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Say it aint so · Wednesday at 12:49 PM

HARK! said:
Too few to deport the millions, in a reasonable amount of time, that the Biden Administration allowed to violate our laws.

We need to ramp it up IMO.

how many people are here illegally and how long have they been here?

Richard T · Wednesday at 12:47 PM

matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God”

I know you are not to take any verse alone, but how exactly should we take such a verse?

Hentenza · Wednesday at 12:45 PM

AV1611VET said:
That's a wile of the devil, so as to keep the Bible out of history class.

I took Bible as Literature in college.

RocksInMyHead · Wednesday at 12:44 PM

Vambram said:
Debanking people who disagree with the government is NOT legal.

Debanking people because they disagree with the government is (probably) illegal. That's not the same thing as what you said though.

ViaCrucis · Wednesday at 12:44 PM

RileyG said:
How similar are these two Churches?

(I know there are multiple Baptist and Pentecostal denominations)

Both of them believe in adult Baptism, have similar theology (from my understanding), and have many Churches in the Southern United States.

Is there worship style similar?

What are the major differences?

Blessings!

The Baptist tradition originated in England as a Non-Conformist group started by John Smythe in the early 17th century. Smythe taught against infant baptism and had himself re-baptized (he baptized himself). Smythe also believed in rejecting the establishmentarianism of the Church, and that the Church should be a local congregation of free association bounded by covenant. Like other non-Conformists, the Baptists were persecuted in Britain, and would seek refuge in the Americas. The original Baptists, like Smythe, were of a Puritan variety; but they were not welcome in the Puritan colony of Massachusetts. This led a prominent American Baptist, Roger Williams to leave Massachusetts and establish Rhode Island with the promise of religious freedom (the Baptists rejected the idea of a state church or the government telling people what to believe and believed that religious liberty was a guaranteed right of all people, and being a Christian was a matter of free association).

After the American Revolution and the introduction of the US Constitution which promised religious liberty to all, Baptists were a group that grew and began to thrive in the new nation. However, because the Baptist tradition rejected all forms of church hierarchy and believed only in the local church/congregation, there was an explosion of different kinds of Baptists. What defined a Baptist was certain "Baptist distinctives", not a hierarchal ecclesiastical structure, not even necessary shared doctrine (outside of the certain Baptist distinctives, such as a rejection of infant baptism and belief in believer's baptism). As such while the earliest Baptists with their Puritan heritage were usually Reformed in their theology, later Baptists would adopt an Arminian theology, thus "Reformed Baptists" and "Free Will Baptists". Various issues, theological and practical, would create different groupings of Baptist churches.

Because of this, the Baptist tradition has a great deal of diversity, even within associations and conventions (the closest thing Baptists have, historically, to a larger ecclesiastical structure) there is a diversity from congregation to congregation. This has actually led to modern controversies, for exampling, within the Southern Baptist Convention as the leadership of the SBC has attempted to do some top-down measures to reign in congregations; with congregations in turn having dissociated with the SBC. This was one of the major reasons why Jimmy Carter, a life-long Southern Baptist, eventually left the SBC because he believed the SBC had betrayed its foundational Baptist principles. I only bring this up because it is relevant to the historic Baptist tradition, which historically does not care for top-down ecclesiastical structure--emphasizing the total and free autonomy of the local congregation.

Pentecostalism, on the other hand, is usually said to have its origins in the 1906 Azusa Street Revivals. This is, probably, mostly true--but it's more complicated than that. Pentecostalism has its earlier origins in the Wesleyan-Holiness tradition that emerged in the 19th century, the same tradition that gave rise to the Church of the Nazarene (as an example). And even before 1906 there are examples of Pentecostal-like things happening among these earlier Holiness Churches. However Azusa Street was a major and pivotal moment, and it ultimately led to the formation of distinctively "Pentecostal" churches, such as Assemblies of God. Now, given the historic roots of the Pentecostal tradition, there are some superficial similarities between it and the Baptists; for example a rejection of infant baptism stems from the earlier Holiness Movement having diverse views on the subject (even today the Church of the Nazarene believers baptism or infant baptism depends on personal conscience and the sentiments of the congregation). A case can probably be made that the rejection of infant baptism in the Pentecostal tradition has to do with some influence of credobaptists in the early formation of the movement; as there were many credobaptists who joined (most notably, Baptists themselves). And given Pentecostalism's strong emphasis on a personal encounter with the Holy Spirit, then it stands to reason that those who may have come from paedobaptist traditions (or those which practiced both) wouldn't have had much issue with adopting a credobaptist position if the emphasis was on personal repentance, the choice to be baptized, and then to receive baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues (the latter being one of the chief distinctive doctrines of the Pentecostal tradition).

