Benaiah468 said:

More than 100 aid organizations accuse Israel of blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza. Israel's military coordination COGAT firmly rejects this...

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If more than 100 people in your neighborhood claimed that one of your neighbors was a thief and identified the house where this person lived, and you went to that house to ask the occupant if they were a thief and they replied with "no," would you take their word for it?

Ophiolite said:

Surely that is premature . . . . . . until you have determined the gender of the rabbit?

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I'd say that is just splitting hares.

The Liturgist said:

Again, what book are you quoting?

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My bad, I thought I included it on the first chapter when I quoted it. The name of the book is CHRIST AND ROME. It is an unpublished work, which I update every now and then since I first wrote it.

BeckyJ said:

In your opinion is truth objective or subjective?

- Objective truth is generally defined as a statement that corresponds to reality, independent of personal feelings, opinions, or biases.
- Subjective truth is influenced by personal beliefs, feelings, or perspectives.

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There is only objective truth. "Subjective truth" is an inaccurate term that should be rephrased as "perspective" or conclusions based on perspective.

“Donald Trump, you have poked the bear and we will punch back,” Newsom, who is seen as a possible 2028 presidential contender, said at a news conference with other Democrats.

Newsom will ask legislators to call a special election for November, where voters would ratify the plan to use new maps. Currently, California uses an independent commission to draw district lines (which was also passed by voters).

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I am completely against Calvinism, but this is a sad statement about the people who came directly after the Apostles. That is, if they did believe that actions determined if people are saved and that our actions either good or bad determine if we are saved.

No wonder Calvinism and election came about, one incorrect theology going against another incorrect works based theology of good and evil being the determiner of a person eternal life salvation.

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And in Eph 1;4 SAYS , Just as HE , CHOSE // ELECTION , for Himself in HIM. , BEFORE // PRO , the overthrow. of the WORLD

for us to be holy and overthrow of the world for us to be holy and without blemish BEFORE // PRO Him in love. !

It means OSAS !!

dan p

essentialsaltes said:

Heavily armed immigration agents descend on MacArthur Park in L.A.​

It’s unclear if anyone was arrested during the sweep.

“This was just one big, perverse publicity stunt,” said Ron Gochez, a member of Unión del Barrio, an independent political organization advocating for immigrant rights and social justice. “It was just to show force, it was just to take pictures.”

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National Guard rehearsed show of force against immigration raid protesters in LA, general testifies​

Sherman said the deployment of federal agents on horseback and on foot to MacArthur Park in the heart of a neighborhood with a large immigrant population was initially planned for Father’s Day, June 15. But the operation was moved to July 7 after he raised concerns the park could be crowded, he said.

The Guard troops were deployed to protect the perimeter and were instructed only to exit their vehicles if there was a direct threat to federal agents, he said.

All troops remained in their vehicles during the brief but mighty show of force. Sherman said the operation took just 20 minutes because it had been rehearsed multiple times. The Department of Homeland Security hasn’t said if anyone was arrested.

Sherman testified that he also raised concerns that military vehicles would park along Wilshire Boulevard, which traverses the park, instead of staying in the park’s perimeter.

Gregory Bovino, the Border Patrol’s El Centro sector chief in charge of the immigration crackdown in Los Angeles, questioned his loyalty, Sherman told the court Monday.

Hentenza said:

Now you deny that God created the cosmos?

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I'm not denying anything of the kind, God created it all.

Vambram said:

I disagree. But perhaps you might believe that the Chinese and Russian governments are our friends.

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You disagree that you have indicated by your posts that you are not at war? Because you are obviously not. Or maybe you don't agree that the person who told you that you are is an idiot. Who knows. That's up to you. But not being on friendly terms with another country does NOT mean that you are at war with them.

timothyu said:

Jesus said truth only comes from the Father and neither live in this reality

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Such 'religious truths' are the kinds of statements that are not likely to be objectively either true or false.

essentialsaltes said:

Judge orders Trump administration to explain why order to restore Voice of America wasn't followed​

[85% of staff are gone, per Kari Lake, who (in this timeline) is in charge of VOA.]

