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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

Same post. You quoted 2 Cor 5: "If anyone is in Christ...", and then added your opinion that the resulting new creation cannot be uncreated, that we can’t compromise our saved status.
That was posed in the form of a question to you. You have to look at the sentence structure in the original language to realize that the change is permanent. I don’t have time to post it now but I’m sure that you have access to an interlinear.
And I quoted John 15:5 in response: Jesus said, "If you remain in Me..." That implies choice-as do many of the quotes in my following post.
My contention has never been that all that profess faith will indeed remain in Christ. Only those whose seed landed in fertile ground will always remain in Christ, ie those with saving faith. Read the parable of the soils.
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CDC Head Ousted

Ousted question mark?

Showdown at CDC as director refuses to leave post, amid pressure from Trump administration

Monarez's lawyers again pushed back, arguing that because Monarez was appointed by President Donald Trump to the post -- the first CDC director to go through a Senate confirmation process -- Trump had to personally dismiss her.

"For this reason, we reject the notification Dr. Monarez has received as legally deficient and she remains as CDC Director. We have notified the White House Counsel of our position," Zaid and Lowell said in a statement.

"When CDC Director Susan Monarez refused to rubber-stamp unscientific, reckless directives and fire dedicated health experts, she chose protecting the public over serving a political agenda. For that, she has been targeted," Monarez's lawyers Mark Zaid and Abbe Lowell said in a statement.

The showdown began as a disagreement over demands from Kennedy and Stefanie Spear, his principal deputy chief of staff, for Monarez to support changes to COVID vaccine policy and the firings of high-level staff, a source familiar with the conversations told ABC News, which Monarez would not commit to.
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Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

You probably can, but what about the average low-life who wants to shoot up a classroom full of kids or a place of worship? Or someone who gets kicked out of a bar after having a few too many and comes back with their gun in a fit of rage? Also, switching magazines is much easier in a controlled environment compared to an adrenaline-induced situation. Mistakes and missteps are more likely to be made in the latter.

Each time a shooter has to switch magazines, even if it takes just a couple of seconds, it gives people an opportunity to react, whether that is to run, hide, or, as has happened many times, stop the shooter.


"I saw the Waffle House employees scatter. Then I looked back and I saw a person laying on the ground right at the entrance of the door," said Shaw, wearing a brown suit jacket and with his right forearm bandaged.

Shaw said he slid from his table and moved toward the door, which the gunman was trying to enter after apparently firing through the glass.

"I'm pretty sure he grazed my arm," said Shaw, 29.

"I kind of made up my mind, because there's no way to lock that door, that if it was gonna come down to it, he was gonna have to work to kill me."

As the shooter was either reloading, or the weapon jammed, Shaw ran and hit him with the swivel door, leading to a scuffle.

"I managed to get him with one hand on the gun, and then I grabbed it from him and threw it over the countertop," before getting the suspect outside, Shaw said.



Jacob later said he thought the gunfire was fire crackers, but as he processed what was happening, he pushed his girlfriend onto a nearby table before falling to the ground; though he didn’t yet know it, he had been shot in the chest.

Chaos erupted as students fled, trying to escape or hide as the assailant continued to shoot — one 17-year-old was struck and killed.

From the floor, Jacob said later that he saw the assailant point a rifle at the head of a female student. The assailant pulled the trigger, but the gun did not fire.

As the assailant attempted to reload his weapon, Jacob got off the floor and ran 20 feet toward the assailant. He tripped and fell, but immediately returned to his feet and charged the assailant. He took the boy to the floor, causing him to drop the rifle. They struggled on the floor and other students joined in to assist Jacob, including his younger brother.



Several people were injured Saturday night after a driver ran his truck into a crowded Hiram restaurant and opened fire, police said.

Eduardo Morales, 34, was arrested after
a group of patrons at the 278 South Bar & Grill detained him while he was trying to reload the gun, the Hiram Police Department said in a statement. A concert was underway at the time, the establishment’s owner told Channel 2 Action News.

“I dove in through the driver’s side window, and when I reached in there, I noticed that he had a pistol and he was reloading and putting another magazine in,” Puerto told Channel 2.” And I grabbed the wrist where he had the pistol. He was putting up a fight and he wouldn’t let it go. I kept elbowing him with my right arm.”



Jared Lee Loughner, the alleged shooter in Tucson, used a 33-round magazine in a murderous rampage. The sheriff says 31 spent rounds were found on the scene.

