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Pray for our Orthodox brethren

Things that are overlooked, maybe.

The Russian Orthodox Church are not the ones invading Ukraine, Vladimir Putin and the secular government are.
The Ukrainian Orthodox Church are still Christian as is the Russian
Is this not a government, aka Zelensky, mandated schism? What business does a secular government have in dictating Church affairs?

To me, that is the bigger picture. I don’t care what the opinions are, a government has no right to suppress a Church
It happens regularly. We see it all over the globe and throughout history.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

No, I am not obtuse at all. But, it's like you care more about international drug traffickers than you care Americans.
What if they care about the rule of law more than anarchy?

You think this has something to do with keeping America safe but there is no proof that this action would have done that. AT BEST that argument is a logical extension...which means..it's a hope. An emotional reaction feom those who saw it.

But those actual events speaks to the PERPETRATOR and not the victim. Yet again Trump excusers continue to blame a victim because of thwir emotions.

Speeding your car is dangerous to America too. Perhaps he'll want to keep America safe by drone striking bad drivers too.

I care about the rule of law more than any nationality.

I wonder. I cant imagine a democrat president doing this...breaking international laws and committing crimes and such, but I wonder if these guys would react favorably had Biden done this. I really don't know.
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Pray for our Orthodox brethren

from your link above..

"The action comes a year after the Ukrainian Parliament passed a law banning the Moscow-based Russian Orthodox Church due to its strong support of the Russian invasion of Ukraine."

note - the Moscow-based Russian Orthodox church blessed Putin's invasion of Ukraine at the start of the war.

"The law also authorized banning any organization tied to the Russian church. A government investigation into the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, with its centuries-old ties to Moscow, soon followed."

"The UOC denounced the full-blown Russian invasion from the start in 2022. It declared its independence from the Moscow church the same year and reiterated that stance in 2025.

"Even so, the government says the UOC has refused to take necessary steps, such as revising its governing documents, to complete that separation."
Things that are overlooked, maybe.

The Russian Orthodox Church are not the ones invading Ukraine, Vladimir Putin and the secular government are.
The Ukrainian Orthodox Church are still Christian as is the Russian
Is this not a government, aka Zelensky, mandated schism? What business does a secular government have in dictating Church affairs?

To me, that is the bigger picture. I don’t care what the opinions are, a government has no right to suppress a Church
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What Is Your Music Doing For You? The #1 Sound Your Brain Desperately Wants to Hear

The word is frisson. It describes the effects of a shot of dopamine released into your brain that causes the skin to feel a rush and gives you a feeling of release, focus, well-being and clarity.

Lay Down Your Weary Tune, performed by Dylan, always does it for me. In another way, Men of Harlech will do it. And White Rabbit; Gracie Slick does it to me every time.
Yes 'White Rabbit' almost a cultural song of a generation. Even the tone of the music seems to match the psychedelic words and connotations. A lot of the music from this time was of this nature. For me it was Joni Mitchell - Woodstock, not CSNY. It captured the time and cultural worldview.
not CSNY. Ironically Joni did not attend Woodstock but seemed to capture the time brilliantly.

Dylan is unsurpassed as far as capturing a culture. I remember him saying in an interview how when he was writing those songs that it was like a gift from the universe and something special that he cannot do anymore. Like the words came to him anf flowed. Such as "It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)". Or maybe it was a little too much punch at a Mama Cass party up in Laurel Canyon who knows lol.