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Or is she? Duh duh DAH

Is Kari Lake a CEO? Her agency said so. The law suggests not​

Trump administration official Kari Lake told a federal judge Wednesday that she's just doing her job in forcing out nearly the entire workforce of the Voice of America.

That's despite a congressional mandate that the 83-year-old international network serve as a consistently reliable and authoritative source of news overseas.

In a sworn declaration filed in court Wednesday afternoon, Lake attested she is the acting chief executive of Voice of America's federal parent, simply fulfilling President Trump's wishes.

NPR can find no public evidence that Trump has ever named Lake to the job. And under U.S. law, it does not appear that she is eligible to hold it, according to former federal officials.

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Truth is that which is in accord with the reality you do live in, not fantasies about the reality you want to live in.

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Jesus said truth only comes from the Father and neither live in this reality. Man’s reality on the other hand is built upon selfishness and self interest . Enjoy if that is what is your thing

The crazy Mullahs of Iran must act, or they will be deposed.
How can they act? By destroying Israel with nuke missiles. This would change the whole scene in the Middle East and make Islam supreme there.

There is plenty of indications of their desperate race toward being able to do this. It is just a matter of getting everything together and pressing the firing button.
THEN.....it will be the Lord who will act:

Psalms 94:1-7 God of vengeance 1, show Yourself. Repay the arrogant as they deserve. Rise now and judge the earth, give to the godless their just penalty. Lord: How long will the wicked exult? Evildoers oppress Your people, Your chosen nation. They say: The Lord does not see, the God of Jacob pays no heed.

Isaiah 42:14-15 Long have I restrained Myself 2, I kept silence and held Myself in check, now I am like a woman in labour, as in the throes of childbirth. I shall lay waste to the land, dry up rivers and lakes will become deserts.

Psalms 102:13 & 19-20 You will arise and have mercy on Zion, for it is time to pity her. The appointed time has come3. The Lord looks down from His sanctuary on high and surveys the earth. He hears the supplications of the exiles and will set free those threatened with annihilation.

Psalms 78:65-66 Then the Lord awoke as a sleeper awakes 4, as a warrior suddenly disturbed. He struck His foes and defeated them, to their eternal shame.

Psalms 2:4-9 The Lord, enthroned in the heavens 5 laughs and derides His enemies. Angrily He rebukes them and in His wrath, He devastates the nations, shattering them like a clay pot.

Psalms 11:4-6 The Lord is on His throne in heaven 5. He observes all people and judges them. He hates those who love violence. He will rain fiery coals and brimstone upon the wicked peoples 6; scorching winds will be their sentence.

Psalms 50:1-5 Our God is coming and will not keep silent. A consuming fire runs ahead of Him and around Him a great storm rages 6.

Psalms 18:13 The Lord thundered from the heavens 5, He raised His voice amid hail and glowing coals. He hurled forth arrows of lightning6 and sped them to their mark.

Joel 1:15, 2 Peter 3:10, Malachi 4:1, Zeph. 3:8, Isaiah 13:9, Isaiah 66:15-16, Jer. 9:22 The Day is near, the Day of the Lord it comes, as a mighty destruction from the Almighty. On that unexpected Day, the sky will be dispersed with a great noise and the earth will be enveloped in flames 7. All peoples will be brought to judgement and many will die.
Ref; REB. Some verses abridged.