As we now know, a group of heroic bystanders stopped the shooter by wrestling him to the ground. But
they didn't have an opportunity to intervene until he emptied the magazine and paused to reload.

If the shooter didn't have access to the high-capacity magazine that he used, he would have stopped to reload sooner and lives might have been saved.
All of what you posted still does not address the root cause which is the human variable. That means to stop it before it happens. Many of the mass shooters don’t just wake up one day and go shoot up a school. There is usually planning involved and outward signs that people (close to them but sometimes not) choose to ignore. This particular shooter had a manifesto in YouTube. Why didn’t people act on that? In other shootings parents ignore the obvious and even purchase guns for them. Continuing to focus on just guns misses the greater point.
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A conversation about unity.

You presume error where the Church teaches infallibly. The Catholic Church does not “spoon feed” doctrine; she transmits divine revelation safeguarded by the Holy Spirit. The First Vatican Council (1870) dogmatically defined that “the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra… possesses that infallibility with which the divine Redeemer willed His Church to be endowed” (Pastor Aeternus, ch. 4; DS 3074). You may reject this authority, but you cannot refute it by mere assertion.

To call the Church’s teachings “erroneous” is to accuse Christ Himself of falsehood, for He promised, “The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18) and “He who hears you hears Me” (Luke 10:16). The Magisterium does not invent truth; it guards and articulates what God has revealed. Your claim betrays ignorance of the Church’s doctrinal foundations and the rigorous theological tradition that undergirds them.

You speak as though your private judgement supersedes two millennia of apostolic continuity. That is not intellectual courage—it is spiritual presumption. The Church does not appeal to sentiment or manipulation; she appeals to reason illuminated by grace. As Dei Filius affirms, “faith is not a blind sentiment of religion springing from the depths of the soul… but a genuine assent of the intellect to truth received by hearing” (ch. 3; DS 3010).

If you reject the Church’s teaching, you reject the means by which Christ communicates saving truth. You may call it “spoon feeding,” but it is in fact the nourishment of eternal life. “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53). That is not metaphor. That is dogma. And it is not yours to dismiss.


You appeal to Scripture while dismissing dogma, yet Scripture itself presupposes the authority of the Church to define dogma. You ask where one must believe a “particular dogma” to receive grace—yet the very act of believing in Christ entails assent to His teaching, His sacraments, and His Church. To isolate the resurrection as the sole necessary belief is to mutilate the Gospel and reduce Christ to a slogan. “He who hears you hears Me” (Luke 10:16) was spoken to the apostles, whose successors define dogma not arbitrarily, but as guardians of divine revelation.

You demand a verse that lists dogmas as prerequisites for grace. That is a category error. Grace is freely offered, but not received apart from faith rightly ordered. “Without faith it is impossible to please God” (Hebrews 11:6), and that faith is not generic—it is ecclesial, sacramental, and doctrinal. The Council of Trent (Session VI, ch. 7) teaches: “Justification… must proceed from the predisposing grace of God… whereby man is moved to believe those things which are divinely revealed.” That includes the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Real Presence, and the authority of the Church.

You cannot receive Christ while rejecting what He instituted. “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53) is not optional. It is dogma. The Eucharist is not a symbolic add-on—it is the source and summit of Christian life (cf. Lumen Gentium, §11). To deny it is to deny Christ’s own words. Likewise, baptism is not a suggestion: “Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” (John 3:5). That is dogma. That is grace mediated through sacrament.

You cannot pit Scripture against dogma, for dogma is the Church’s authoritative interpretation of Scripture. To reject dogma is to reject the Church. To reject the Church is to reject Christ. “If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector” (Matthew 18:17). That is not metaphor. That is ecclesial judgement. You may claim to believe in Christ—but if you reject what He taught through His Church, your belief is self-fashioned, not salvific.

I shall leave the rest of your reply unanswered because answering it will in all likelihood be unfruitful.
I’m not a member of the RCC so your appeal does not resonate with me. You guys are welcomed to your beliefs and am welcomed to mine. Your church has no influence on my salvation since only God imparts grace.

