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Why is this forum so politically active?

It may be useful until one feels strong enough to be in the world without membership in a clique. Jesus promoted a way of life, not a religion.
Wrong. . .the Christian belief and way of life is a religion.
Religion was His foe if one recalls.
Man's religion was his foe, God's religion was not if one recalls.
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ICE Launches Operation Midway Blitz in Honor of Katie Abraham to Target Criminal Illegal Aliens Terrorizing Americans in Sanctuary Illinois

Whoever starts running when someone shouts "immigration!" is a likely suspect.
And yet the courts have explicitly stated that running away from police is not probable-cause.
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ICE Lodges Arrest Detainer on Criminal Illegal Alien Pedophile in Sanctuary State Massachusetts

And for each of them caught we turn on oprah-mode:

You get a thread.
And you get a thread.
Everybody (arrested) gets a thread.
Oh, and they will all get a thread. That is for sure.
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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

No, you just said that Orthodox Jews love too and that's somehow comparable to the supernatural gift of love given to believers. Uninformed opinion there.

I hope you understand that many of today's Christians disagree with you on the very topic at hand in this thread based on the word of God written only.
So only those in Christ are able to love their neighbor?

Lotta' folks, including Orthodox Jews, didn't get the memo.
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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

And yet the answer was BIblically refuted.
No, you just said that Orthodox Jews love too and that's somehow comparable to the supernatural gift of love given to believers. Uninformed opinion there. But the real, and sad, truth, is that people don't understand it that the love God gives, and our acting on that love, is what will grow in us unto eternal life. Love is the definition of the holiness that results in that life.
I'm sure you'll understand if today's Christians choose to take their doctrine from the word of God written only.
I hope you understand that many of today's Christians disagree with you on the very topic at hand in this thread based on the word of God written only.
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Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

Do you agree that Governor Newsom's policy / map is undemocratic?
Yes.
If so, what exactly are you defending?
1. I'm clarifying the difference between an undemocratic policy and an undemocratic action. You said "Newsom's actions are undemocratic," which is incorrect. The action that he is taking - proposing a change to the way that the state draws its election map and putting it to a statewide vote - is explicitly democratic. The proposal itself may not be democratic, but if the people want that, then they are entitled to get it. Who knows - they might vote "No."

2. I think your posts are ignoring the context here - namely that the only reason why Newsom made this proposal is that Texas did it first.
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How is it that the Catholic Church is evil?

Realize that the Catholic Church was thriving before one word of the New Testament was written. Based upon Sacred Tradition, and with the Holy Spirit guiding the Catholic Church, the Church, in a process that spanned centuries, chose the 73 books of the Bible. The canon was not finalized until the late 300s. So the Catholic Church indeed used and uses Sacred Tradition far more than any Protestant denominations,in fact many Protestant denominations adopted, or at least maintain they adopted, Bible-only denominations and say they reject all tradition. In fact they do follow some traditions that are not explicitly stated in the Bible, such as the understanding of the Holy Trinity.
I wrote, “As I have written before, I don’t think that the Catholic Church is evil, but I’m not convinced that it doesn’t have a larger portion of tradition mixed with Scripture than other denominations.” All religions have some traditions that influence their doctrines. I just think that the Roman Catholic Church has more than average.
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Another embarrassment - this time Trump is dead

The problem I have with the issue of Biden is the cover-up, or perhaps more accurately the obvious attempt to look the other way by the mainstream media. Biden's aides being quiet about it is something I don't like, but it's expected. The fact is, I expect the staff of any President to do their best trying to cover up that sort of thing. I'm sure there's stuff about Trump they're covering up.

But the press? The mainstream media by and large tried to ignore the issue; it was only the right-wing media that were pointing out the obvious questions about Biden. Why was the media so derelict in their duty to be asking serious questions about Biden's acuity? And why should people trust them now after this dereliction of duty?
Derail continues......
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

The same rules of engagement that killed General Qasem Soleimani.
I doubt it. They knew who they were killing when they assassinated the General. As of yet, we only know that they assumed the boat was full of drug traffickers.
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How is it that the Catholic Church is evil?

What historical documentation can you cite from those times, the late 300s and early 400s, supporting your accusation that the Catholic Church executed anyone who refused to submit to the pope?
The Edict of Thessalonica | History Today, "In 385 A.D. Priscillian, Bishop of Avila, would be the first Christian to face judicial execution by other Christians for his beliefs."
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ICE Launches Operation Midway Blitz in Honor of Katie Abraham to Target Criminal Illegal Aliens Terrorizing Americans in Sanctuary Illinois

And “I work for cash under the table” is stamped on their forehead? With Canada next door where most speak English, it seems like that isn’t an exactly reliable gauge.

It seems again the word they’re using is “illegals” but what they’re targeting is a skin color and nationality. So, sanctioned ethic and racial persecution. Very Germany circa 1930s.
All I am saying is that if you are sitting in a Home Depot parking lot looking for trabajar because you cannot speak English and you are looking to get paid in cash, there is a 99% chance you are in the country illegally. All you have demonstrated is that an illegal Canadian can go much farther because they can actually speak English, nothing more.
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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

That statement was already directly addressed, and the answer given should be incontrovertible for a Christian.
And yet the answer was BIblically refuted.
That's pure speculation/guess-work,
I'm sure you'll understand if today's Christians choose to take their doctrine from the word of God written only.