1/ We know God as a God of love, but also of justice and this means that He must exact a just punishment onto those who deny Him and ignore His commands. Nahum 1:2, Isaiah 1:24, Romans 1:18

2/ The Lord has kept out of world affairs and allowed people to follow their own desires. This is our free will choice. Isaiah 64:7, Eccl. 8:5-7, Psalms 89:46, 1 Thess. 4:6-8

3/ God has a plan and all that is prophesied will come to pass at its appointed time. Isaiah 46:10, Psalms 33:10-11

4/ The Lord springs into action! Haggai 2:21-22, Amos 5:9, Joel 2:11, Psalms 144:5-6

5/ This event is NOT the Return, the Lord stays in His sanctuary. Psalms 7:6-16, Isa 60:1-3

6/ The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, prophesied over 100 times throughout the Bible, the Day of punishment on the nations, triggered by an attack on the State of Israel. Psalms 83:1-18, Habakkuk 3:12, Isaiah 34:1-5

7/ The only logical explanation for a worldwide fire, is a Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion of the suns surface. This is confirmed by Isaiah 30:26 and Malachi 4:1.

A CME of unprecedented magnitude will strike the earth, the mass of superheated hydrogen plasma will fulfil all the prophesied effects: in the sky, heat, smoke, electrical, volcanic, earthquakes and the loss of our modern infrastructure. Deut. 32:22 & 34-35, Ezekiel 21:10, Revelation 6:12-17

BCP1928 said:

There is also the factor that Trump Christian supporters have a rather different idea about underage sex than the rest of us. For example, the age of consent in Tennessee is 13. The Epstein girls were said to be between 14 and 17, no biggie for a conservative Christian.

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Up until 2013, in Vatican City it was 12. Go figure.


If Trump was found to have been 'involved' with Epstein then the ages we are quoting will be thrown out right, left and centre as an excuse by some of his supporters. I absolute guarantee that.

ThatRobGuy said:

If you're referring to the E Jean Carrol...

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Yeah. The woman he raped. That one.

I also have known for many years, via a forum and personal emails, another woman who was assaulted by Trump. Personal correspondence has convinced me that her claim is genuine. I don't expect anyone to accept that as any evidence for what Trump is likely to have done. But, really...knowing what the man has done and said over the years, exactly what does he need to do convince any reasonable person of his character?

No further discussion on this particular topic will be entertained. If you aren't convinced about what sort of man sits behind the Resolute desk by now then you will never be convinced. Nothing anyone would say is likely to change your mind.

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the interpreter was interpreting a known language or an unknown language. It could be either one.

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Well, that's the thing. If an interpreter is interpreting period it would be a known language to them. It wouldn't be unknown to them personally.

I see the pentecostal tongue for what it was and that it was miraculous that they each heard it in their own language. But I just don't see this as you posted-

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They often use phrases like let go and let the words flow from your mouth which is just encouraging someone to speak jibberish.

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being biblical.

We are all given different gifts. And I think picking up different languages is one. But it's all to edify the body of Christ, the church, etc. So I don't believe in the "speaking in tongues" phenomenon as portrayed like you posted to be biblical. I mean no offense. I don't think that's Paul's point either.

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I followed it. I had nothing brilliant to say. Now I don't know that I qualify to comment because of the 'Futurist Only' tag. Oh well. I'm still following the discussion for what it's worth.

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I do the tag because if you don't, preterists flood the thread to tell you about how it all happened in 70AD and we're currently living in heaven now etc, it throws off the topic into a debate about futurism vs preterism. So not wanting that I put the tag to hopefully discuss what's happening with it.

Which is apparently the rabbis disagree because it didn't fit the Talmud, despite it fitting requirements of Numbers 19

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Not so. Man wants to live in a reality...

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Truth is that which is in accord with the reality you do live in, not fantasies about the reality you want to live in.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
Philip K. Dick

And many are confused when I ask them how. they BAPTIZED into Christ Jesus and BAPTIZED into his DEATH. ?

The Greek word has many definitions !!

How would YOU. explain 1 Cor 10 :2 , and all were BAPTIZED UNTO , Moses unto , in the Cloud and in the SEA ?? and I.

will help you out . if you want ?? as the CLOUD and the SEA has a meaning. !!

