• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Resurrection

When we think of the resurrection we usually think of it as an event, but in St. John 11:25 Jesus tells us that He is the resurrection.
1st John 3:2 says, 'but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is'.
So we can understand that the resurrection is also a process.
We often talk of what God has done in the past and what he will do in the future but are we in tune to what God is doing right now?
Are we in the process, being molded and shaped to meet the resurrection?

Rasmussen poll shows Americans most optimistic about the direction of country in nearly 20 years

As much as pundits may try to wish it away, public opinion is shifting. These numbers are a clear reminder that conventional media narratives often miss the mark and that voters, not headlines, will shape the future of American politics.

Many Americans are tired of being fooled by the American media.
  • Agree
Reactions: Vambram

Justice Department tells American Bar Association it will no longer comply with ratings for judicial nominees

The ABA, established in the late 1800s, has grown into a sprawling organization that touts a membership of over 400,000 legal workers.
But it has sparked criticism from Republicans, including members of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, previously blasted the ABA as a "radical left-wing advocacy group."

I am encouraged by this. The ABA did not sanction the judges that went after Trump and made a mockery of the law and Constitution. I think the ABA should be replaced.
  • Agree
Reactions: Vambram

And I KNOW THAT MANY HERE BELIEVE IN BAPTISM ?

And since there are many that believe in WATER BAPTISM or in BAPTISM , can anyone explai Acts 19 : 2 , there were 12 , since ye believed

did you recieve HOLY SPIRIT .

And they said , but we did hear whether there is HOLY SPIRIT .

AND he said to them , for what reason , then were you BAPTIZED / BAPTISMA .

So what does BAPTISMA , then mean ?

dan p

Russian drone attacks on Ukrainians amount to crimes against humanity, UN investigators report

“Russian armed forces have committed the crimes against humanity of murder and the war crimes of attacking civilians, through a months-long pattern of drone attacks targeting civilians on the right bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Province,” the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine said.

Attacks have been carried out since July 2024 in Kherson city and 16 localities stretching over more than 100 kilometres in riverfront areas under Ukrainian Government control.

Furthermore, ambulances also have been targeted and struck by drones to prevent them from reaching victims, and some have died because they could not get to a medical facility in time.

“The Commission therefore concludes that Russian armed forces perpetrated the war crime of intentionally directing attacks against civilians in Kherson Province,” it said, while “posting videos of civilians being killed and injured amounts to the war crime of outrages upon personal dignity.”

See also:

Former Connecticut Gov. Rowland receives pardon from President Trump for federal corruption and campaign fraud

Rowland, a Republican, resigned less than halfway through his third term as governor in 2004 after an investigation was opened into federal corruption.

He served 10 months in prison after he pleaded guilty to accepting gifts and favors from state contractors.

Ten years later, he was put on trial for campaign fraud and was sentenced to 30 months in prison. He was released in 2018.

“What it means not just for John Rowland, but for a lot of crooked politicians who may have skirted the line, Taken bribes committed corruption is that that they can actually get away with those kinds of white collar crimes. And so I think it just sends a very bad message,” said UConn American History chair Manisha Sinha.


I mean, accepting bribes is sort of a victimless crime when you think about it. Two parties get what they want in a mutually beneficial transaction.

Hillsborough County (FL) assistant state attorney arrested on child porn charges: HCSO

The Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office confirmed the arrest of Assistant State Attorney William Andrew Jones.

Jones, 32, was identified as the suspect. The files depicted girls between the ages of six and 10, [Pinellas Co.] PCSO said.

He was arrested in Hillsborough County on a warrant and charged with three counts of possession of child pornography and two counts of transmission of material harmful to a minor.

[He has been fired.]

Killed for sharing faith with Muslims. Threatened but stands strong. Bombing survivor continues medical care.

