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essentialsaltes · Sep 3, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
And the sickness rate? Has it stayed the same, lessened or grown?

Time and time again, areas of the country with low childhood vaccination rates have seen fast-moving and lethal outbreaks of diseases, such as measles.

This past year, more than 760 people were infected with measles in West Texas, where kindergarten vaccination rates were 82 percent, far below the levels needed for herd immunity which is around 93 percent. Two unvaccinated children, aged six and eight, died as a result.

In 2018, when [Florida's] kindergarten vaccination rate dropped to 91.1 percent, the state saw an uptick in measles cases

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Nationally, measles vaccination rates in children have been falling, and we have a record high number of cases this year.

However, vaccination coverage among U.S. kindergartners has decreased from 95.2% during the 2019–2020 school year to 92.7% in the 2023–2024 school year, l

As of September 2, 2025, there have been a total of 1,431 confirmed* measles cases reported in the United States.

This is the most since the 1990s before measles was declared eliminated in the US.

timothyu · Sep 3, 2025

public hermit said:
Haha, okay. Is it morally wrong to stop short of pursuing all the discernable evidence?

Yes and no. It depends on one's capabilities and of course whether or not it is worth pursuing if nothing will change, the deck being stacked against us as history shows. The world is a lie.

durangodawood · Sep 3, 2025

Aldebaran said:
That would be prohibitively expensive.
Let's see, 25 million AR15's (not counting AK47s, Mini 14s, MP5, or anything else with a hi-cap magazine) averaging around $1,000 each (and that's a very low estimate since they sell for $700--$3,000 and more). The cost would be 25 billion dollars to collect all those AR15s, and that's just the payouts and not the administrative costs which could be quite substantial if done nationwide.

Then the mass shooters start using AK47s......
"We gotta do something about all those AK47s!!!"

Im not gonna try to verify your numbers. But I will say, the cost is a real issue. And I wont push back on this part of your argument unless I learn differently.

essentialsaltes · Sep 3, 2025

Chris Wright can neither math nor physics.

Strong in Him · Sep 3, 2025

MarkRohfrietsch said:
I would rather not see other Christians eating and drinking judgement upon themselves,

Thank you for your concern, but we don't.

fhansen · Sep 3, 2025

Clare73 said:
Your mitigation of Ro 8:16.

Your meaning of "duplicitous" makes God duplicitous with Pharaoh.

Post #124. Do you think God didn't want His people to be freed?

God was not duplicitous with either Adam, or Pharaoh.

Always in His Presence · Sep 3, 2025

seeking.IAM said:
In my state private sales of firearms are unregulated. I can meet you in the parking lot of Walmart and sell you my AR-15 without a background check as long as you are also a citizen of my state. We could start by fixing that. Make every firearm sell go through a FFL and have a background check. It's worth noting my state also provides the pipeline of guns to Chicago.

What does that look like in real life - how do you tract and enforce it?

Always in His Presence · Sep 3, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
Immunization rates among Florida kindergartners have dropped significantly [through exemptions] over the last five years, according to the Florida Department of Health. In 2020, 93.5 percent of kindergarteners were vaccinated. In 2024, that number has dropped to 89.8 percent.

And the sickness rate? Has it stayed the same, lessened or grown?

durangodawood · Sep 3, 2025

Trump says this is a hoax. Victims say it isnt.

In a dispute over facts, Im not generally inclined to believe that proven liar.

seeking.IAM · Sep 3, 2025

In my state private sales of firearms are unregulated. I can meet you in the parking lot of Walmart and sell you my AR-15 without a background check as long as you are also a citizen of my state. We could start by fixing that. Make every firearm sale go through a FFL and have a background check. It's worth noting my state also provides the pipeline of guns to Chicago.

Cosmic Charlie · Sep 3, 2025

Michie said:
We’ve seen the demonic advance throughout our culture over the past decade and more.

On Wednesday morning, the students at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis were attending a Mass in the church next to the school when, suddenly, the stained-glass windows were shattered by a hail of gunfire.

The fusillade didn’t stop immediately. Witnesses said that between 50 and 100 bullets were pumped into the church, injuring at least 15 of the students badly enough to send them to the hospital and killing an 8-year-old and a 10-year-old.

The shooter, whose indiscriminate hosing-down of that place of worship was preceded by a very detailed video manifesto released a day earlier, then took his own life.

And the aftermath of this horror has become even more chaotic, if that’s possible, than was the horror itself.

We’ll want to keep the Minneapolis shooting in our focus, because the legacy corporate propaganda press will do everything they can to memory-hole this atrocity by the end of this week. How do we know this? Very simple.

The reason is VERY simple:

They'll be another mass shooting next week.

https://www.cnn.com/us/mass-shootings-fast-facts

There have been 292 mass shootings so far THIS YEAR.

....and this clown wants to make it about Trans people?

Most have been pasty faced white men with manifesto's and ties to right wing identity politics. But they don't count as a threat or anything. Ask the FBI, congress has made it illegal to track pasty faced white male shootings.