Remember that many. Greek words have many meanings. ??

dan p

linux.poet said:

The statistics in the first post are not straightforward and distorted a bit.

“Humble” and “Honest” is on the first list but not on the second and the third. What are the unbeliever percentages for those categories? It might be better than we think, since we don’t know it. This isn’t a very good comparison. Likewise, how many other Christians view other Christians as hypocritical? We don’t know, because it’s not on the first list.

This isn’t a real apples-to-apples presentation here.

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The full summary of the survey responses is here: https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default...ne - Episcopal Church Final 2.17.22 CLEAN.pdf

Note especially question 31, p. 23.

"Humble": 7% for "Other Religions", 8% for "Not Religious/No Religion.
"Honest": 11% for "Other Religions", 7% for "Not Religious/No Religion.

[ View Christians in general as ] "Hypocritical": 19% Catholic, 18% Mainline Protestant, 14% Other Protestant, 19% Other Christian, 12% Evangelical.

childeye 2 said:

I would again point out that the term 'Christ' means the True Image of God sent by God. Or in other words, "NOT imagined by any creature

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Again man adding their own truth. It means anointed one. One appointed to bring the Gospel of the Kingdom which mankind including Christians chose to ignore because it convicts us all and of course we don’t wish to repent/change

Jamdoc said:

Coincidence?

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Iran has been facing drought conditions for many years. Here are a couple of articles from 2023.

Iran has been grappling with a severe drought for about three decades.
07 Aug 2023

Alongside dwindling rainfall, it has faced soaring temperatures and reduced snowfall. The water levels in rivers, lakes and groundwater reservoirs are significantly lower, leaving the country at risk of chronic water shortages by 2025. Adding to the challenge, most of Iran is within a part of the world already arid, even before the decline in precipitation.

The water crisis has already reached a critical level, according to the same analysts, which could threaten the Iranian people and the regime in the country.

There are signs that government officials are becoming concerned, as water scarcity spreads from the outskirts of the nation to its heart. It is not something that Tehran can be shielded from.


In Iran, Some Are Chasing the Last Drops of Water
June 21, 2023

Drought has stalked Iran for centuries, but the threat intensified in recent years as political priorities trumped sound water management, experts say.

Climate change has only made things worse in an area that typically gets no rainfall for seven months out of the year, and where temperatures can soar to 124 degrees in July.

Sistan and Baluchistan, where Iranian lawmakers warn the water will run out altogether within three months, might sound like an extreme case. But other regions are not far behind. Drought is forcing water cuts in the capital, Tehran, shrinking Lake Urmia, the largest saltwater lake in the Middle East, and the livelihoods that came with it, and stoking mass migration from Iran’s countryside to its cities.

Mismanagement of Iran’s water goes back at least to Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, who ruled Iran before being deposed in its 1979 Islamic Revolution. He dedicated scarce water to building up agriculture, helping to desiccate the ancient Persian system of underground aqueduct-like canals known as qanats.

Unrest over water rights has gripped far more prosperous and influential areas of Iran, including the central city of Isfahan, where the government’s diversion of the Zayanderud River led to protests on its dry, cracked bed in 2021.

Seven years ago, Mohammad Ehsani, a filmmaker, interviewed farmers, herders and others who lived around the once-fertile Hamoun wetlands for a documentary, “Once Hamoun.” It shows a landscape full of ancient history and modern decay: hut-like homes sitting in the dust where a lake used to be; camels and sheep drinking from dribbles of rainwater, all the moisture their owners could find;

perplexed said:

It is not wrong for political party raise money to help them to prevent gerrymandering by having officials flee their jurisdiction. Very clear case of the lesser of two evils.

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Not according to the judge.

essentialsaltes said:

There's only one reality, the one we all live in together.

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Not so. Man wants to live in a reality of our own making but God was clear we’ve got it backwards. Remember how the Jews expected a human king to fit their reality? Jesus said it wasn’t him as their reality was not His.

I like the implications.