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Another look at the moon landing.

Rubbish.
The first thing Neil Armstrong did when he got to the moon was to read from Genesis 1.
Buzz Aldrin took communion - celebrating when Jesus died.
Charles Duke gives talks saying that his walk on the moon was not as nearly as important as his walk with Jesus.

How is/was that "hiding God"?

And not all of Scripture is to be taken literally.
If you don't believe that, you'd better start offering animal sacrifices for your sins. It won't be a problem, there are loads of sheep in Wales.
You'd also better start looking for Paul's scrolls and his cloak so that you can take them to him.

The moon landings have nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus' return - or even the Christian faith.
You've written before about things that would come tumbling down like a stack of cards. I asked you "what things?" and you had no answer.

If I were you I'd study Scripture and not conspiracy theories.

My message was in answer to @d taylor post & to the general public at large, so stop taking umbrage.
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Trump sends troops to the 'warzone' of Portland...

It still makes no sense.
It makes no sense to YOU. But to some people it makes perfect sense.

Given the immensity of human experience no one person is the arbiter of ‘what makes sense’. It’s a subjective statement.
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Another look at the moon landing.

The moon deception proclaims how great man is, so mankind will look to man to solve problems.​
That's why the first thing Neil Armstrong did was to read from Genesis 1, I suppose?

Why didn't he put up a flag with his own image on it and said "I did it my way"?
Millions of people all over the world heard him reading from God's word.
Shame that you can't be happy about that but mock and doubt that it ever happened.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

What bits did I pick out of context? The surface deviation plots at the Artifact Foundation shows deviations in the mm scale, belieing modern lathing performance https://3ee9be00-b8a0-4f00-991d-97c...d/3ee9be_e79661f238934aed91a28269a61725d8.pdf. It's a very big pdf.
The link raises more questions than answers.

The surface deviation plots again were done using Zeiss Inspect 2025, I assume since they had access to the software why didn't they take the opportunity of 3D measurements and calculations for cylindricity, perpendicularity, parallelism etc?
The other question is why didn't they compare the circularity calculation of their software to Zeiss Inspect 2025?

A possible answer to this as explained in another post, since the amateur software uses the least square method while ISO 1101 compliant software uses minimum circle zones, the results are going to be different and will lead to confusion.
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Why do people hate ICE...


Maria Greeley, 44, had just finished working a double shift at the Beach Bar on Ohio Street earlier this month when she said she was surrounded by three federal agents who grabbed her, forced her hands behind her back and zip-tied her.

Headphones in, Greeley had been focused on getting home to her two dogs for a walk. Instead, she said she was detained by masked agents who did not answer when she asked for names. They questioned her for an hour, she said.

Greeley, who was born at Illinois Masonic hospital and is adopted, carries a copy of her passport just in case she runs into federal agents.

“I am Latina and I am a service worker,” Greeley said. “I fit the description of what they’re looking for now.”

During the encounter, Greeley said they told her she “doesn’t look like” a Greeley.

“They said this isn’t real, they kept telling me I’m lying, I’m a liar,” Greeley recalled. “I told them to look in the rest of my wallet, I have my credit cards, my insurance.”

When the agents let her go, Greeley got home and screamed when she saw the shadow on her door. Days after the incident, Greeley said, it’s still “terrifying.”

“I just have to stay strong and not think about it, I’m still here, luckily,” she said, tearing up. “All those other people are getting taken.”
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Another look at the moon landing.

Exactly - And will begin to leave God out of the equation - This is exactly what the moon & space deception has done.

1. To hide God.
2. To make Scripture seem like fairy tales & not to taken literally.
Rubbish.
The first thing Neil Armstrong did when he got to the moon was to read from Genesis 1.
Buzz Aldrin took communion - celebrating when Jesus died.
Charles Duke gives talks saying that his walk on the moon was not as nearly as important as his walk with Jesus.

How is/was that "hiding God"?