  • Ibrahim was shot because of his Christian witness. He died in the hospital. VV
    A Christian convert from Islam was killed for sharing his faith with other Muslims. Ibrahim Mohammed became a follower of Christ in 2021 and immediately began sharing the Good News with others in his predominantly Muslim community in the Oromia region of Ethiopia. In one year, he led 80 Muslims to Christ, and he devoted himself to discipling the new believers. Because of his bold witness, Ibrahim began receiving death threats from local Islamists; still, he remained determined to share about Christ. On May 15, 2025, he was witnessing in a rural area when someone wearing Islamic dress approached him, told him it would be his last time to evangelize and shot him. Read More.
  • May. 29, 2025 | Laos​

    Threatened Evangelist Stands Strong

    [10] prayers in [3] nations have been posted for Kard.
    Kard was encouraged when she attended a seminar to gain a biblical perspective on persecution and fellowship with other persecuted Christians.
    Kard felt that she was controlled by the spirits her people worshiped - that they were making her sick and causing trouble. In May 2013, a pastor prayed for Kard and led her to faith in Jesus Christ, and she was released from the spirits' control. Though she kept her new faith a secret, other villagers noticed her healing and asked questions. She started to share the gospel, and 21 people eventually placed their trust in Christ through her testimony. Read More.
  • May. 29, 2025 | Sri Lanka​

    Bombing Survivor Continues Medical Care

    [9] prayers in [3] nations have been posted for Rebecca.

    Rebecca and her husband serve the Lord through music and evangelism.
Rebecca survived a 2019 bomb attack on her church in Sri Lanka with burns and injuries that have continued to affect her even as she has joyfully pursued a ministry of music and evangelism. She is undergoing surgery to restore some movement in her hands, and her doctors also found a brain tumor in 2024 that has resulted in more surgery and treatment; even so, doctors say the tumor could return. In a meeting with front-line workers, Rebecca, who married and had one son after the bombing, expressed her faith in God and requested prayer for her total healing from these physical challenges.

Click here to find out about Christian persecution in Sri Lanka and learn how to pray.

Federal Officers Arrest 40 on Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket

This is not the first time that ICE has been on the Vineyard. Last September the agency said it arrested a Salvadoran man who was wanted for “crimes against humanity” and a Brazilian man wanted for international drug trafficking.
But the operation was much larger than in the past, where no more than a handful of individuals were arrested.
Rumors had been swirling around the Vineyard earlier in the year about a potential ICE raid, causing concern in the Island’s immigrant population.

Obama and John Kerry have estates there. Hitting wealthy Democrats in the pocketbook is not going to be taken lightly by some.

Trump erupts when asked about 'TACO trade' ― a new nickname mocking his tariff approach

WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump is no fan of an emerging nickname on Wall Street mocking his on-again, off-again approach to tariffs.

Trump lashed out at a reporter on May 28 who asked for his response to financial analysts embracing a new term called "TACO trade." The acronym stands for "Trump always chickens out" ‒ a jab at the president's propensity to impose or threaten steep tariffs on imports, only to later back off.

Continued below.

Alpine village is largely destroyed when a Swiss glacier collapses


Thank goodness the government heeded the warnings of glaciologists and geologists and evacuated the village before the collapse.
  • Informative
Reactions: DaisyDay

Court strikes down most of Trump's tariffs, ruling them illegal


A federal court on Wednesday froze most of the sweeping tariffs imposed by President Trump on virtually every foreign nation, ruling the levies exceed the president's legal authority.
The ruling — issued by a panel of judges on the U.S. Court of International Trade — halted the sweeping 10% tariffs Mr. Trump assessed on virtually every U.S. trading partner on "Liberation Day" last month, with higher tariffs threatened for dozens of countries. The court also blocked a separate set of tariffs imposed on China, Mexico and Canada by the Trump administration, which has cited drug trafficking and illegal immigration as its reasoning for the hikes.
Global markets rallied on the news.
The Trump administration has justified the tariffs by citing the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977, or IEEPA, which gives the president the power to regulate imports during certain emergency situations. But the court on Wednesday rejected the government's interpretation of the law, and said it would be unconstitutional for any law passed by Congress to give the president blanket authority to set tariffs.
"The court does not read IEEPA to confer such unbounded authority and sets aside the challenged tariffs imposed thereunder," the judges wrote Wednesday.
I feel like this was the plan all along - break stuff and cause chaos leading to financial ruin, then when that broken stuff gets fixed or the chaos mitigated by Congress\courts\or even CFIC (Convicted Felon In Chief) Trump TACOs causing a rebound, take credit for it like a savior.

and MAGA laps it up.

