings and politics of this world for dominion, rather than preaching the gospel of God’s Kingdom through Christ Jesus our Lord unto salvation. Calling the faithful out of the unending strife, war, and bloodshed of this world concerning who will be in power to effectively abuse and live off and upon the backs of the masses, rather than joining in with all of the same. Thereby becoming the persecutors rather than the persecuted our Lord prophesied His true followers would have to endure.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Jhn 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

I pray that God would provide a way for you and your fiancé's financial needs to be met. I also pray that the peace of God would replace any fear that you have. In Jesus' name, amen.

I would quote the article, but instead I shall just warn those who are Roman Catholic that some of it is rather one-sided and scathing...

Protestant group fires off complaint to King Charles III over papal prayer service -
Protestant group fires off complaint to King Charles III over papal prayer service

Peace in Christ.

We are to come out from among “them”….the man-based churches…and be separate

We are to no longer be attached to the unclean body of the man-based churches.

They will not believe in the Word of Truth when they will hear it. What in common will we have with the unbelievers of the man-based churches? We are not to be unequally yoked TOGETHER with the UNBELIEVERS of the man-based churches.

2Co 6:14-18 KJV
(14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
(15) And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
(16) And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(17) Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
(18) And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

We are to leave them for His sake and the gospel’s…..the truth of the gospel of our mortal salvation of which we will hear and believe in while they will not. They will persecute us for leaving them for His sake and the gospel’s.

A man’s foes shall be they of his own “household”….that is, of their own “church” family.

Mat 10:36-39 KJV
(36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

We are to hear Him and come forth from the man-based churches….being completely separate from them. He that will love his church family more than Him is not worthy of Him. Even though they might hear and believe, those who will love their own church family more will stay put in their churches rather than leave them for His sake. They will show that they are not worthy of Him and will not receive the promise of His presence....to shine His glory light to the people of the outside world.

(37) He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

He that does not take his cross and follow after Him is not worthy of Him. When we leave the man-based church family, they will persecute us for doing so. We are to be faithful to the His death on the cross and not return evil for their evil. We are to die to sin.

(38) And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Do not be afraid of their persecutions. Our souls shall be troubled by them…let us not shrink back to them in fear.

Do not seek to save your troubled soul by going back to their churches so that their persecution will stop. He that will try to save his soul (in order to stop their persecutions from troubling their souls) will lose it. Let us not "shrink back" to them out of fear of their persecutions.

(39) He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

We are to REJOICE instead when they revile and persecute us for His sake:

Mat 5:11-12 KJV
(11) Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
(12) Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Again, we must follow Him out of the man-based churches….and when we do, we shall receive now in this time all (100 fold) that we leave behind but also WITH PERSECUTIONS. The church “family”....the household... we leave behind will persecute you for leaving them for His sake and the gospel's.

Mar 10:28-31 KJV
(28) Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
(29) And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,

We shall receive all that we leave behind (and more so.) and in this age, THE COMING age-lasting life. In this age we are living in, we are to lay hold of the age-lasting life that is coming now to be had. It is set before us in this age to lay hold of. The coming age-lasting life is set before us to be had now in this age. The Lord comes so that we might have life NOW (the age-lasting life) and have it MORE ABUNDANTLY (receiving hundredfold now in this time.)

(30) But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world (AGE)to come (THE COMING) eternal life (AGE-LASTING life).
(31) But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.

The age-lasting life is set before us. We are called to having it now. We must “lay hold” on that coming age-lasting life that is to be obtained NOW in this age. John 10:10 .

1Ti 6:11-12 KJV
(11) But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
(12) Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

If we suffer with Him (as the unbelievers of the man-based churches will persecute us), then we shall also be glorified together with Him.

We are to be glorified with His presence…and the rest of the people of the outside world (those who will see and believe) will see His glory shining through us to them. They…the believers among them… will come to that light. They will come to us and be saved. We shall manifest Christ to their seeing eyes.