We won't go into the feckless history of tradition and require you to defend it in that regard.
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The Criminal Records of the illegal immigrants arrested in LA

Police officers deal with this worry all the time. Why can't ICE agents?
THESE are the two policing bodies (those individuals arresting people) that should be compared for the work they do.
No police don't. They don't have leftist radicals following them around, filming them for the purpose of doxing them so they and their families can be harassed and threatened. If this kind of stuff was happening to police officers you can bet there would be some serious repercussions and we would probably see face covered cops.
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Are we spiritual beings or just spiritually minded and/or spiritually filled?

Gentiles are called to be Christ's BODY.
Which is living in the ways of His commandments to be living examples in bodily form . True priests showing the way, a way of life, in both senses.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Fantastic news. Several more swines in the ground.

Israel and America must cut off Hamas from its current sources of funding for luxury and terror. Hamas runs the Gaza Strip and its terror operations with an estimated annual budget of $2.5 billion. The best way for Israel to destroy Hamas is attacking its financial sources.

It is well known that Hamas has several sources of funding, including a number of international donors. The Islamic Republic provides Gaza with equipment and know-how, including training. It also sends Hamas an estimated $100-$150 million a year. According to its own statements, Iran has given Hamas billions of dollars and paid for ‘every single weapon’. The terrorist group also obtains funds from Qatar through indirect channels, even though the emirate insists that it only pays the salaries of administrative officials in the Gaza Strip. Foreign support groups such as the German Samidoun, which has only now been banned, also transfer terrorist aid to the Middle East disguised as donations.

The terrorist group invests part of the Iranian, Qatari and private donations in economic sectors that generate profits. The US Treasury Department refers to a ‘global investment portfolio’ worth more than US$500 million, generating for the terrorist organization annual profits of tens of millions of dollars, which were used for its terrorist activity.

In August 2021, the newspaper Die Welt, owned by the German media group Axel Springer Verlag, reported for the first time on secret documents detailing Hamas' network of companies and investment income. The portfolio comprised around 40 companies. They were based in Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates and were mainly active in the construction sector. In early 2018, Hamas stated in its own documents that the book value of the portfolio was 338 million US dollars. When it became public, the figures were said to have already exceeded half a billion dollars.

The sleek new building at Istanbul Commerce University offers stunning views of the Bosphorus. The almost 40,000-square-meter (430,000-square-foot) structure boasts advanced safety systems, its dark glass windows giving it a modern facade. The company that built it, Trend GYO, trades on Istanbul's stock market, but its official documents don't reveal its big secret, which is actually a well-known secret: it is owned by Hamas.

In Oct 2023, the US government added Amer Kamal Sharif Alshawa to its list of terrorist financiers, thereby personally targeting the managing director of Trend GYO, that was also listed in the secret documents. According to the official statement, the 59-year-old Jordanian is part of Hamas' investment network in Turkey and Algeria and sits on the executive and supervisory boards of several terrorist companies.

Since it is ruled by a hostile organization, Israel also assesses that a considerable part of the PA's payments to Gaza will be used to finance Hamas' military wing. According to the best estimates, the amount handed over by the PA is between $1 billion to $1.2 billion a year.

UNRWA's annual budget is $1.5 billion, and $325 million was earmarked for Gaza in 2023. Those funds are provided by numerous states and entities, headed by the European Union (20.4 percent on average in 2017-2023), the United States (12.3 percent), Sweden (9.4 percent), Japan (9.2 percent) and Germany (8.6 percent). Even assuming that all of this money is solely for the refugees' benefit and not one cent goes toward terror activity, these sums can be seen as part of the Gazan budget, because without them Hamas, as sovereign, would be expected to provide them.

How does overseas money reach Hamas? The short answer is through money-exchange networks worldwide and, of course, cryptocurrency. Currency exchanges normally work with banks, but the global banking system does not operate in the Gaza Strip. How do Hamas' money changers get around that? The answer is hawala, an ancient system where money exchangers do not transfer money to each other, but instead calculate and offset continuously. According to intelligence sources, there are at least three Turkish banks that do business with Hamas currency exchangers: Turk Kuveyt, a Kuwaiti owned bank operating from Turkey; QNB Finansbank, a Turkish bank owned by Qatar; and the Turkish state-owned Halkbank.
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WE ARE AT WAR! Trump approves military action against Latin American cartels classified as terrorist organizations.

Keep reading the thread for more alternate versions.

Keep reading the thread for more alternate versions.

Go ahead. Show me the error of my ways. Show me exactly where the autopsy report suggest Floyd would have survived if not for the cop. I will wait.
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Donald Trump ordered to pay E. Jean Carroll $83.3 million, will appeal verdict

Trump sued CBS News and its parent company, Paramount Global, for allegedly deceptively editing a “60 Minutes” interview with then–Vice President Kamala Harris, which he claimed amounted to election interference.

• Outcome: The case led to a settlement exceeding $16 million, marking a major win for Trump and sparking debate over media ethics and editorial practices.
Yes, it was a ridiculous, meritless claim. Had it gone to court it would have been thrown out. But with the administration controlling mergers, they didn't want to chance messing that up, so they settled. The merger went through last month, so that gamble paid off.

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The Criminal Records of the illegal immigrants arrested in LA

Well, some people label ICE as a legally behaving police force....
Well...because they are. Say it ain't so that you are suggesting that law enforcement should be vilified to protect criminals? Do you not see how these statements perpetuate the message that the DNC is the party defending criminals, rapists, drug dealers, and thugs over law abiding citizens? Not saying you personally intend on doing so, but do you at least have the self awareness to see why the majority of the country believe it so?
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Correct. But do you know how much the boat was carrying? Do you know that it was carrying any narcotics at all?

No. You don't. And you probably never will.
Well, you need to be honest with yourself. You dont know either.

Maybe it was carrying a load of rocks so valuable it has to be carried inside11 men's heads
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