US trade court rules Trump overstepped his authority with global tariffs

A US federal court has ruled that President Donald Trump overstepped his authority by imposing global tariffs, in a major blow to a key part of his economic policies.

The Court of International Trade ruled that an emergency law invoked by the White House does not provide unilateral authority to impose tariffs on nearly every country.

The Manhattan-based court said the US Constitution gives Congress exclusive powers to regulate commerce with other nations and this is not superseded by the president's remit to safeguard the economy.

Within minutes of the ruling the Trump administration lodged an appeal.

The lawsuit, filed by the nonpartisan Liberty Justice Center on behalf of five small businesses that import goods from countries targeted by the duties, was the first major legal challenge to Trump's so-called "Liberation Day" tariffs.

Continued below.

Prayers for my stepson

UPDATE #2 (5/29): After he was discharged from the hospital he tracked down his car but refused to go home with his dad and realized he needed to get away from him. (Hallelujah, that's a eureka moment we've been waiting for). So now this morning he's en route to my wife's nephew in Dallas who works for Dallas PD. This nephew kinda knows what's going on with M, having seen him under the influence last Christmas apparently. So he's going to take care of M for a few days and then M I guess bought a plane ticket to come to us while he was still in the hospital. So he's coming to us and staying for at least a month, in the meantime we're going to try to detox him from more than just drugs, but also things like technology. If we don't take his iPhone away outright I may just cut the data. We're gonna see about connecting him with one of the brothers out at the Trappist monastery, cause I think the simplicity of Trappist life and spirituality may be a balm for M. Honestly we both wish he'd enter religious life but he has to overcome some stuff first (and actually discern it). So while he's here I'm gonna try to get him involved in a film production I'm directing and just surround him with stability as best as we can. Continued prayers would definitely be appreciated!



UPDATE: The hospital released him, all they found in his system was some pot. They said he was a "textbook case" of schizophrenia, gave him some meds and sent him on his way. This upset my wife because apparently this is a blow-by-blow repeat of a mental health episode her sister had several years ago. She ended up in the hospital because she was using some stuff that messed with her brain, but it was residual effects from prior usage. The hospital was just kinda dismissive and didn't actually help her. So now we're facing the same issue with my stepson.



I just got off the phone with my wife a few minutes ago, she's been gone all day taking her mom and sister to the airport (it's over an hour away from us). Anyway around the time she was due to head back she got a call from her son who was experiencing some kind of drug-induced psychotic episode.

I think everyone on here knows about my family situation but the short version is my wife had boy-girl twins in college, they're now almost 20, when we moved from NY to CA my stepdaughter decided to come with us and try going to college her while my stepson wanted to stay in NY and live with his grandparents. Since then his life has deteriorated, due to the influence of bad friends and his delinquent father he's gotten into drugs (first pot, then psychedelics like ketamine, mushrooms and possibly LSD).

He's broken my wife's heart time after time, with all these decisions, and yet despite all this he seems to be trying to counterbalance the bad with some good by being more proactive in faith. He went on a pilgrimage to Medjugorje last year (not that I think that's a good one but that's a conversation for another time). Anyway, her latest heartbreak involved the last-minute bombshell that he was going to move in with his deadbeat dad in Texas, whom we know/knew is just going to take advantage of him financially and lead him down the goat path of more drug use and immorality.

Then she got the call today. While he was on the phone with her he found a fire station, went in and the firefighters took him to the hospital. So at last check he's in a Houston-area hospital. We're not sure what our next steps are, it seems like he needs to go through some kind of rehab but we can't afford to put him through that. Supposedly before he took off and called my wife he got into some kind of altercation with his dad and threatened him. So safety is a question here too, I don't want him in my house when his sister and little brothers could be at risk, nor do I want to send him back to NY where my elderly in-laws could be at risk. But he's also definitely not in a good situation when his dad is his only family nearby and essentially his next of kin.

My wife's nephew works for Dallas PD so she may try to enlist his help somehow but we're not sure what he can do.