And not all of Scripture is to be taken literally.
If you don't believe that, you'd better start offering animal sacrifices for your sins. It won't be a problem, there are loads of sheep in Wales.
You'd also better start looking for Paul's scrolls and his cloak so that you can take them to him.
The General public needs to wake up as Jesus's return is approaching fast.
The moon landings have nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus' return - or even the Christian faith.
You've written before about things that would come tumbling down like a stack of cards. I asked you "what things?" and you had no answer.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
God will send this delusion to those who refuse to accept the love of truth and instead choose unrighteousness, leading them to believe a lie and be condemned.
If I were you I'd study Scripture and not conspiracy theories.
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The Lost House of Israel

I merely bring to your attention, what many sources inform us about. My belief is that it is a probability that the Holy Family lived in Britian for about 18 years.
What puzzles me, is for what reason does anyone vehemently oppose it?
It's not Scriptural but you were writing about it as if it were.

In your OP you said that Mary was related to Joseph of Arimathea and took Jesus to Britain where they lived for 18 years.
You said it was provable that Britain is part of the house of Israel, quoted from Deuteronomy and Isaiah and said that these facts were disputed by experts because God wanted it kept secret.

This - coupled with a previous statement that you are a servant of God with a command to preach a message - suggests that you have been let in on this hidden truth; that you are "in the know".

Then many posts later you admit that it can't be proved and is only your belief.
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The History of the “Two Laws” Theory in Romans 3:20

Yes after the fall. The Sabbath, the Holy day of the Lord started at Creation according to God’s written and spoken Testimony Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 Exo 31:18
No, that is not at all accurate. Yes, God's Sabbath after Creation began at Creation. But that's not when the Sabbath Law for Man or for Israel began. What Sabbath Law did God require of Mankind after He created Man? Did He require it before the Fall? No. Did He require it right after the Fall? No.

And so, your argument is illogical. God's Sabbath after Creation is not the same as Sabbath Law for Israel. One was God's rest after creation, and the other was man's rest after a week of working. One suggested that God finished His product. The other suggested that Man had to cease and desist from his flawed works.

I will admit, of course, that God designed the description of Creation and its Sabbath in a way that Man was intended to pattern himself after. Before the Fall it would've meant that Man completes his job given him by God, just as God completed His job in Creation and rested. But after the Fall it meant that Man, or Israel, had to stop working to show that his job falls short and remains incomplete.

There is no indication either before or after the Fall that Man was supposed to rest one day every 7th day. But that became the matter when God introduced the Law of Moses to Israel to show by its repetition that their product never really gets finished under that system.
it was and is and always will be God’s perfect plan for mankind, why it continues in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23. Why not all laws are the same. God’s commandments describes what sin is when breaking Rom 3:20 1 John 3:4 James 2:11 Rom 7:7 Mat5:19-30, the law of Moses was added as a prescription to sin.
The Law of Moses was added only to Israel as an example to the nations of what their commitment to God meant, both in terms of righteousness and in terms of the inadequacy of their works. The Sabbath also showed this human inadequacy by exposing Israel's record of sin, needing to rest from their flawed works.

Now, lest you claim I say there are no commandments anymore to make us righteous I will remind you of what I've already said. Christ represents lawfulness and the fulfillment of the law of Moses. As such, Jesus provided a righteousness apart from the Law, fulfilling the Law, because it provided Israel with what their own works could not provide for themselves.

We remain lawful, but our Justification does not come from our own works alone, but more, from the devotion of our works to our partnership with Christ. We see in Christ the morality of the Law and retain anything moral in the Law that speaks not of Israel's religious works, but of the work of Christ in giving his righteousness to us.

That means no more need for Sabbath Law. No more repeated rests for Israel inasmuch as Christ has provided the final product. Now we can truly rest.
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Heading to Bangladesh.

We had an uneventful trip to Dhaka.
We got there after midnight and didn't have problems getting our visas.
We got there with a Bengali celebration of a Buddist holiday that is close to our xmas.
People were crowded in the airport parking lot all night.
It took about 7 hours to get to Sitakunda.
The traffic was mostly trucks and busses, - very few cars.
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The Fiction of ‘Occupied Palestinian Territory’ Made Israel a Pariah

I'm not sure you've got the subject of this thread?
Some irrelevant and probably extraneous data there.

