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Oompa Loompa · Sep 11, 2025

durangodawood said:
American children are shot to death quite regularly in school or even church.... But now a line has been crossed.

Black children are shot to death quite regularly in schools by other black children.

RandyPNW · Sep 11, 2025

Douggg said:
Randy, the time of the end little horn person in Daniel 8 will stand up against the Princes of princes.

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

The Prince of princes is Jesus. The little horn in his beast king stage will attempt to make war on Jesus at the end of the 7 years when Jesus returns.

Antiochus IV does not fit Daniel 8:25.

I understand you think that Antiochus 4 does not fit Dan 8.25. But from my pov it easily fits. Not only does it fit, but it seems a required interpretation.

Dan 8.25 simply states that Antiochus 4 (in my view) opposes God, who is the "Prince of Princes." Specifically, I think it is a reference to God's Word, who later would come to be revealed as Jesus. The terms presents God as if He was above all princes in the time of Antiochus 4.

I've already shown you why I think Dan 8 is about the Greek Kingdom. I don't think there can be any question about that. Relying on the term "Prince of Princes" may seem relevant to you. But to me, it is not. It may theorized, but it simply doesn't fit in view of the direct identification with the Greek Kingdom.

Dan 8.19 He said: “I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end. 20 The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. 21 The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king. 22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.
23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise.

Please note that "in the time of wrath" is connected with the destruction of this "master of intrigue," which is evidently associated with Antiochus 4. This happens in the "latter part of their reign," ie in the last days of the 4 kingdoms emerging from Greece, prior to the rise of Rome, the final Kingdom.

Carl Emerson · Sep 11, 2025

The Liturgist said:
collectively they were infallible

He inspired them to write infallable scripture, but they were imperfect - as Jesus said
Mark 10:18
“Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

Carl Emerson · Sep 11, 2025

The Liturgist said:
This is true, but do not forget - God is infinitely loving - God’s wrath is not a mood he gets into, for Scripture assures us of the principle of Divine Immutability - God, being eternal, does not change and is not mercurial. This is said even of Jesus Christ, our Lord God and Savior, who is like His Father and the Holy Spirit in all respects except relationally and in terms of his having become incarnate as a man, where we are assured that He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

What this means, according to the early church Fathers, but really only the Eastern churches (Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrian Church of the East and the Ancient Church of the East) teach this in a consistent way, is that the wrath of God is the experience of the consuming fire of God’s love by someone who is opposed to God and hates God and refuses His uncreated grace. That is why the Orthodox Church focuses on preaching the Gospel in a way that promotes repentance and alignment with God, so that we are not burned by the fire of God’s love but rather like the Burning Bush are undamaged by proximity to His presence.

Indeed the Fathers insist that since He is infinitely merciful, the Outer Darkness is a final mercy for those who refuse Him - since being in the luminous presence of God in the New Jerusalem would be an unbearable torment to these people. St. John Chrysostom pointed out that the worst possible punishment would be the realization of what one had excluded oneself from (the bliss of the life of the world to come) through sin.

That is why the church must stress the need for people to repent in this life, lest they are, for their own good, eternally excluded from the life of the world to come and instead wallow in suffering in undying darkness, eaten by the undying worms of the memory of their own sin, consumed by malice and regret and resentment and hatred for God. Because the reality of Hell is far more terrible than the caricature of demons with pitchforks (indeed so too is the reality of demons, who are around us constantly; pneumatic beings, ruled by the Prince of Power of the Air, actively plotting new ways of bringing about our downfall every second of the day.

God have mercy, in the name of Thine only begotten Son Jesus Christ, send down Thy Holy Spirit upon us, and under his direction, conduct all of Thy heavenly host in defense of us against the Evil One, and forgive us our own sins, which are equally repulsive to Thee, but grant us instead through Thy infinite grace a spirit of repentance, love, chastity, obedience, mercy, reverence and charity.

Yes, He is infinitely loving, and the fear of Him is a friend that seals our salvation. Jer 32:40.

7thKeeper · Sep 11, 2025

rjs330 said:
I dont know if tgey are inherently violent or not. But you do have about 5% of the population committing 50% of the violent crime.

It doesn't help your case when you start pulling numbers out of thin air.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
He has a serious mental disorder and he has been violent in the past and brandished a weapon...yes lets release him...