Anyway, that's the long and the short of it. If you could join me in prayers for my stepson. I don't want to give his name out, but you can just call him "M".

Thanks all.

Jesus be my friend instead of food

Shalom

Since childhood, food has been my best friend.

I pray that God will heal me from emotional eating and free me from sugar.

"With God nothing is impossible" Luke 1:37

And forgive me, Lord Jesus, for repeatedly wasting my last pennies on sweets instead of investing them in the Kingdom of God!

Thank you for your prayers, and God bless you in Jesus' name. Amen.

USCG releases video of moment Titan submersible imploded

US Coast Guard releases video of moment when Titan submersible imploded...


Bang!
Ms Rush - What was that bang?
Ms Rush - Drop two weights
Reply - Copy - Dropped two weights

Question - Did they have five seconds after the banging sound?

Leviticus 26 and 27 Final Chapters; "Obedience or Disobedience" it's a choice

Chapters 26 and 27 are the final chapters in the Book of Leviticus.

When we read these final chapters, what the LORD is saying is; IF…you follow my torat (teachings, laws) and faithfully observe my mitzvoth (commandments) I WILL…. It is ALL CONDITIONAL, there is nothing without a condition. If we want God’s blessings and good favor, we will follow HIS WORD, and accept HIS LIVING WORD (Yeshua) into our life. Yeshua said; “If you love me, ye will obey my commandments” not only the commandments that he spoke about during his life on earth, but also, the ones which he gave to Moshe when HE was with the FATHER as part of ELOHIM.

I must repeat this to avoid confusion and negative comments. We are NOT saved by obeying God's commandments, we are saved by FAITH and not by WORKS (which are the commandments) by the shed blood of Messiah Yeshua/Jesus Christ our LORD and Redeemer. However, we are saved UNTO good works, to obey and follow what God has written down in His Book by His chosen prophets. Of course, not all the 613 commandments can be followed today, But if we study and let the Holy Spirit guide us, we will learn what can be observed and what can not be followed

Blessings and curses are a part of life. The world calls them “good luck and bad luck” there is no such animal! All things that happen in our lives are a result of blessings, curses, and tests. Do we love our LORD and Savior, Messiah Yeshua? Then, follow HIS commandments (He even stated this) , not to bring us salvation, that we already have, but as a RESULT OF our salvation (Yeshuah) And if you haven’t accepted Yeshua (Jesus) as your LORD and Savior, and Messiah, NOW is the perfect time, remember, we are NOT promised tomorrow, we are only one HEART BEAT away from eternity.

Let’s look at the beginning of Chapter 26: “Do not make idols for yourselves and do not put up a carved image or a pillar for yourselves, and do not place a stone image in your land to bow down to it, for I am YHVH you Elohim. Guard my Shabbats and reverence (respect) my sanctuary, I am YHVH.
This is a repetition of two of the most important commandments that were given to us on Sinai. “us” being that all believers are part of the extended community of Israel which had its beginning there at the foot of Mt. Sinai about 3000 years ago.

Do we really go out and make ourselves idols? To bow down and worship? We would probably say “no”, yet what is an “idol”? It is anything that comes before our worship, service, and dedication to our ONE and Only God, Adonai-Elohim. Many people cease going to church or synagogue because “they don’t have time” or there are other distractions.

One can put so much importance on things like sports, jobs, making money, leisure, and relatives, that the things of God are left behind, if this is the case, then we ARE making for ourselves idols, and indirectly, we are bowing down and worshipping them. Better cease or our heavenly father just might “remove” that obstacle from our midst! Like it or not.

Another reason for not making idols and statutes of the so-called “likeness” of God is because that would be like reducing our LORD God, who is “everywhere” to fit inside of that “thing” that is made in that “so-called” likeness. We see all over, pictures of Yeshua (Jesus) in different forms, some have him knocking at the door, others have him as the “good shepherd” holding a lamb, and others just show a portrait. Others still have him hanging from the cross. Even though we might not bow down and worship these images, they are still “images” indeed, or so-called “likenesses” of what is supposed to be our “Messiah”. No, they are not carved images, yet they are still images, is it a good idea to have them? Only you can decide.