Palestine is the subject.

Palestine saw its longest period of peace during the 401 years of Ottoman rule, beginning with the conquest of Jerusalem in 1516 and ending with the dawn of the British Mandate in 1917​

Also - ask yourself - how many women and children were horrifically murdered by militant Islam by Hamas that led to the latest war?
How many women and children were horrifically murdered by militant Zionism 'defending Israel' without even a teaspoon of an attempt to adopt the Just War practice of "Proportionate Response". (1)

Israel killed 44 TIMES the number of Gazans as was killed in the original terrorist attack.

At one point a 'classroom of children' a day was being butchered: about 28 children a day. Let alone the women and non-combatant men.

The sheer numerical winner of dealing in death? Goes to militant Zionism!

The bottom line? As horrific and immoral as the Hamas attack was - we cannot ignore the DECADES of awful oppression the Palestinian people have suffered under Israeli occupation.

No terrorist attack on civilians is excusable.

Neither is ignoring DECADES of Israel's DEFIANCE of international law!

They continue to practice setter colonialism in the West Bank. They have oppressed over 5.4 million Palestinians living in the world's 2 largest open air jails. Gaza and the West Bank.

The persecuted Jews of WW2 have become the persecutors.

History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.

(1. If you don't know what Proportionate Response is - you should not be posting in this thread.)
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

Consider the verse below when thinking about the modern nation of Israel.

Isaiah 54:9 To me this is like the days of Noah, when I swore that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth. So now I have sworn not to be angry with you, never to rebuke you again.

The Apostle Paul declares the obvious in Galatians 4:26-27. That Isaiah 54 is a prophecy about the New Jerusalem. The context of that chapter is Old Testament believer’s being illustrated as the wife of God suffering at the hands of their own wicked kings and the gentile nations; someday winning the nations by the gospel and through that inheriting the world. This is why Paul called the New Jerusalem the mother of all New Testament believers. OT saints in Ancient Israel gave birth to NT saints, both Jew and Gentile.
No, Paul was using an allegory. Jerusalem below and Jerusalem above represented the difference between enslavement to sin with its legal condemnation and liberation from sin and from its legal condemnation. When we're born of God's promise we live by the word of God, and not merely by the letter of the Law.

The letter of the Law is void of God's word and power, and not only produces a record of sin but also reduces one to sin. The "letter," by definition is external observance of the Law without spiritual application.

On the other hand, those who live by God's power not only are freed from condemnation through Christ but they also obtain his power to overcome sin.

The old Jerusalem represents those who have rejected God's word and power, and are thus condemned to live in the enslavement of sin. But the new Jerusalem represents those who God has promised by His word, who therefore respond to God's word and embrace His righteousness.
Here is how Isaiah 54:9 ties into the debate over the two extremes between those who teach the name Israel IS ONLY referring to the Jews and modern Israel and God's covenant with them. Verses those who say Israel is now the church and God's NT covenant. In both the OT and NT we see God is almost continuously angry with Ancient Israel for its sin. The reason for this is God chose both the saints and sinners out of one nation, Ancient Israel, to bring his word and the Messiah into the earth. It was his Normandy beach head for his long-planned invasion of planet earth to spread the influence of his invisible kingdom.
Not quite correct, as I see it. Yes, Israel was divided between the Sheep and the Goats. But the reality was that with the Israeli nation, sin became so dominant that the entire nation fell. Those who remained loyal to God were very few in number.

Those in Israel who fell never to rise again were the Goats who rejected God's word. And though they were still counted as Israelites, they ceased to be God's People in the way that God had planned Israel to be. God had promised Abraham a nation of faith, just as he had had faith. Those who did not demonstrate such faith proved to be illegitimate Jews, though Jews nonetheless.

On the other hand, the few Israelites who remained faithful to God, who embraced Christ, God's Son, became the hope for Israel's future national restoration. It would come at the 2nd Coming of Christ, but not before, because sin has continued to dominate the nation in the present age.