What does the law say? I highly doubt the court has the power force people into care just willy nilly. I don't remember from this thread if the call was a felony or a misdemeanor case, but I doubt the court has the power to do that unless there was violance in THIS case. They can't convict or do something solely based on previous cases, it has to be relevant to what's in front of them at the moment.

Oompa Loompa · Sep 11, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
People have lost their minds.

Conservatives have been saying that for years.

Douggg · Sep 10, 2025

RandyPNW said:
If you want to limit all biblical prophecy to eschatology then I suppose you don't want any discussion as to whether your interpretations *belong* in the eschatology forum? Go ahead and apply Jesus' 1st Coming to the 2nd Coming, and forbid anybody from questioning that "because it's the eschatology forum." Is that where you want to hide?

I'm very much interested in the eschatology of the Bible. But I need freedom to explain what prophecies belong to eschatology and what don't. Otherwise, only you get to decide what is acceptable as "eschatology" and what isn't.

I could easily say, for that matter, that use of your version of Dan 8 does *not* belong in an eschatology forum. Do you really want to go there?

Randy, the time of the end little horn person in Daniel 8 will stand up against the Princes of princes.

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

The Prince of princes is Jesus. The little horn in his beast king stage will attempt to make war on Jesus at the end of the 7 years when Jesus returns.

Antiochus IV does not fit Daniel 8:25.

Oompa Loompa · Sep 10, 2025

Valletta said:
BREAKING: Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

MSNBC fired far-left political commentator Matthew Dowd on Wednesday evening for his vile comments about Charlie Kirk.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

MSNBC did the right thing here, this is a good sign. Conservatives have been urging people to pull back on the hatred and violent rhetoric.

Is this what "Democracy" looks like?

Marilyn C · Sep 10, 2025

Dan Perez said:
AND I left my bible at work and in. Isa 2:4.

# 1 And HE SHALL JUDGE // SAPAL. is a verb in. the QAL , in. the PERECT TENSE , in. the Singular

# 2 AMONG //. BAYIN , is. a Proposition

# 3. THE NATIONS //. GOLY. , IS. A DEFINITE ARTICLE. , in. the Plural in. at the ABSOLUTE

# 4 AND SHALL REBUKE. //. YAKAH. , is. a vet in. the HIPHIL. , in. terms of PERFECT TENSE , in the Singular

# 5. MANY. // RAB , is a PLURAL in. the ABSOLUTE

# 6. PEOPLE // AM. , is a PERPOSITION. , in. the PLURAL. is an. ABSOLUTE

Maybe will say more as I have work to. do and will answer more later tonight or tomorrow.

dan p

Good scripture there for the millennium. Compare Micah 4: 1 - 3.

No hurry, I enjoy a good discussion with someone who knows a lot of truth and is honest in their replies.

rjs330 · Sep 10, 2025

durangodawood said:
It's what I've observed. That's why it's a post.

Although, I wouldn't be too surprised if you're correct and after a few news cycles people move on as if it was just another day in America.

What line are you talking about? You need to clarify what you meant with that remark. Whats different now?

Marilyn C · Sep 10, 2025

CerebralCherub said:
Yes, He knows. We don't. The Father knows. We don't.

No amount of calendars or human evidence, human reasoning or deduction, will change what Jesus said very definitively.

You can't and won't know.

Only the Father knows.

To claim otherwise is to claim that you know more than Jesus Christ and are equal in knowledge to the Father. You are not. I am not. We are not.

Please pray on this with me because I believe we have normalized talking about the second coming, as though we have the authority and knowledge which is the Father's alone, which is in grievous error.

Remember, Adam and Eve thought they knew better. Cain thought he knew better. Satan thought he knew better.

There is no good outcome in thinking we are smarter than the Father.

Hi CC,

I hear your concern, however I believe the Head of the Body does give indication as to when He will come for us.

`...exhorting (warning & encouraging) one another, and so much the more AS YOU SEE the Day approaching.` (Heb. 10: 25)

rjs330 · Sep 10, 2025

Chesterton said:
MSNBC OUTDOES ITSELF!

