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Are you sure that they're anti vax or do they just have reservations about his particular vaccine.
And ultimately that's what you should be doing.
When you are surrounded by two hundred or so loved ones who are anti vax, it is easy to be hesitant. I do not know the right answer here.
Well fortunately for you, I do know the right answer... you should tell them, in no uncertain terms, that what they're doing is wrong. If they're members of your church, then you should walk away from that church, because what the pastor is teaching is wrong. You're not supposed to be a member of a club, or a social group, first and foremost, you're supposed to be a Christian... even when it's hard. In fact, especially when it's hard. Show me that you can do that, that you can be a Christian, even when it's hard to be a Christian. Then perhaps, I'll actually believe that you are one.
I've been a Christian longer than you've been alive. Any fool can call themselves a Christian, and a great many do. But a name means nothing. Because it's not what one calls oneself that matters, it's how one lives that matters, and that's a lesson that I'm afraid you'll never learn.You have to be a Christian first to understand what that really means.
I agree. Though I have been arguing for vaccination in these threads, ... I think that, at the end of the day, we ... as a society ... must listen to each other to solve our differences.I think both sides need to listen to one another as to the concerns of the vaccination. I had genuine concerns about taking it.
I believe that it should be recognized that many (likely a majority) of christians ... have gotten the vaccination. It just happens to be the case that a minority of American christians (plus others) ... are currently resisting receiving the vaccine.I'll continue to wear this cross around my neck, as I have for forty-six years now. But I'll also continue to be reticent about calling myself a Christian. Because I've seen what Christians can do, and in spite of them, there are still some Christian principles that I won't abandon.
Not quite so dramatic as smallpox, but more recently there have been outbreaks of measles. It tends to happen (naturally) in communities with lower vaccination rates, such as among orthodox Jews, the Amish, and the hippy-dippy liberal granola-eaters of Marin County, California.
Fortunately, these outbreaks cause communities to reconsider their stance. Since that story above from 2015, the measles vaccination rate for kindergarteners in Marin County has risen to 94%, the highest ever. "The lowest rate recorded in Marin was in 2011 at 77.9 percent."
Unfortunately, some would use this fact as an argument against vaccinations, when it's anything but. It's an argument for diligence and vigilance and persistence. We fight today, even when the foe seems insignificant, because what we're protecting isn't today, we're protecting tomorrow.Outbreaks also happen among the fully vaccinated as well, to be fair:
The problem is...we never know when the next time is going to be. And we never know if what we're failing to do today is going to allow it to happen. So there are times when you can't simply remain silent. It may seem like the kindest thing to do, but you may someday find that it wasn't the right thing to do.As I look over the situation we have facing us today regarding the question of vaccination against the pandemic, ... I think that we (as a society) are left with the question ... of how we might prepare for a better outcome ... the next time.
It should also be recognized that they are doing so, ... in some level of opposition to the teachings of christianity. They are acting more as Americans (where freedom is the guiding principle) ... than as christians (where love is the guiding principle).
It is a bit of a dilemma ...
Measles is highly contagious, with an R value approaching 10.Outbreaks also happen among the fully vaccinated as well, to be fair:
Measles Outbreak among Vaccinated High School Students -- Illinois
Measles outbreak in a fully immunized secondary-school population - PubMed
Fourteen of 74 seronegative students, all of whom had been vaccinated, contracted measles. In addition, three seronegative students seroconverted without experiencing any symptoms. We conclude that outbreaks of measles can occur in secondary schools, even when more than 99 percent of the students have been vaccinated and more than 95 percent are immune.
Seattle Nurse Contracts Measles from Patient — Despite Being Fully Vaccinated
"A Seattle nurse contracted the measles after caring for a patient with the highly contagious virus, despite being fully vaccinated and wearing protective equipment, health officials confirmed on Monday.
The nurse, who is in her 20s, was working at Seattle Children’s Hospital and tending to a young patient with measles when she developed the infection. The hospital says that she was potentially contagious while working from July 8 through 11."
Harvard-Westlake students were vaccinated. Dozens caught whooping cough anyway
Nearly 50 students at Harvard-Westlake School have been recently diagnosed with whooping cough, in an outbreak that has forced school officials to send students home at the first sign of illness.
But all of the sick students had been vaccinated against the disease.
No, immunity is what keeps small outbreaks small. Regardless of source.Measles is highly contagious, with an R value approaching 10.
Vaccination is what keeps these small outbreaks ... from becoming pandemics ...
Or much, much more likely, 30 or 40 years ago they got vaccinated.Mom and Dad can take care of a kid who gets it precisely because 30 or 40 years ago, they had measles and are immune for life.
Well, depends on how far you go back, how old the parent is, etc. You do realize that pretty much everyone born before the seventies got all the normal childhood diseases, right?Or much, much more likely, 30 or 40 years ago they got vaccinated.
Yes, but you specifically said 30 to 40 years, in which case one's parents are far, far more likely to have gotten a measles vaccination, than to have actually gotten the measles.Well, depends on how far you go back,
Lifelong natural immunity v. vaccine immunity that needs shots every few years? No contest. Of course the real immunity is better. We cannot do better than an effective immune system that God created.Yes, but you specifically said 30 to 40 years, in which case one's parents are far, far more likely to have gotten a measles vaccination, than to have actually gotten the measles.
But I can't help but wonder, do you believe that actually getting the measles is preferable to getting vaccinated? If so, why?
Except that the measles vaccine is good for life, so that argument doesn't fly.Lifelong natural immunity v. vaccine immunity that needs shots every few years? No contest.
Except that the measles vaccine is good for life, so that argument doesn't fly.
Wanna try again?
You do realize that in 1968 a new vaccine was developed, so the above quote refers to an earlier version of the vaccine, not the one in use today, or the one in use during the 30-40 year time frame to which you originally referred."By the way, it's a lot cheaper to just get the shot. So people who were vaccinated from 1963 to 1968 -- that needs to happen."
No, immunity is what keeps small outbreaks small. Regardless of source.
Mom and Dad can take care of a kid who gets it precisely because 30 or 40 years ago, they had measles and are immune for life.
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