Which is to say the Baptist and Pentecostal traditions have very different histories, but there are certain superficial and similar things going on due to either some level of direct or indirect influence (Baptist influence on Pentecostalism, and in modern times also Pentecostal influence on Baptists). Both traditions emphasize a personal and individual participation in Christian religion and thus less stress is placed on historic liturgical practice, giving rise to less structured and loose services designed to fit the specific needs each tradition views as important for their communities (also, no doubt, both having been influenced by the Second Great Awakening in this regard).

Some Baptist churches have been influenced by the Pentecostal tradition, as such there are Charismatic Baptists.

But there are distinctive practices and doctrines which define each tradition. Baptists have their Baptist Distinctives, and Pentecostalism's chief distinctive theological position is baptism with the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues.

-CryptoLutheran

Always in His Presence · Wednesday at 12:43 PM

DaisyDay said:
He is not only not working on a cure for cancer, he is actively working against cures for cancer by clawing back grants and funding while at the same time crippling the EPA from protecting clean air and water.

LOL - over reaction number two

Hentenza · Wednesday at 12:43 PM

BCP1928 said:
All Christians believe that. Nothing in that passage requires us to accept that the creation stories in Genesis are literal accurate history, only that God inspired them.

Yep. YEC’s are a minority. In addition there all manners of literary mechanism used in scripture such as poetic language. However, reading the Bible should not be any different from how you read any other non fiction book. For example, when reading non fiction the assumption is literal unless it is obviously non literal.

Vambram · Wednesday at 12:43 PM

BeckyJ said:
The US isn't the only country with immigration laws.
Some other countries that have immigration laws are: United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Germany, Norway, Hungary, Japan and France.
Some countries immigration laws are more strict than in the US and some are less strict. Either way, there are entrance laws in various countries.
If I go into one of these countries illegally, I can expect to be deported. So I have no problem that the US is deporting illegal entrants.
I have several friends who came to the US the legal way. None of them support the illegal entry the Biden administration allowed and yes, some are democrat.
If you come here legally, you're welcome here
Note: Even God has an entrance requirement. No one will be able to get into Heaven without meeting that requirement.

Are you ok with millions of illegal entrants the Biden administration let in during his 4 yr term...or should they be deported?

The millions of illegal immigrants should be deported.

Richard T · Wednesday at 12:42 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Noem says entire southern border

essentialsaltes said:

Noem says entire southern border wall will be painted black to stop climbing
Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said Tuesday that the entire wall along the U.S.-Mexico border is going to be painted black to make it hotter and deter illegal immigration — an idea she said was "specifically at the request" of President Trump.

"That is specifically at the request of the president, who understands that in the hot temperatures down here when something is painted black it gets even warmer and it will make it even harder for people to climb. So we are going to be painting the entire southern border wall black to make sure that we encourage individuals to not come into our country illegally," Noem said.

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wall will be painted black to stop climbing
Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said Tuesday that the entire wall along the U.S.-Mexico border is going to be painted black to make it hotter and deter illegal immigration — an idea she said was "specifically at the request" of President Trump.

"That is specifically at the request of the president, who understands that in the hot temperatures down here when something is painted black it gets even warmer and it will make it even harder for people to climb. So we are going to be painting the entire southern border wall black to make sure that we encourage individuals to not come into our country illegally," Noem said.