“Guard/keep my sabbaths” When we “guard” something, we make sure that the thing we are guarding is protected from violation. The sabbath day is a day to rest and come to worship our LORD and Savior. As Messianic believers we come to worship on Saturdays, The Sabbath day was never changed, it was and still is Saturday. Yeshua's followers got together the first day of the week to break bread (fellowship with a meal) as stated in Acts, but that doesn't mean that the Sabbath was changed. Sunday, the first day of the week is celebrated to remember the resurrection of the LORD, and to fellowship with other believers. Two important days to get together and study the WORD and worship with other believers. We can come to worship on Saturday or Sunday, or even “both” days, (which is even better).

Many families go out to eat on the weekends, so as to give the wife a day off, or two days off from cooking in the kitchen. That is a good thing. Another good thing to do is to visit others and share God’s word with them, especially with those who are bedridden and can not leave home.

“Reverence my sanctuary” How is that done? When we go to worship, how do we go? In what frame of mind? Are the cell phones turned off? Are we dressed for the occasion? If the president of your country invited you to dine with him, how would you go dressed? In beach clothes or in a suit and tie? I am sure you would dress with the best you have. You are going to meet with the KING of kings and LORD of Lords, with “your creator” the one you will spend eternity with.

Are your kids in check? Or are they running up and down the hallway looking for the bathroom? Is there idle conversation while the message is being taught? Or are all eyes and ears on the pastor/teacher/rabbi? We can either “show reverence/respect/honor” to our place of worship, or we can show “lack of” the choice is ours.

The end of chapter 27 is on vows and promises. What is God saying here through Moses? If we vow something to the LORD, or promise something, like ourselves for a certain period, or some "thing" like a car, bus, or truck, for the LORD's work, we should make good on our promise. Yet Yeshua says that we should NOT vow, being that we do not know the future. That our YES be YES or NO be NO, or "If God allows me... I would like to...."

In these two final chapters, we see that there are more "curses" than "blessings" These affected Israel. We know the story, Israel turned to idolatry, and thus, received the curses and was cast out of the promised land. Yet God did NOT forget HIS people, He received them again, forgave their transgression, and, as Isaiah put it;

"Who ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Is a country born in one day? Is a nation brought forth all at once? For as soon as Tziyon went into labor, she brought forth her children." (66:3)

May 14th, 1948. Israel became a nation once again. We can see that the blessings and curses were directed towards Israel and Israel's way of life; agriculture, livestock, living in the land, being guarded against the enemies, physical and emotional health, etc... Yet we can see even in simple things, obedience to God's laws or even man's laws, can bring blessings, and disobedience, can bring curses. Stop at the red light, and be blessed. Go through a red light, receive the curse, and either get hit or get fined.

So, to obey or disobey, that decision is ours. So, obey the LORD, honor His WORD, and love the LIVING WORD, and reap blessings.

my experience

I tried opening up emotionally last week (I have high functioning Asperger's, BTW) and I just experienced intense fear and grief. Mostly related to climate change and climate grief, and the possibility of having to decide to move in the future to set up a new life (I live in Florida and the summers keep getting longer and more intense). This lead to a series of mystical experiences (I felt Christ's death, I experienced a sense of a wounding also... it was a human death, without any sense of piety, and it was full of gut-wrenching sadness and horror). And I had promptings after this that lead to do Bible study and research online, culminating in meditating on the story of Thomas in the Gospel of John. And when I realized what it meant through Thomas's eyes, it completely rocked my world. Because it was so different from how I had been taught in church, in a moralistic way. Let's just say sometimes peace and joy comes wrapped in shock and awe. This was how the early apostles must have experienced Jesus' resurrection.

After this, I perceived something ripping at me with icy claws. Then it tried attacking my mind. But I was so shook up, I became dissociated and fearful. I continued to feel that my house wasn't safe. But my partner didn't believe me... until I ended up going to the hospital for some ativan and said "this is so strange, it feels almost like a church in here". Then I realized, there was something bad in my house, and I tried to reach out to the local Catholic diocese but never got an answer back. But I did get in touch with a small Independent Catholic congregation that meets at our UCC church, and the priest and the deacon from that congregation came and blessed my home, and the evil presence went away.