I still love my Catholic brethren and wish you peace and blessings.
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Under RFK Jr.'s Leadership, CDC Launches Large Wasteful Study on Vaccines and Autism

RFK Jr. Says CDC Needs to More Closely Align With Trump’s Agenda


(Bloomberg) -- US Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention isn’t sufficiently aligned with President Donald Trump’s agenda and it needs an overhaul, a day after the White House fired the director following an intense clash over vaccines.​
There you go. The health of America needs to follow a political agenda and not actual science.
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Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

I saw your post. The number of guns doesn't matter if our attitude towards guns have changed, and they have.
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Agreed. So the answer does not rest in guns but with the human variable.
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Here’s how the first proteins might have assembled, sparking life

Researchers say they’ve now come up with a plausible route by which RNA and amino acids could have paired up to assemble small proteins called peptides, without the help of complex enzymes or the ribosome. The work, published today in Nature, offers a glimpse of how RNA might have helped form the first simple proteins, an event that could have set the stage for evolution.

“This is the first step to allowing life’s information molecules to encode peptides,” says Matthew Powner, a chemist at University College London (UCL) who led the study. Thomas Carell, a chemist at the Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich, says the study “gives wonderful insights” into “one of the big riddles in prebiotic chemistry.”

Fact Check Team: Millions of migrants voluntarily leave US

"Research from the Center for Immigration Studies estimates that each illegal immigrant generates an average lifetime net fiscal cost of $68,000, calculated as the difference between public services received and taxes paid. Multiply that by 1.6 million, and the long-term cost of supporting these migrants would be roughly $109 billion.
Put simply, spending $1,000 per person upfront is a tiny fraction—about 1.5%—of what it might cost to support them over a lifetime."

This is a great start.
How are they climbing over Trump's wall to get out, since painting it black is supposed to make it impossible to climb over?
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It's not all puppies and rainbows within the trans community, despite what the media tries to tell us.

We're dealing with people here that hate themselves so much that they want to change themselves into something they're not......and if they hate themselves that much, it doesn't take much of a stretch to understand why they'd hate others as well. Especially those who disagree with them.
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6,000 Years?

Demons having children with humans doesnt make sense to me...I don't know of any examples where demons had a physical body.
I should add, it is not that the demons are having....relations...with women. The idea is that there is a wicked process where the woman and the demon perform a ritual where she is impregnated by a normal human man and the demon possesses/takes ownership over the baby that is to be born. We see some examples in pagan literature and the old temple rights with ritual sex and rituals involving temple virgins and the "god". At least that is how I understand the idea.
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Cracker Barrel loses almost $100 million.

No. Those logos were considered offensive by some and were removed.
Nobody was triggered into removing them, whatever that means.
Quite frankly, NONE of this is a real issue.
The right seems to think it's an emergency!
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Is being single, and able to handle it, a blessing?

Are you trying to say you're vulnerable getting influenced by sinners because you're not Jesus?
No, I am saying that you should not be allowed to give anyone any advice, and the reason being
is because most everything you have said to me has been incorrect
and without any merit.
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

This sounds crazy. The Holy Spirit saves us Titus3:5-6


5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Of course we are saved by the Holy Spirit, but we don’t receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit until after we accept Christ. Are you saying that I was saved before I asked Jesus for forgiveness and salvation? That doesn’t fit with the book of Acts. When was Paul saved?
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Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

This person was full of hate. This person was radicalized online where there are corners of extreme hate, I wish we could ban those corners but- "free speech." He was attracted to these hate corners and we don't know why he was attracted to this. I'm sure mental illness played into this. As far as the military, young people at least for now sign up to serve their country,(a good thing!) to protect and defend their country something that maybe would have been good for this young man and given him direction. My Dad and Grandfather and husband served this country in the military. We don't know what this young man's family life was like, apparently his mother was a devout Catholic we don't know if there was a father in the picture. We have a mental health issue for sure, and I'm not opposed to common sense gun laws. I'm no fan of Trump, and didn't vote for him, but I totally understand why people did. The state I live in has tried to strip Christian school and churches of their first amendment rights, people thing Trump will stop that but Trump is a bandage on a huge problem we have today, and no President or government is going to solve what's going on in our society, yes. we can try to pass laws, hardening schools and churches. What is needed is something no government can provide, religious revival! But God will not override people's free will!
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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

You might want to consider the verses before these for context.