Cost of painting from a web search is listed at 1 to 3 dollars a square foot. The minimum height is around 18 feet high, (some sections are far higher, depending on the location) So, the 18 dollars a linear foot at a minimum would be $84,480 per mile (18 *5280). There is 2000 miles so the minimum cost would be $168,960,000 the maximum at 3 dollars a square foot would be about half a billion.
AI says that black paint will create 12-18 degrees of more surface heat from a cooler color. I am not certain but it seems like the color is somewhat dark already. From AI "A metal fence at 100°F (37.8°C) is likely to be warm to the touch but not dangerously hot. While it's not hot enough to cause severe burns, it could be uncomfortable to handle for extended periods." So it seems doubtful that adding the black paint would be much of a deterrent. Most would use a ladder and/or gloves anyway.

I can't find exactly the type of paint and process that is used in the current fence. One would assume that it is painted well, with a rust proofing underlayment, though it might be some kinde of infused process. I might conclude that painting an extra layer of black will cause the wall to last longer as the article suggests. This could be the case. However, given that the weak spot in the metal is likely to be below the surface in the ground, this would only apply to new fence that is painted in it's entirely. The existing wall would fail at or below the surface most likely over time.
It is not likely that a roller brush would be used in anything but the photo opp with Noem. Given the ridges and gaps a sprayer would be used.
So is this decision a good one? I personally think no based on my assumptions. I would assume the US border wall will be upgraded in thirty years or less with higher tech stuff and the money spent here is going to be financed by debt that requires interest to to paid out.

Vambram · Wednesday at 12:42 PM

Say it aint so said:
Biden was not letting people come in illegally. Did he open the asylum process allowing groups like Haitians, Ukrainians, Cubans, and Venezuelans in LEGALLY? yes. Trump did the same thing with (whites only) South Afrikaners. Too many people confuse border encounters, which is an event, as meaning the number of people let in illegally. They are two differing things. Jesus was a displaced immigrant.

There's far too much incorrect information in that post.

Vambram · Wednesday at 12:40 PM

Say it aint so said:
The "facts" of the article are claims made by those in a GOP house hearing. The reality is yes, Obama et al were regulating banking actions given, not political opponents, but fraud.

Nope. You are incorrect.

Vambram · Wednesday at 12:40 PM

Pommer said:
Like…trying to regulate the sector that, (at the time), broke the economy five years previous?
Please have some sense In your partisan wranglings.

Debanking people who disagree with the government is NOT legal. Please have some sense in your responses.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Wednesday at 12:38 PM

HARK! said:
They have that pathway.

By trying to bypass that path by, breaking in illegally, they put that path in jeopardy.

Are you suggesting that those who have continued to break the law over a long period of time should get special treatment over newbie law breakers?

Do you mean enforcing the laws on the books?

What is the long term solution?

For instance, if President Trump were to deport all 15 million undocumented immigrants by January 2029, what would be the subsequent steps?

The next president and Congress may choose not to continue President Trump’s policies and instead implement those of President Biden. Is the nation destined to reverse course every four years, with each administration enacting contrasting immigration policies—such as Democrats favoring more open borders and Republicans focusing on deportation and border security? What permanent, long-term solution can be established to ensure consistent and effective border management regardless of changes in administration?

Douggg · Wednesday at 12:37 PM

Fisherking said:
It is obvious Paul is telling them to stop trying to Be Jew Like, you can only come unto God by faith, not by keeping the Laws of Moses and in that one issue of Salvation we are all the same, bit Gentiles are not Israel, and Jews are not Gentiles, just like even though Women and Men have one way unto Christ (Faith we still have Women & Men.

Faith in what Jesus did on the cross for atonement of our sins.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 12:36 PM

Hentenza said:
“All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness;”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness

bible.com

Just saying.

All Christians believe that. Nothing in that passage requires us to accept that the creation stories in Genesis are literal accurate history, only that God inspired them.

HARK! · Wednesday at 12:35 PM

Say it aint so said:
we have a 3,000 per day quota

Too few to deport the millions, in a reasonable amount of time, that the Biden Administration allowed to violate our laws.

We need to ramp it up IMO.

timewerx · Wednesday at 12:33 PM

prudent_commenter said:
You also mustn't be drunk with anything.

I don't drink wine, nor any fermented drink/food.