In some truly Pulitzer Prize deserving reporting, we learn that:

1. the shooter may have been a Kirk supporter firing off a gun in happy celebration of Kirk being there;

2. Trump may use this assassination as justification for sending troops into Orem, Utah as he did in D.C.; and

3. if you have awful thoughts and express them with awful words you should expect awful actions.

Truly despicable people.

rjs330 · Sep 10, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
...not to mention.

As much as this has to scare other conservative political activists, progressive political activists will likely being reigning in their appearances and presentations as well due to fear of retaliation attacks.

So whoever this assassin was, they did a disservice to their own tribe as well.

Not as far as Ive seen. They may grab some extra security, but Ive heard a few who are standing up and saying they are not going to give in and will actually be more involved with public appearances and not less.

I do fear retaliation, but im not sure who on the left someone might decide to go after. The left really doeant have anyone like Kirk that I know of.

Chesterton · Sep 10, 2025

Tropical Wilds said:
I am aware. They have a website they share their content on, so what’s the name of the article? Or is that just a link to a site run by whomever for an editorial critiquing something on MSNBC?

Another CF member just made a thread in this forum about MSNBC firing Matthew Dowd for the comments he made in the video I posted. I would link to it, but you'd have to click on the link. Maybe you can scroll around and find it.

rambot · Sep 10, 2025

Aldebaran said:
Judges can adjudicate someone as mentally ill and sentence them to time in a mental health facility. Whenever a person is said to be "incompetent to stand trial", they just get sent to a mental health facility.

I would assume these facilities are govt run etc?

rjs330 · Sep 10, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
What gets me is just how sensless this was. Yeah he was an agitator who absolutely contributed to this toxic environment we're in but also no, he doesn't deserve to be a victim of this toxic environment we are in. No one does. I feel for everyone that witnessed this. The video of it is sickening. I feel for his family and friends who don't just see him through a phone screen like I do. I feel for Charlie. He did not deserve this.

Charlie did NOT contribute to the toxicity. He was a counter to it. All you had to do is watch him discuss things with students and you saw how he brought clarity and truth to the conversations.

Charlie died because of the toxicity of people who would vilify this man and inflame the hatred for him and the things he stood for. We have seen the toxicity first hand and it was written all over the bullet that killed him. And we've seen it in this thread.

Zaha Torte · Sep 10, 2025

Valletta said:
BREAKING: Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

MSNBC fired far-left political commentator Matthew Dowd on Wednesday evening for his vile comments about Charlie Kirk.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

MSNBC did the right thing here, this is a good sign. Conservatives have been urging people to pull back on the hatred and violent rhetoric.

They will just replace him with another NPC.

7thKeeper · Sep 10, 2025

Aryeh Jay said:
Send her to El Salvador!

Off with her head!

Lukaris · Sep 10, 2025

People saddened over the death of Charlie Kirk are not indifferent to other tragedies. When John Lennon was shot to death, the outpouring of grief was much larger of course. It doesn’t mean that people were indifferent to other homicides back then.

These are famous individuals who inspired and motivated people, who agreed with them, with constructive, non violent outlooks. At least the non violent aspect should be commonly understood even if opinions disagreed otherwise.

Semper-Fi · Sep 10, 2025

CerebralCherub said:
Admittedly, I haven't read the whole thread but I am distracted by the requiring of sacrifices. You have quoted strictly old testament law and we know that Jesus fulfilled the law and was the ultimate sacrifice.

So, how have you come to the conclusion that sacrifices will be resumed without referring to the old testament?

The physical sacrifices have ceased. Christ’s sacrifice removes our sins,
if we repent. The Levitical priesthood was removed and replaced by
the Melchizedek priesthood.

God uses physical sacrifices in prophecy about His Church, it applies spiritually.
Isaiah 56 and other end time books uses physical sacrifices to prophesy about
an end-time spiritual condition. Ezekiel’s temple is called a house of prayer.

“For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my
name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall
be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great
among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts” (Malachi 1:11).

Incense is a type of our prayers (Revelation 8:3-4). Here God is saying
prayers should be offered to God in every place—all over the world.

"By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually,
that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name." Hebrews 13:15

"And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving,
And declare his works with rejoicing." Psalm 107:22

You are a spiritual sacrifice for God today—(Romans 12:1).
He is deeply concerned about you as a sacrifice and what you give Him.

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