And....

....as a resident of the Twin Cities: Minneapolis, on a day-to-day basis, is doing just fine even with our Trans population, Muslim friends and Somali refugee immigrates.

Keep that in mind when the President decides to shove the Alabama (or some other rebel state) Nat Guard in our face.

Which, you know he's going to do.

(Also keep in mind, Minnesota Civil War volunteers has a reputation that needs to be upheld)

essentialsaltes · Sep 3, 2025

DeSantis to make Florida first state to end all vaccine mandates for schools

Florida surgeon general equates vaccine mandates to ‘slavery’ while announcing new policy push

Equating vaccine mandates with “slavery,” Joseph Ladapo, the state’s surgeon general who has a history of promoting health-related misinformation, said the Florida Department of Health and the governor’s office would work together to end every single vaccine mandate.

“Every last one of them is wrong and drips with disdain and slavery,” Ladapo said.

[Currently, school] vaccines are mandated to prevent life-threatening illnesses such as measles, mumps, and rubella, polio, tetanus, Hepatitis B, and many more.

“Who am I as a government or anyone else, or as a man standing here now, to tell you what you should put in your body?"

Well, you're supposed to be the state's top public health official.

Immunization rates among Florida kindergartners have dropped significantly [through exemptions] over the last five years, according to the Florida Department of Health. In 2020, 93.5 percent of kindergarteners were vaccinated. In 2024, that number has dropped to 89.8 percent.

rambot · Sep 3, 2025

Aldebaran said:
That's assuming that the "gun law" is what stopped those people.

If it stops someone from getting a gun, then it did exactly that right?

I've NEVER heard of a stat that says "gun laws stopped X number of people from getting guns".

Aldebaran said:
When it causes law-abiding citizens to become instant criminals by making their lawfully purchased items into contraband, it's punishing the law-abiding.

And if they are grandfathered in then you'd have NO problem with those same types of laws?

durangodawood · Sep 3, 2025

Aldebaran said:
Well, if not "instant", then they're made into a criminal after a grace period if they don't give up possessions (at a financial loss) they lawfully bought just to make other people feel better.

If I proposed a buy-back law it would include fair value.

Obviously Im only going to propose measures that I think make sense and are fair.

Right now Im not proposing any of that. Im just pushing back against bad arguments, which come thick and fast around this issue..

7thKeeper · Sep 3, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
tarifs are import taxes. They are paid by people and companies that import stuff. Consumers will pay by doing it themselves on direct imports, because the retailer that pays it passes on the cost, or because the US manufacturer that pay import taxes (tariffs) on the parts, materials, or equipment they need will raise their prices to cover their cost.

And yet, this is somehow lost or ignored by a lot of people.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Sep 3, 2025

A New Dawn said:
You are absolute correct. It wasn’t the riots of 2020, it was in 2014, in the aftermath of the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown riots that California changed the laws to increase the amount stolen from a place of business for petty theft (a misdemeanor) to $950/person or incident with grand theft (over $950) being a felony. And then refused to arrest or prosecute the individuals arrested.

Do you believe that because California raised the petty theft threshold to $950, making amounts over that a felony, the state is now weak on crime and supports riots and vandalism?

If this is your reasoning, are you aware of which states have the highest thresholds? In Texas and Wisconsin, the threshold for a petty offense to be classified as a felony is $2,500. Does this imply that these states tolerate riots and vandalism?

This website provides a complete list of states along with the theft amounts that constitute a felony. California is listed as number 39. The threshold for felony theft in California is lower than that of the federal government.

Felony Theft Amount by State 2025

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essentialsaltes · Sep 3, 2025

'We know their names': Epstein victims say they are making their own list

Marina Lacerda, who is speaking publicly for the first time about Epstein's abuse, is asked why she chose to speak today.

"It is not okay for us to be silenced," she says.

Lacerda says victims are "tired" of watching the news and seeing that the Epstein case being describe as a hoax.

"This is not a hoax, it's not going away," Lacerda says.

Away from this news conference, Donald Trump was just asked about the testimony of Epstein victims and the calls - including from within his own party - that more information be released.

Trump swiftly responded, characterising it as a "Democrat hoax" to shift attention away from his administration's perceived victories.

seeking.IAM · Sep 3, 2025

If we cannot guns, perhaps we could control ammunition. It worked for Barney Fife and for Sudafed.

JosephZ · Sep 3, 2025

Aldebaran said:
The $1500 AR someone bought and enjoys becomes the target of legislators, and now needs to turn it into the government for probably no more than $500 or go to jail for continuing to own it.

There can be a grandfather clause for guns that are already owned.

RocksInMyHead · Sep 3, 2025

Turns out Tom Clancy was actually a prophet!

MarkRohfrietsch · Sep 3, 2025

I would rather not see other Christians eating and drinking judgement upon themselves, but there is also the doctrine of "free will"... So, have at it people!

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