And this is the destiny of every nation called and chosen of God. These nations produce God's Sheep. But over time the nations once dedicated to Christ slip away into compromise and backsliding until these nations become utterly apostate. Then it is that the hope is in Christ's return to restore these nations by judging the sinners, and raising up the faithful as judges over the restored nations.
Once the mission God chose all of Ancient Israel for was complete. His focus became the expansion of that influence worldwide. First through Jewish believers that naturally added Gentile believers to that mix. This new mix of believers, illustrated in the Bible’s prophecy was given a new name- The New Jerusalem
God didn't add Gentiles to Israel. Rather, he added other nations, along with Israel, to be His people. This is precisely what God had promised Abraham, the nation Israel and many nations to share in the faith of Abraham. This was not a mix in the nation Israel, but rather, the addition to Israel of many nations, even though in the present age Israel remains in a kind of spiritual paralysis.
That is why God would no longer be angry with his people. They are no longer a mix of ethnic Israeli's who had the faith of Abraham along with the ethnic Israeli's who refused that faith. Instead, his people, illustratively spoken of as God’s bride and the New Jerusalem consist of a mix of ethnic Israelis and gentiles who have embraced the faith of Abraham- in and of the Messiah.
I don't think so. God will cease punishing the nation Israel when Christ returns and destroys the rebels and the rebellion in Israel, awakening those in Israel who had been prepared for repentance. At the revelation of Christ many will repent while those who had rebelled will be suppressed or destroyed.
Does this mean ethnic Israelis, or Jews, who do not have or refuse the faith of Abraham are no longer God’s chosen people? That would depend on narrative you look at Bible's prophecy through. Which by the way is the main point of friction between the two extremes. One extreme says yes because there is end of the world prophecy in the Bible that revolves around a modern nation of Israel. One says no because only believers count as the children of Abraham by faith so the modern nation is an aberration not mentioned in scripture.
God promised Abraham nations that would covenant with Him to be His nations. This always, in the age of human mortality, means that nations are mixed. But even mixed nations can devote themselves to one God and one religion.

Such has been Israel in OT times. And such has been Christian nations in NT times. The mix between genuine believers of promise and imitation believers does not prevent a nation from erecting complete nations with one religion.

Nations rise, nations fall, and nations can rise again. Israel, in times of backsliding, goes through down times. But God can prepare them, after much suffering, to rise again. That's what I think God is preparing Israel for, to experience their final deliverance, never to fall again.

After all, the salvation promised to the nation in the OT era under the Law promised them a political salvation, which is based on simple repentance from ungodliness. Both Sheep and Goats can repent of their sins. When the nation repents, and all can, then the nation can be completely restored--not half a nation or a small remnant of a nation, but an entire nation.

The mix of Sheep and Goats, true and imitation, can all make covenant together to serve their one true God. This is, I believe, what God promised Abraham--flawed, and yet loyal nations, until sin is completely eradicated in the new creation.
But what says the scripture? Well, according to many chapters of prophecy like Isaiah 54, 60, 61, 62, 65 Rev 20-22. Daniel 2 & 7 They say billions would come to Christ after the Roman Empire ends which happened in 1453 AD; and the natural result of that would be a world transforming for the better. We now know this was due to the general public, (illegally) beginning to gain access to their own Bibles to read themselves right when that empire ended. This is what the Bible means when it said the meek, or the saints, shall inherit the earth. It's why we went from the perpetual rule of kings and emperors to a growing free world of republics as it states in the passage below.

Isaiah 29:18-20 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel. For the tyrannical oppressor is brought to nothing…….

Now we have the key to understanding why modern Israel exists. The process of meek inheriting the earth would providentially lead to the world having mercy on the Jewish people and bringing them back to the land promised to Abraham. NOT for some end of the world apocalypse. But rather as part of the process of the meek inheriting the earth. As stated in the prophecy below. The regions future is 10’s of millions of Jews, Arabs, Egyptians and Syrians finding the faith of Abraham in Jesus their savior. The natural result of theirs and the Bible’s influence will be the transformation of the region. It's how the prophecy below is being fulfilled. All the war, death and destruction is Satan’s doings through darkened hearts to try to stop this from happening. Over the long run, it is not going to work.
No, Israel has its own national salvation. Other nations may find their own national salvation if they collectively make God their God, and make a covenant with Him to make Him their God and to be His People--just as Israel did originally.