“Therefore if anyone is in Christ, this person is a new creation; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their wrongdoings against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭17‬-‭19‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

If those with saving faith are indeed a new creation then how can they be uncreated? If God gave those with saving faith the ministry of reconciliation and not counting their wrongdoings against those with saving faith then how can those with saving faith loose the ministry of reconciliation and have their wrongdoings counted against them?
These are a good points. By way of the new creation we have "become the righteousness of God in Him" (2 Co 5:17-21). It is only by looking past what we have in Christ (i.e., that we are forgiven of our sins and are alive to God in Christ Jesus) that one could conclude that we could be uncreated and held to account for all our sins. I don't think anyone who has heeded the instructions to look at himself this way (Romans 6:11) would at the same time see himself as being in danger of perdition because of his sins.
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Powell admits Trump was right

The PCE the Fed's preferred inflation measure comes out this Friday. That could be somewhat of a preview. I guess the latest .9 percent PPI should be disregarded? (Over a 10% annual rate, if it were to persist)Powell is a dove and was wrong before of as they said inflation was "transitory." Raising taxes and eventually prices from tariffs is interesting because it does two things. It raises consumer costs and workers will try to demand more wages, this will allow inflation to linger longer and likely it could multiply for some time.

However, the second thing tariffs do is reduce demand because consumers now have less money. This will likely occur more slowly. Deficient demand will work the opposite way for prices. Some of this lack of demand is that the US tariffs will be hurting the world economy. So less world demand, inefficient cost shifting between countries and reduced domestic spending power is going to likely pack a punch. Powell has to try and thread the needle. Likely he is going to lower 1/2 point (one or two meetings) and pause. Inflation will likely show up to justify this. But soon we will see a crash, (maybe very soon, the stock market is at record highs).

Other things to watch for.

The Fed keeps track of the demand for all it's auctions. The latest demands were quite week. Lowering rates will make this problem worse. So you actually could see short-term rates go lower but long-term rates increase. https://www.barrons.com/articles/treasury-30-year-bond-auction-yields-f32727f4
The Fed could buy longer term maturities directly but their balance sheet money printing will spook investors if they even hint at that.
The bond market took the last hit of inflation. Many lost serious money buying a long maturity bond that paid just 3%. I doubt we will ever see
long term rates that low again. Why? Because no one wants that debt when the government is increasing their spending. Even with the tariff revenue the deficit is climbing. Things are getting unsustainable and the Federal Reserve is really in no position to help that much.

Stagflation which is very new to most is likely for some months. Inflation plus low or negative growth. Powell will be defenseless. raise rates and hurt the eocnomy more, lower rates and the long end of the curve may not even move. He is lucky he is retiring soon.
As someone who supports free markets, free trade, globalization, and capitalism, I find it puzzling that some conservatives who voted for Reagan, Bush, Romney, or McCain also support President Trump’s tariffs. It appears that some voters may have consistently supported Republican candidates over the past 50 years without fully considering their economic policies, or they may be supporting President Trump simply because they voted for him. The economic policies of Reagan, Bush, or Romney differ significantly from President Trump's approach, as they represent opposing philosophies. In fact, President Trump’s stance on trade is similar to Senator Bernie Sanders, a self proclaim socialist.
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Confabulation

It's not clear to me that Trump is in cognitive decline.

He's always had his own bizarre interpretations of reality. If he starts forgetting he's the president, then I'll know that there's some cognitive decline going on.

I'll note that "as capable as ever" doesn't necessarily mean "capable".
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

We don't receive the gift of the Holy Spirit until we are saved. Before salvation the Holy Spirit is pulling us to repentance in a thousand different ways from the "outside" if you will. After we accept, Christ the Holy Spirit leads us from within, and that is the most important part of the gift of the Holy Spirit.
This sounds crazy. The Holy Spirit saves us Titus3:5-6


5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
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I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

"Every parable has 3 characters: God/people/devils. Mark 4:15"

What are these five (in this parable) to you?

"Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing."
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Well, off we go

Deflection time.

I think the only thing some people really know about the numbers is what CNN et al tells them to believe. Just like the first time around when everything was going to collapse etc.
Are we in the era of one deficit number for Rs and different one for Ds?

At this rate it will grind down sooner or later.
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Commentary on Mark 7: 24-30

Jesus was referencing the law (which must be taken in the light of the whole scripture), in a way that is relative to what those things were/are in picture form, in relationship to the process of this son being revealed in us … it was not about the woman (though she received what she needed), just as the marriage feast he and his disciples were called to, was not about the literal bride and groom …
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