Rom 8:17-19 KJV
(17) And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

The sufferings of this present time (the persecutions of the unbelieving man-based churches) are not worthy to be compared with the glory that shall be revealed in us.
(18) For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

The rest of the creation is awaiting the manifestation of the sons of God. They will see His glory shine through us to them and will be saved.

(19) For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try us. We shall be persecuted by the unbelieving man-based churches for His sake and the gospel’s.

1Pe 4:12-14 KJV
(12) Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

We are to take the cross with us…dying to sin by not returning evil for their evil.

In doing so, we are made partakers of Christ’s sufferings so that whenever His glory shall be revealed (to the people of the outside world), we shall be glad with exceeding joy of which no man can then take away.

(13) But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
(14) If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

The man-based churches will trouble us on every side. They will persecute us and cast us down.

2Co 4:8-11 KJV
(8) We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
(9) Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

But we are to be faithful unto His death on the cross by not returning evil for their evil, nor reviling for their reviling, nor threatening in return for their threats.

We are to always bear about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus so that His life shall be made manifest/shine in our body…our mortal flesh.

(10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
(11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

We are “arise” and shine. We are to arise and depart from the dead man-based churches so that Christ shall give us His light.

Eph 5:14 KJV
(14) Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from (OUT OF) the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

The glory of the LORD shall arise upon us….and the people of the outside world who are in deep spiritual darkness shall see His glory upon us and come to our light.

Isa 60:1-3 KJV
(1) Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
(2) For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

Kings shall come to the brightness of our rising.

(3) And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

The rich and the powerful of the outside world will also come to His light shining in us….and we are to charge them (the believers among them) that they be not high-minded nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God….

1Ti 6:17-19
(17) Charge them that are rich in this world (AGE), that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
(18) That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

For they themselves are to lay hold on an age-lasting life now in this time to come. They are going to also receive an age-lasting life.

(19) Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

We are to manifest the Lord Jesus Christ to them (to the rich in this age). They will see Him through us.

It will be the “epiphany”….the manifestation of Him …and we are instrumental in His manifestation of Him to their seeing eyes. We are to flee things (such as love of money) and pursue righteousness as far as the EPIPHANY of our Lord Jesus Christ goes. We are to manifest His presence to the people of the outside world….and God chooses those among them to “see” Him through us. He chooses the “times” to show Him to the believers among those in the outside world.

1Ti 6:14-15 KJV
(14) That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing (Greek: epiphaneia- manifestation) of our Lord Jesus Christ:

In His times/occasions, He is shown to them (the believing kings and lords of this age) and they will see Him who is the only Ruler (the only Potentate),King of kings and Lord of lords, through us.

(15) Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Kings shall shut their mouth at Him. They will see His “visage”….His view…by looking at us as we shall shine His glory light to them. They will see what they had not been told and will consider what they had not heard.

Isa 52:13-15 KJV
(13) Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.
(14) As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:
(15) So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

Whenever Christ, who is our life, shall appear/shine, then we shall also appear with Him in glory towards the believers of people of the outside world who are sitting in deep darkness. God choose the “times” or occasions to show Him to those people who are chosen by Him to see Him through us.

In His times/occasions ( to the people chosen by Him to see Him and believe) , the people of the outside world shall see and believe through us.

Col 3:4
(4) When( WHENEVER) Christ, who is our life, shall appear/SHINE, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

All shall "see" Him....but all shall not see and BELIEVE.

Joh 6:36 KJV
(36) But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

In that "night"....in the people who are sitting in deep darkness...one shall see and believe and be received unto Him while the other will see and not be believe and shall be left.

Luk 17:34-37 KJV
(34) I tell you, in that night there shall be two in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
(35) Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
(36) Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Wherever the living body of Christ is, there the eagles be gathered together. The eagles are those of the outside world who will see and believe and gather to Him/us.

(37) And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

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