Israel is not expanding and saving many nations by mixing them into their own nation and people. Rather, Israel is saved when they repent of their sins as a whole people. Then the nation may be fully restored, and not just partially, as it is today.

The Jews have tried to act civilized and compliant with the world. But they have not yet recognized the Messianic source of their repentance. When they do so, a full national restoration will take place.

Maybe I've understood you, and maybe not. Anyway, hopefully you'll get an idea of what I believe on this matter? Thanks for bringing up an interesting subject!
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The Schumer Shutdown

World-wise, the needs of a few always seek to control and direct the many, regardless of lives lost or money cost.
I know - those billionaires Trump gave MASSIVE tax cuts to - they're only a percent of the population but apparently they need MORE of the wealth! Regardless of lives lost or money cost!

That is the one world governmen (religious and politic and economic and scientific and entertainment , et al)
Whaaaat? You've lost me with this end times stuff. First, this is not the forum for it.

Second, I'm with the vast majority of Church history - and so I'm historic Amil. Revelation is to Christians who might experience real persecution (under ANY "Rome" - whether that's Nazi Germany, North Korea, China, a Muslim country) or suffer the temptation trust in worldly wealth and power - like America!

In the first chapter John clearly addresses his audience and prepares them for the 'time is near'. The Roman persecution was about to break out. It's not an end-times-table - no matter how many Hollywood movies like "The Omen" or whatever say so. Revelation read as some sort of prophecy about the future says more about the success of the Scofield bible in America than it does about the historical position on the book - or a real theological investigation. This is not the forum for this discussion, and I do not have time to get into a long end-times thing. (Those chats are exhausting.) If you want to hear more on that, try the apologetics podcast "Undeceptions" and search for Revelation and End.

serves itself or the devil, selfishly, not caring for the widows or orphans or neighbors or family ..... the way of the flesh , the ways of the world, are carnal and destructive and death dealing.
Yeah - so why did America elect someone with a double-serving of all that?
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

No I am pointing out that all this outcry of credibility and credentials is itself a big fallacy. Because in going about discrediting those who have actually done the tests your claiming to be expert enough to do that in the first place. Without applying the same scrutiny and level of proving expertise to yourselves.

This alone is enough to say its highly suspect and biased and cannot be trusted. We would expect at least as high a scutiny and investigation into the back grounds and question all qualifications of those making these complaints. But no one has. Its just assumed that they all pass the test and have the expertise to be making such ad hominems that relegate the researchers as whackos.

Grossly inconsistent and biased.
This is pure comedy while you rile against the 'credibility and credentials' fallacy used to discredit your so called experts, it's perfectly OK to use against individuals in this thread. I can use the same idiotic line by claiming since you have no experience, qualifications or credentials you are in no position to judge Karoyl and co. as being experts or even novices.

All that is required is the ability to read, understand and do basic research which reveals your so called called expects are not expects at metrology coding let alone the development of software which is going to overturn existing software.
You are the only person participating in this thread that does not understand this.

Yes thats the mentality of cynnics. They double down on the trash talk lol.

You still can't answer a simple question. Did the Naqada people use some sort of lathe in making these precision or exceptional precision compared to other vases.

Forget about all the semantics of software. The guage metrology without the software shows very good circularity. The Polyworks shows good cencentricity.

We can quibble about how precise this is. But theres a certain level of precision or tolerance that indicates lathing or not.

So the question is basic and simple. Was a lathe used or not. In fact was even a pretty good lathe used. What about a reasonable lathe. Or a basic lathe.

Was a lathe at all used or are the vases hand made with chisels, pounders and rubbing and no lathe at all. Thats the first step. Whether you think a lathe was used. Its a simple question you have now avoided three times for some reason.
The more you ask the question which has been answered numerous times the more ridiculous you look.
If you are so concerned in being labelled an idiot stop turning it into a self fulfilled prophesy by asking the same question over and over again.
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