There's nothing in the Bible we shouldn't eat nor drink sugar. Fruits have sugar.

And I do need sugar in my drinks. It's something about "osmotic balance" or w/e. It's genetic. It doesn't seem to be a defect because my body's unique hydration management also allows me to thrive in dehydration levels that would be fatal to other people.

Wolseley · Wednesday at 12:25 PM

Cosmic Charlie said:
Hey, Wols:

Found this on your profile pic-

From By the shores of Gitchee-Goomee

Are you an UP-er ?, Northwest Wisconsinite ? North Shore of Minnesota ? Canuck ?

I live in the west-central part of the Lower Peninsula, about 18 miles east of the Lake Michigan beach. I'm in the "transition zone", where large farms fade off and are replaced by large orchards, and eventually, woods, the further north you go. My township only has a total population of about 3,000 souls---the rest is taken up by Federal land consisting of the Manistee National Forest, Michigan state land, and unclassified boondocks.

"Gitchee-Goomee" usually refers to Lake Superior, but it can easily be applied to Lakes Michigan, Huron, Erie, or Ontario. "Meeshee-gama", after all, is simply the Ojibwa word for "big water". ("Meeshee-zeebee", BTW, is Ojibwa for "big river", which is how the river and the state down south got their name.

)

Cosmic Charlie said:
(it's a big lake)

It is. They're all big lakes, to be honest.

Cosmic Charlie said:
Just wonderin' if you're from my neck of the woods.

Me ?
I live where the Northern breeze blows free in the trees and the sky blue waters shine.

"Sky blue waters" as in Hamm's, the beer refreshing?

That would be St. Paul, Minnesota, which is a ways from Gitchee-Goomee---but is right smack-dab in the middle of Minnesota's 11,842 lakes.

I am old enough to remember TV commercials featuring this guy---and the jingle. "From the land of sky blue waters", LOL.

HARK! · Wednesday at 12:19 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
I’m not in favor of illegal immigration. That said, people who’ve been living and working here for at least a decade without a criminal record should be given a pathway to citizenship.

They have that pathway.

By trying to bypass that path by, breaking in illegally, they put that path in jeopardy.

Are you suggesting that those who have continued to break the law over a long period of time should get special treatment over newbie law breakers?

GoldenBoy89 said:
None of this however, justifies this current administration’s cruel, inhumane and deplorable approach to immigration enforcement.

Do you mean enforcing the laws on the books?

Say it aint so · Wednesday at 12:18 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
I’m not in favor of illegal immigration. That said, people who’ve been living and working here for at least a decade without a criminal record should be given a pathway to citizenship.

None of this however, justifies this current administration’s cruel, inhumane and deplorable approach to immigration enforcement.

Whether it be marriage to an American, or just going through the long process of becoming an American, those people doing the right thing the right way are still be deported because, "ah ha, yes you're going through the process but you're not a citizen yet" and we have a 3,000 per day quota.

Belk · Wednesday at 12:17 PM

Valletta said:
Joe Biden threw open the border to rig the census — and elections for Democrats

Platte · Wednesday at 12:17 PM

The Barbarian said:
If that was the case He would have said so. In that case He would have said the world was flooded, not just "land." There's no way to parse one's way out of accepting that God did not say the world was flooded.

Indeed. This is the kind of thing that we often see from KJV-only people. Neglecting what the words actually mean in Hebrew leads one astray.

I gave you the context...now take the words - but always understand context first. Always context first (since thats most important) - then the words.

The entire land was flooded...every living creature that was on the land died. Noah brought 2 of each for a reason.

Don't be crabby - be smart.

essentialsaltes · Wednesday at 12:17 PM

comana said:
So much for DOGE and cutting spending.

Every government has priorities. Like gratuitous (but expensive) cruelty.

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Are you an UP-er ?, Northwest Wisconsinite ? North Shore of Minnesota ? Canuck ?

(it's a big lake)

Just wonderin' if you're from my neck of the woods.

Me ?

I live where the Northern breeze blows free in the trees and the sky blue waters shine.

Joe Biden threw open the border to rig the census — and elections for Democrats