Parts of the experience I had lead me to do some strange things, too. I remember getting mad at God at one point because I never wanted these experiences in the first place, and I prayed to get help dealing with them and find healing. I did some things like walk around barefoot outdoors, touch plants, look at trees, or sit and pray barefoot in churches. And we had some other strange things happen, too, around us, coincidences that seemed unlikely, or it seemed like we would receive messages from Jesus on what to do, or answers to prayers.

I have talked to my own pastor, who was bewildered by my story and perhaps afraid for my sanity at first, as well as the Independent Catholic priest that sometimes holds mass at our church, but the best help I got was from a United Methodist pastor- she told me about spiritual warfare. It was a relief to have somebody actually hear my story and believe it. But I am still trying to hold all this stuff lightly, alot of it is very bewildering and alot to take in.

Hostage says Hamas wanted Kamala Harris to win and that they fear Trump

Hamas undoubtedly loves western liberals who have extravagantly funded their operations and made their leaders filthy-rich.

  • Agree
Reactions: Vambram

Revelation Disproves Rapture

I find belief in a “rapture,” separate from the Second Coming, baffling. No verse in the Bible says anything about God removing His people from a world where political events are still taking place. Where would we expect to find evidence of a “rapture”? The Book of Revelation is the most Apocalyptic book in the Bible, so we would expect to find it there. While Revelation makes no mention of anyone being “raptured,” it does say that there are martyrs in heaven.

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls
of those who had been slain because of the word of God and
the testimony they had maintained.

They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord,
holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and
avenge our blood?”
Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were
told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow-

servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been
was completed.

Revelation 6: 9-11 NIV

Revelation tells us that martyrs in heaven are “under the altar,” under God’s protection. Further, more martyrs continue to arrive in heaven and the newcomers have the same status as all the martyrs of the past.

In Revelation 19:11-14 we find the Second Coming, the return of Jesus Christ, accompanied by a heavenly army.

Re. 19:11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white

horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he
judges and makes war.

Re. 19:12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many
crowns. He has a name written on him that no-one knows but
he himself.
Re. 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the

Word of God.
Re. 19:14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white
horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.

Who are these “armies of heaven”? Believers in a “rapture” assume that they are the raptured, those “taken” off the earth by God to protect them from the Tribulation. What does the scripture say?

The 144,000 are first mentioned in Revelation chapter 7. The enumeration of the 144,000 is given in verse 3 to verse 8. God’s grace is not limited to the 144,000. In verse 9 we are told that a “great multitude that no one could count, from every nation” are standing before the Throne of God.

Who are the 144,000, and the great multitude?

Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes —
who are they, and where did they come from?”
I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they
who have come out of the great tribulation;
they have washed
their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 7: 13-14 NIV

Both the 144,000 and the rest of the “great multitude” came “out of the great tribulation.” This certainly tells us that they did not avoid persecution, or tribulation. They went through it. They came to heaven as martyrs, or perhaps they endured persecution and died of natural causes, but they went through tribulation. The 144,000 appear again in Revelation 14.

Re. 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing

on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and
his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

Re. 14:2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing
waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was
like that of harpists playing their harps.
Re. 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the
four living creatures and the elders. No-one could learn the
song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the
earth.
Re. 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women,
for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb
wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men

and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Revelation 14:1-4

Here we are told that the Lamb, Christ, is on Mt. Zion with with the 144,000. When the 144,000 are introduced in chapter 7, they are in heaven. Then in Chapter 14, Jesus is on Mt. Zion after the Second Coming and the 144,000 are with Him. It looks like they are the army that accompanies Jesus when He returns as Judge. Revelation 14 is preview of what happens after the return of Christ in Revelation 19.

Those who are in the “army” that returns with Jesus are not the “raptured” but martyrs and others who came out of the Tribulation.



What happens on Mt. Zion? For insights from the Old Testament, see Post 2.

Filter

Forum statistics

Threads
5,874,665
Messages
65,352,655
Members
276,164
Latest member
Zaxter