Pointed threats, they bluff with scorn
Suicide remarks are torn
From the fool's gold mouthpiece the hollow horn
Plays wasted words
Proves to warn that he not busy being born is busy dying
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I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

i think where you are going astray in your thinking is because you do not know the difference or rather the different roles between our soul and our spirit and that in truth they be not separate, but for the sake of being raised up to see as He sees we appear so in the hear and now ...
Both you and your buddy simply refuse to bring Satan and his messengers and the fact of their evil in all of us into the picture

It's typical of Satanic working

Nothing personal mind you
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I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

You said a couple of things worth discussing

You say we are captive and not collaborators, that is true as scripture says anyone that sins is a slave to sin.
Everyone still sins. None are sinless.
Romans 6 gets interesting some translations say when you were slaves to sin you were free from obligation to do good. That sounds like we would not be punished
Sins are not counted against people. Sins are and will remain counted against devils. Those who try to work their way through these subjects without the devil and his messengers on the table have voided views, actually blinded by those same.

No one can come to grips with this until they see and admit to the internal presence of the tempter. If they don't the door of understanding remains firmly locked.
, but it rather reflected our inability to be obligated to righteousness because of our slavery to sin.
It's never a one or the other arrangement

All people do both good and evil regardless of their claims to only good. And we do so courtesy of the enemies unseen
Jesus sets us free from this bondage if we wish it, or rather use our free will to choose Him.
Never happened ^
Free will is off the table as soon as we see evil is baked in to the equations and none avoid that conclusion. Romans 7:21 is an honest conclusion as is 2 Cor. 12:7, Gal. 4:14, 1 Tim. 1:15, 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15 all applied personally
When we give ourselves freely to Christ, we become slaves of righteousness. Our old man passes away and all things become new.
If these we questions or claims only of the person you'd have a point but that's never been the case
The devil or the adversaries are crafty, so they mix truth with lies in order to deceive.
No kidding
They say hey you can’t be saved by works(truth ), so don’t do them. If works cannot save you then it does not matter if you sin or do right, just believe and you will be fine. (Lie)
No one stops sinning and becomes sinless
This deception fools souls into thinking that they are “saved” while they remain slaves to sin. Scripture says God has prepared for us good works that we should walk in them

We lack ability to do good of our own, but God grants us free will to choose whom we will serve.
There us no choice available to eliminate the presence of evil i.e. the evil conscience, Heb 10:22, and this is courtesy of the tempter and his own, Romans 11:32, Eph. 2:2

What we should walk away with is at least honesty and dropping hypocrisy, thinking we're the better of our neighbors because we're not. We just see our condition and divide from it, knowing it's no longer I. Romans 7:17-20
When we are born again we are set free from our obligation to sin and our conscience becomes slave to righteousness.
Uh no. We achieve dominion over sin but that never means eradication
It does not matter the magnitude of our work, the smallest thing done gives glory to God, for He says if we are faithful in little, we will been given greater things to do, remember the woman with two pennies.
Whatever we do we do so with the presence of evil and sin. The classic light shining from darkness in allegorical terms
As we walk in good works, we learn from them, and learn of God. The basics are prayer, fasting and almsgiving. We do not do these things to boast, but to undergo training in righteousness
Our conscience is exercised by good and evil, never just one or the other
You will find, that the more you learn in good works, the more service you do, and the more joy you get from service. We do not seek honor, for what good is honor is those around us perish and their death causes grief in Our Lord?
Jesus said if we do all we are commanded to STILL term ourselves "unprofitable servants" Look it up. We are not even considered disciples unless we hate our own life Luke 14:26

With evil in the picture it's an easy place to get to
God gives us joy in service, or we can listen to Satan who says works can’t save you don’t do them, and persecute everyone that tries to encourage you to do them
Excusing Satan from these pictures is just a common evil work of same
Be not deceived. Jesus calls us to work, but His yoke is easy and His burden light
Doesn't apply to the adversary. No dodging, no joke
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Trump calls Epstein disclosures battle ‘a Democrat hoax’

Can you provide any sources that can verify that Trump ever visited the island? Because, last I check, although Trump said he had associated with Jeffery, there is no verified evidence that he actually visited his island.
Agreed. I'm supposing hypothetically that evidence of Trump visiting the island could be among the things in the Epstein Files that Trump does not wish to disclose. A motive for his flip-flop on this promise.
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